Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ships manifest from Porto, Portugal to Brazil around October 1911

[Isabella Baltar]

Carolyn,

I looked quickly for Vitorino Reixelo and I found Vitorino J Reixello in
São Paulo, Brazil, in 1948. I believe it is him, too much of a coincidence
not to be him. You are lucky!

At least you have a starting point now. I can send you the pdf; it is not a
ship manifest. Please send me a private email and I will answer to you.

Isabella Baltar
myportuguesegen.blogspot.com



On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Isabella Baltar 
wrote:

> Carolyn,
>
> I'm wondering if you have the correct last name for Vitorino or Antonio. I
> never heard  Reixelo, if it is correct, it is very uncommon. Do you have
> any original document where you read that? Like a passport? Being uncommon,
> it will be easier.
>
> Another question, do you know the destination of Vitorino in Brazil? The
> Brazilian cost is huge and Portuguese people had many destinations ports.
>
> Isabella Baltar
> myportuguesegen.blogspot.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Carolyn M 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> “E”
>>
>>   I and a couple of my cousins have family trees on Ancestry.com and we
>> have my grandfather Antonio Reixelo listed.  The family you spotted coming
>> from Hawaii on the S.S. Sonoma is my grandfather and his family; we have
>> that on our family trees too.
>>
>>   What we don’t have is a ships manifest showing Vitorino de Jesus
>> Reixelo (Antonio’s brother) who left Porto in or around October 1911 for
>> Brazil .  This manifest is what I am hoping to find.  It appears that
>> Ancestry.com doesn't have this type of ship manifest information, not even
>> in the card catalog.  So I will focus on Brazil and the Brazil links that
>> have been so kindly provided.
>>
>>   Thanks for your research!
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:20:29 PM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>> Carolyn,
>>>
>>> Someone has a family tree, pictures, etc. on Ancestry.co.uk  for this
>>> Antonio Reixelo, Birth 4 Jul 1876 in Lavandeira, Portugal died in
>>> California.  His father's name was Luis Reixelo.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>> ​
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:11 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
 ​
 Carolyn,

 Nothing on Ancestry that I found.  My family for some reason sailed
 from Buenos Aires to England many times and that is how I found them.

 I checked the one site I sent to you but the name does not show up in
 searching by surname.  However, when I put my family surname in there it
 did not show up but I had an idea of the date when she applied and I found
 it by going through the dates.  If you have some idea of the date of
 travel, try this avenue also.  If all else fails, you can all contact
 Arquivo Nacional Torre do Tombo in Lisbon via email  *antt.dglab.gov.pt
   *and they will check it out for you for a
 fee.  You do not have to pay the fee if they do not find it, at least that
 is how is was when they searched for me.  They found many records, birth,
 marriage, death,  for me in the past. Now I do that myself on Joao
 Ventura's great etombo site.   ​

 I found a family of 8 spelled Reixello, father Antonio,  from Portugal
 (2 younger children born in Maui) sailing from Hawaii to San Francisco
 aboard the S. S. Sonoma Feb. 1919.  Maybe they are related?  It does not
 say where in Portugal they are from.  In the 1940 US census the names in
 spelled Rexelle.

 In the meantime, I will text my cousin in Brazil and ask him if he can
 find it.

 "E"

 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Carolyn, carolynmoroney at gmail.com
>
> Isabella,
>
> Thank you for all the information and links.  I will start to look
> through them, and will get back to you.
>
> Carolyn
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:27 AM, Carolyn M 
> wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> Through postings made here back in August of 2013, I found out about
>> etombo.com, and tombopt.  From there I was able to find the actual
>> photocopy of my grandfather's passport, which was in the Braganca 
>> District
>> Archives.  I was thrilled to say the least!  I will check out this new 
>> link
>> for Porto.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Carolyn
>>
>> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:32:37 PM UTC-4, Carolyn M wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to know if anyone knows of any online records of ships
>>> manifests leaving Porto, Portugal to Brazil?
>>>
>>> My great-uncle left Porto bound for Brazil on or around October
>>> 1911, but I don't know the name of the ship.
>>>
>>> I also posted this to the Portuguese Genealogy Board, but I'm not
>>> sure it ever got through.  This is my first post, and I want to thank 
>>> you
>>> all for being here!
>>>
>>> Any information regarding the manifest would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>  --
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico da Pedra up on CCA

[Joe Matias]

Thanx Pam,thats one  of the areas I need!

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Pico da Pedra records are online on CCA site for those who have ancestors
> from there.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, Graciosa

[JR]

Do you have this 
marriage: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1702-1741/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1702-1741_item1/P62.html

Antonio Lobau filho de Manoel Fernandes Miranda e Ines Gomes desta 
fraguesia cc Felipa Espinola filha de Rafael Espinola defunto e Maria 
Novais desta fraguesia, May 4- 1726 in NS da Luz Lugar do Sul

JR

On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:08:28 PM UTC-4, Lee wrote:
>
> JR,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I've started looking children with mother 
> named Dona Maria and so far there is only one couple with matching names.
>
> Still frustrating though!  Her name in the baptisms is only given (so far) 
> as Dona Maria snd no other name so think the s is the couple, but still 
> looking.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Lee
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, Graciosa

[Lee]

JR,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I've started looking children with mother named 
Dona Maria and so far there is only one couple with matching names.

Still frustrating though!  Her name in the baptisms is only given (so far) as 
Dona Maria snd no other name so think the s is the couple, but still looking.

Thanks again!

Lee

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, Graciosa

[JR]

Have you considered since she was a Dona, that she is likely the daughter 
of an important person, such as Capitao or Sargento, or any other officer 
or title such as morgado. Also note that her mother was likely also a Dona.

JR

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:03:42 PM UTC-4, Lee wrote:
>
> I'm hoping someone in the group has "run across" this couple in their 
> research (or has them in the tree already.
>  
> Their daughter Maria do Sacramento was married on October 30, 1752 in Luz, 
> Graciosa (link  below) to Antonio Labao Botelho, son of Antonio Lobau 
> Beotelho and Felipa Espinlao of Luz.
>  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P41.html
>  
> The problem that I'm having is that in the marriage record, Maria do 
> Sacramento's mother is only give has Dona Maria, defunto.no second 
> name!  I have no clue who here mother was/is.
>  
> I have searched through the baptism of Sao Mateus and I there are several 
> Joao de Conde's with a wife named Maria - all in the same time period.  I 
> have no way of telling which couple is her parents.
>  
> I'm just "throwing" this out there in hopes that someone may recognize 
> them - wishful thinking on my part, of course
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Lee Estep,
> Oak Hill, West Virginia
>  
>  
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, Graciosa

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Thank you Bill. This is one of the big issues looking in Graciosa: every name 
looks alike :). 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Enviada: quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 05:06
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, 
Graciosa

 

Lee and Eliseu,

 

Many of my Conde family is from Guadalupe, but some originated in Luz.  The 
closest I have is a João de Sousa do Conde, married to Maria Custódia.  I have 
the marriage for their son's marriage (Andre de Sousa do Conde to Rosa 
Ermelinda do Conde.)

 

Here is the record:

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1886-1893/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1886-1893_item1/P73.html
 

 

 

I haven't gone further back, but looking at the dates, it just doesn't match up 
to your João and Maria

 

I haven't found a home for this João yet, but I have him in my personal index.  
Two Conde children died in the same year, one 9 years and the other 8 months 
(both in the month of November of 1861).  Their maternal grandfather is a João 
Jose do Conde, but his wife is Roza de Mello Pacheco.  Here is the first record 
if you are interested.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-O-1860-1868/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-O-1860-1868_item1/P20.html

 

 

Good luck!

 

Bill

 

 


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From: Eliseu Pacheco da Silva mailto:eliseuman...@gmail.com> >
To: azores@googlegroups.com   
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, 
Graciosa

 

Hi Lee!

 

… many names look alike mine, but no luck at all! I have been looking for yours 
but found none linking to mine.

Would you like to be invited to be part of my web page for you may look by 
yourself?

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” 

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

(   http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

 

 

De:   azores@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Lee
Enviada: domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2014 23:04
Para: azores@googlegroups.com  
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, 
Graciosa

 

Eliseu

 

The following is what I have for my cousin Nadine's line to Joao de Conde and 
Maria:

 

 - Nadine Mendence (changed from Mendonca) 1957 md Dave Hill (my cousin)

- Albert Mendence (1923) still living - hoping he will consent to do the DNA 
testing.  He is the oldest member of his line. m. Mildred Tonini (1925-1999)

- Frank Mendence 1797-1944 m. Maria Laureano ((1904-1991) from Ilha Sao Jorge

- Joao Correa de Mendonca (12.28.1861-6.24.1923) from Luz, Graciosa - m. 
Adelaide Augusta Andrade (1868-1933) from Faial - Married abt 1886 (marriage 
record not found yet)

- Antonio Correa de Mendonca (6.20.1820-??) m. Maria Perpetua da Santo Antonio 
(no dates yet) - from Luz

 Married 9.15.1856 in Luz

- Florinda Baptista de Bettencourt (Abt 1780-10.23.1825) m. Francisco Antonio 
de Meneonca (1785-??)

 Married 1.16.1814 in Luz

- Maria Baptista de Bettencourt (4.29.1757-??) m. Domingos Jose de Bettencourt 
(5.1741-After 1823?)

 Married 11.3.1793 in Luz

- Maria do Sacramento (abt 1729-4.5.1789) m. Antonio Lobao Botelho 10.30.1752 
in Luz. (he was the son of Antonio Lobao Botelho and Felipa Espinola)

 Maria's parents are given as Joao de Conde and Dona Maria ?? in the 
marriage record link I enclosed earlier.

 

There was a confusion earlier; that I had he wrong Antonio Lobao (I had the 
priest Father Antonio Lobao Botelho)...there were three of them with the same 
name alive at the same time...the priest, and the father and son (the elder 
Antono Lobao died 7.1750 in Luz and the son died 1.9.1758 - they had his age 
terribly incorrect - which caused headaches too. 

 

Hopefully, I haven't confused you with the above.  Please let me know if you 
need any further information - or there may be yet another Antonio I don't know 
about!

 

Lee

 

 

 


On Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:09:00 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

I do have some Lobão Botelho ancestors from Luz, Graciosa… but found no way of 
linking to yours… are you sure of fathers and daughters?

 

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” 

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

(   http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

 

 

De: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Lee
Enviada: domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2014 17:04
Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
Assunto: [AZORES-Ge

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ships manifest from Porto, Portugal to Brazil around October 1911

[Cheri Mello]

Carolyn,

Ancestry is really American-centric.  They really don't have much for other
countries outside of America.  The countries they do have seem to be
English speaking (Canada, the UK).

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, Graciosa

['Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy]

Lee and Eliseu,

Many of my Conde family is from Guadalupe, but some originated in Luz.  The 
closest I have is a João de Sousa do Conde, married to Maria Custódia.  I have 
the marriage for their son's marriage (Andre de Sousa do Conde to Rosa 
Ermelinda do Conde.)

Here is the record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1886-1893/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1886-1893_item1/P73.html


I haven't gone further back, but looking at the dates, it just doesn't match up 
to your João and Maria

I haven't found a home for this João yet, but I have him in my personal index.  
Two Conde children died in the same year, one 9 years and the other 8 months 
(both in the month of November of 1861).  Their maternal grandfather is a João 
Jose do Conde, but his wife is Roza de Mello Pacheco.  Here is the first record 
if you are interested.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-O-1860-1868/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-O-1860-1868_item1/P20.html


Good luck!

Bill
 


>
> From: Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
>To: azores@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:32 PM
>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, 
>Graciosa
> 
>
>
>Hi Lee!
> 
>… many names look alike mine, but no luck at all! I have been looking for 
>yours but found none linking to mine.
>Would you like to be invited to be part of my web page for you may look by 
>yourself?
>Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” 
>Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
>( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
> 
> 
> 
>De:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Lee
>Enviada:domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2014 23:04
>Para: azores@googlegroups.com
>Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, 
>Graciosa
> 
>Eliseu
> 
>The following is what I have for my cousin Nadine's line to Joao de Conde and 
>Maria:
> 
> - Nadine Mendence (changed from Mendonca) 1957 md Dave Hill (my cousin)
>- Albert Mendence (1923) still living - hoping he will consent to do the DNA 
>testing.  He is the oldest member of his line. m. Mildred Tonini (1925-1999)
>- Frank Mendence 1797-1944 m. Maria Laureano ((1904-1991) from Ilha Sao Jorge
>- Joao Correa de Mendonca (12.28.1861-6.24.1923) from Luz, Graciosa - m. 
>Adelaide Augusta Andrade (1868-1933) from Faial - Married abt 1886 (marriage 
>record not found yet)
>- Antonio Correa de Mendonca (6.20.1820-??) m. Maria Perpetua da Santo Antonio 
>(no dates yet) - from Luz
> Married 9.15.1856 in Luz
>- Florinda Baptista de Bettencourt (Abt 1780-10.23.1825) m. Francisco Antonio 
>de Meneonca (1785-??)
> Married 1.16.1814 in Luz
>- Maria Baptista de Bettencourt (4.29.1757-??) m. Domingos Jose de Bettencourt 
>(5.1741-After 1823?)
> Married 11.3.1793 in Luz
>- Maria do Sacramento (abt 1729-4.5.1789) m. Antonio Lobao Botelho 10.30.1752 
>in Luz. (he was the son of Antonio Lobao Botelho and Felipa Espinola)
> Maria's parents are given as Joao de Conde and Dona Maria ?? in the 
> marriage record link I enclosed earlier.
> 
>There was a confusion earlier; that I had he wrong Antonio Lobao (I had the 
>priest Father Antonio Lobao Botelho)...there were three of them with the same 
>name alive at the same time...the priest, and the father and son (the elder 
>Antono Lobao died 7.1750 in Luz and the son died 1.9.1758 - they had his age 
>terribly incorrect - which caused headaches too. 
> 
>Hopefully, I haven't confused you with the above.  Please let me know if you 
>need any further information - or there may be yet another Antonio I don't 
>know about!
> 
>Lee
> 
> 
> 
>
>On Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:09:00 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:
>I do have some Lobão Botelho ancestors from Luz, Graciosa… but found no way of 
>linking to yours… are you sure of fathers and daughters?
>> 
>> 
>>Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>>“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” 
>>Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
>>( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>De:azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Lee
>>Enviada: domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2014 17:04
>>Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
>>Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Conde and Maria ?? - Sao Mateus, Graciosa
>> 
>>I'm hoping someone in the group has "run across" this couple in their 
>>research (or has them in the tree already.
>> 
>>Their daughter Maria do Sacramento was married on October 30, 1752 in Luz, 
>>Graciosa (link  below) to Antonio Labao Botelho, son of Antonio Lobau 
>>Beotelho and Felipa Espinlao of Luz.
>> 
>>http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P41.html
>> 
>>The problem that I'm having is that in the marriage record, Maria do 
>>Sacramento's mother is only give has Dona Maria, defunto.no second name!  
>>I have no clue w

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ships manifest from Porto, Portugal to Brazil around October 1911

[Carolyn M]

“E”

  I and a couple of my cousins have family trees on Ancestry.com and we 
have my grandfather Antonio Reixelo listed.  The family you spotted coming 
from Hawaii on the S.S. Sonoma is my grandfather and his family; we have 
that on our family trees too.

  What we don’t have is a ships manifest showing Vitorino de Jesus Reixelo 
(Antonio’s brother) who left Porto in or around October 1911 for Brazil .  
This manifest is what I am hoping to find.  It appears that Ancestry.com 
doesn't have this type of ship manifest information, not even in the card 
catalog.  So I will focus on Brazil and the Brazil links that have been so 
kindly provided.

  Thanks for your research!

Carolyn

On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:20:29 PM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote:
>
> Carolyn,
>
> Someone has a family tree, pictures, etc. on Ancestry.co.uk  for this 
> Antonio Reixelo, Birth 4 Jul 1876 in Lavandeira, Portugal died in 
> California.  His father's name was Luis Reixelo.  
>
> "E"  
> ​
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:11 AM, "E" Sharp  > wrote:
>
>> ​
>> Carolyn,
>>
>> Nothing on Ancestry that I found.  My family for some reason sailed from 
>> Buenos Aires to England many times and that is how I found them.  
>>
>> I checked the one site I sent to you but the name does not show up in 
>> searching by surname.  However, when I put my family surname in there it 
>> did not show up but I had an idea of the date when she applied and I found 
>> it by going through the dates.  If you have some idea of the date of 
>> travel, try this avenue also.  If all else fails, you can all contact 
>> Arquivo Nacional Torre do Tombo in Lisbon via email  *antt.dglab.gov.pt 
>>   *and they will check it out for you for a 
>> fee.  You do not have to pay the fee if they do not find it, at least that 
>> is how is was when they searched for me.  They found many records, birth, 
>> marriage, death,  for me in the past. Now I do that myself on Joao 
>> Ventura's great etombo site.   ​
>>
>> I found a family of 8 spelled Reixello, father Antonio,  from Portugal (2 
>> younger children born in Maui) sailing from Hawaii to San Francisco aboard 
>> the S. S. Sonoma Feb. 1919.  Maybe they are related?  It does not say where 
>> in Portugal they are from.  In the 1940 US census the names in spelled 
>> Rexelle.  
>>
>> In the meantime, I will text my cousin in Brazil and ask him if he can 
>> find it.  
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Cheri Mello > > wrote:
>>
>>> Repost for Carolyn, carolynmoroney at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Isabella,
>>>
>>> Thank you for all the information and links.  I will start to look 
>>> through them, and will get back to you.
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:27 AM, Carolyn M >> > wrote:
>>>
 Cheri,

 Through postings made here back in August of 2013, I found out about 
 etombo.com, and tombopt.  From there I was able to find the actual 
 photocopy of my grandfather's passport, which was in the Braganca District 
 Archives.  I was thrilled to say the least!  I will check out this new 
 link 
 for Porto.

 Thanks,
 Carolyn

 On Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:32:37 PM UTC-4, Carolyn M wrote:

> I would like to know if anyone knows of any online records of ships 
> manifests leaving Porto, Portugal to Brazil?
>
> My great-uncle left Porto bound for Brazil on or around October 1911, 
> but I don't know the name of the ship.
>
> I also posted this to the Portuguese Genealogy Board, but I'm not sure 
> it ever got through.  This is my first post, and I want to thank you all 
> for being here!
>
> Any information regarding the manifest would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Carolyn
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pico da Pedra up on CCA

[Pam Santos]

Pico da Pedra records are online on CCA site for those who have ancestors
from there.

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