Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help 'de Faria' (Sao Pedro, Faial)

[Shirley Allegre]

Sam this is how I read that record:

Jose
(Jose Francisco X Rosa Jacinta)
Natives Nossa Senhora de Ajuda -Pedro Miguel.
PATERNAL
Jose Francisco X Thereza Ignacia
MATERNAL
Domingos Luis X Maria Jacinta
DOB:  9 March 1825
BAPT:  13 March 1825
GODPARENTS
Antonio Garcia X Felicia? Jacinta

That is all that I can figure out.Shirley in CA
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  The record is top left side for my 2nd ggrandfather.  Jose Francisco de 
Faria.  Note this record does not give his father’s surname of Faria but; all 
else jives with what I already have on him.  If anyone could verify that what I 
have translated is correct and fill in the missing blanks I would be most 
grateful of your help.  Sam in NC

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1806-1826/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1806-1826_item1/P169.html

  Jose, son of Jose Francisco and of his wife, Rosa Jacinta ??. parish of this 
parish of Nossa Senora de Ajuda, place of Pedro Miguel, grandson of Jose 
Francisco and of Thereza Ignacia. Maternal grandson of ??? Luis and of Marianna 
Ignacia. Born on the 9th day of the month of March eighteen hundred twenty five 
(1825) and was baptized  ???   13 day of the same month and year.   
godfather Antonio Garcia and his wife,  Jacinta.   Padre ?? Vieira 
???   day, month as above.

  Priest: Francisco de Borba da Silveria ???





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help 'de Faria' (Sao Pedro, Faial)

[aportugee via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Diane;  Actually, it was me that mis-translated the Mariana Ignacia.  Edna 
read the same as you did, Maria Jacintha which indeed fits with what I have for 
this line.  Yippee, it seems I’ve found another record for my line.  Thanks so 
much to you both, Sam in NC






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help 'de Faria' (Sao Pedro, Faial)

[Diane George]

Edna,

 

The only one I can get clearly that is different from what you have is the
maternal grandmother, Maria Jacintha, not Mariana Ignacia. 

 

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Edna Epps
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:08 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help 'de Faria' (Sao Pedro,
Faial)

 

I think this says that they are natives  of this parish.  I think the
Maternal Grandparents are Domingos Luis and Maria Jacintha.   You have most
of it right.   where it says he was baptized I think that is the priest's
name (?)   I think the Godmother's first name may be Felicia Jacinta.  Those
are my thoughts, but I'm just learning too.;)

Edna
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Joshua 10:14 "And there was no day like that before it or after it where the
Lord listened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel"



 

On Jul 12, 2014, at 2:37 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> > wrote:





The record is top left side for my 2nd ggrandfather.  Jose Francisco de
Faria.  Note this record does not give his father's surname of Faria but;
all else jives with what I already have on him.  If anyone could verify that
what I have translated is correct and fill in the missing blanks I would be
most grateful of your help.  Sam in NC

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-18
06-1826/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1806-1826_item1/P169.html

Jose, son of Jose Francisco and of his wife, Rosa Jacinta ??. parish of this
parish of Nossa Senora de Ajuda, place of Pedro Miguel, grandson of Jose
Francisco and of Thereza Ignacia. Maternal grandson of ??? Luis and of
Marianna Ignacia. Born on the 9th day of the month of March eighteen hundred
twenty five (1825) and was baptized ???   13 day of the same month
and year.   godfather Antonio Garcia and his wife,  Jacinta. 
 Padre ?? Vieira ???   day, month as above.

Priest: Francisco de Borba da Silveria ???

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Synagogue Ponta Delgada

[Barbara Bluhm]

Thank you for your reply, regret the synagogue is not open but will visit 
street and outside of building. Barbara Pacheco Bluhm

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:10:37 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:
>
> The Synagogue is under construction works… it will not be opened for some 
> time!
>
>  
>
> *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *Em nome de *Barbara Bluhm
> *Enviada:* quinta-feira, 10 de Julho de 2014 00:07
> *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Synagogue Ponta Delgada
>
>  
>
> Hello, does anyone know if the restoration of the Synagogue in Ponta 
> Delgada is open to the public. My husband and I will be visiting Ponta 
> Delgada Sept. My Azores family is all Catholic, Faial and Rosario Lagos, my 
> husband is Jewish. I will be visiting the churches where my grandmothers 
> and grandfathers were Baptised and Married, I would also like to document 
> the architecture and history of the Jewish population Ponta Delgada and 
> Faial. I'm wondering what  their trade was and how the Jewish population 
> fit in with the Catholic population, Thanks, Barbara Bluhm
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Family Finder results

[Antonio Faria]

Hi Isabella 

Do you mind sharing your myOrigins percentages? I am just curious because 
of anthropological interests I have posted mine. Are you entirely of 
Terceira ancestry?

Antonio

On Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:57:18 AM UTC-7, Isabella Baltar wrote:
>
> I finally have my results on Family Finder, pretty exciting to see all the 
> possibilities that opened with the test. I have only one 2nd/4th cousin 
> from who I believe is from Terceira Island and from this group. I sent an 
> email to this one. All the other results are in the 3rd/5th group. 
>
> After waiting to a match come up on my mtDNA for more than one year and 
> still waiting on that, it is great news to focus on other branches of my 
> family.
>
> Looking forward hearing from others that may fit my tree.
>
> Isabella Baltar
> myportuguesegen.blogspot.com
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>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: A question about Pai Incognito

[Kalani N]

I spent many years researching the Philippines and the records (in Spanish) 
had the same exact term.  And in my own family I saw my 2x 
great-grandmother having lots of children without her husband around, and 
then I found a marriage record at a later date, then saw all of their 
children's baptism carrying their father's name as well as their father 
being listed.  I realized then, and understand the confusion with my own 
great-grandmother having being baptized with her mother's surname but was 
known only with her father's surname.

According to what I was told by a historian, it had to do with economics 
and when they could afford to get married, they would. This explained why 
in the church records for my grandmother's town a lot of people would get 
married on the same dates.

Kalani

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:57:37 PM UTC-7, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
> I have had the opportunity to work on lines in the Azores and Southern 
> France (not Portuguese...LOL)  I noticed something that made me wonder 
> about terms.  In France, there is an equivalent to Pai Incognito.  It 
> escapes me at this moment, but it isn't important.  It means the same thing 
> that the father is unknown.But, you almost equally see "fil naturel" or 
> something similar.  This means the child was born to an unmarried couple.  
> It is followed by the name of the father and the mother.   The father 
> claims his children in this case.
>
> I learned from other French researchers that up through the mid 1800s 
> (maybe later), many couples could not afford to pay the necessary fees at 
> the civil and church level.  Instead, they set up house and started their 
> family as if they were married.  They would save up money and then when 
> they could afford it, they would go do the necessary things to be 
> officially married.  In these cases you always saw the children baptized as 
> fil naturel and with the father's name given.  It was not an uncommon 
> practice amongst the poor. I have a couple in my tree in the 1780s.  It is 
> a little peculiar when you find the baptismals then 5-10 years later you 
> find the marriage.
>
> This made me wonder about the Pai Incognitos in the Azorean records that I 
> have found.  Was there a similar thing in the Azorean culture?  Did couples 
> who were poor start their families without an official marriage or was this 
> something specific to France--or maybe even Southern France where my Dad's 
> line hails from?  
>
> I really started to wonder about it after working on my cousin's Raposo 
> line.  Her great grandmother had at least two children where the father was 
> Pai Incognito and her great great grandmother also had at least two 
> children where the father was Pai Incognito.   I don't recall seeing 
> multiple Pai Incognitos in one family, and with mother and daughter, though 
> I guess I haven't really looked that hard since it wasn't in my direct line.
>
> Interested to know what others think.  I have very little knowledge of 
> Azorean culture during the 1700 and 1800s.
>
> Thanks 
> Mel
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help 'de Faria' (Sao Pedro, Faial)

[aportugee via Azores Genealogy]

Edna;  Thank you for your help.  I will go back and compare what you say below 
to the record.  


Anyone else who would like to offer their expertise on this one?


Again, many thanks, Sam in NC




I think this says that they are natives  of this parish.  I think the Maternal 
Grandparents are Domingos Luis and Maria Jacintha.   You have most of it right. 
  where it says he was baptized I think that is the priest's name (?)   I think 
the Godmother's first name may be Felicia Jacinta.  Those are my thoughts, but 
I'm just learning too.;)



Edna
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Lord listened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel"




On Jul 12, 2014, at 2:37 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:





The record is top left side for my 2nd ggrandfather.  Jose Francisco de Faria.  
Note this record does not give his father’s surname of Faria but; all else 
jives with what I already have on him.  If anyone could verify that what I have 
translated is correct and fill in the missing blanks I would be most grateful 
of your help.  Sam in NC

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1806-1826/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1806-1826_item1/P169.html

Jose, son of Jose Francisco and of his wife, Rosa Jacinta ??. parish of this 
parish of Nossa Senora de Ajuda, place of Pedro Miguel, grandson of Jose 
Francisco and of Thereza Ignacia. Maternal grandson of ??? Luis and of Marianna 
Ignacia. Born on the 9th day of the month of March eighteen hundred twenty five 
(1825) and was baptized ???   13 day of the same month and year.   
godfather Antonio Garcia and his wife,  Jacinta.   Padre ?? Vieira 
???   day, month as above.

Priest: Francisco de Borba da Silveria ???






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[AZORES-Genealogy] TOLEDO from Terceira

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Good Morning :) !

 

Does anyone have the surname TOLEDO  (Toledo dos Santos or Santos Toledo)
from Quatro Ribeiras?

 

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

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