[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "Miz" or "Roiz"

[JR]

I would say Roiz because there is short symbol over the Roiz (the z), and 
that is the usual short form for Rodrigues. However, if you spot Mtz with 
same accent you may have a case. I would still go with Roiz because that is 
what it looks like to me, especially the z.

JR

On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 11:01:09 PM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I would like your opinions on this record, please:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P89.html
>
> I think the transcriber of the names on this page for the Terceira 
> Marriage Index made an error.  According to the index, the marriage should 
> be for Ignacio Rodrigues.  But, I believe it says the groom (and his 
> father) to be Ignacio Martins.  The priest's M's (as in the M in "Madre 
> Igregia" second to bottom line) could easily be mistaken for R's, hence the 
> error.  
>
> I'd very much appreciate more experienced eyes than mine to double check.
>
> many thanks,
>
> Linda
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "Miz" or "Roiz"

[linda]

Thanks Cheri,

I can see it that way too, but if you would have a look at this record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P103.html

which is indexed as being for Manuel Martins, and compare it to the first 
record (indexed for Ignacio Rodrigues), I would very much value your 
opinion as to whether the abbreviations written by the priest are the same.

with thanks again,

Linda


On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 9:05:19 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Ignacio Roiz,which is an abbreviation for Rodrigues.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 8:29 PM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> I would say Roiz because there is short symbol over the Roiz (the z), and 
>> that is the usual short form for Rodrigues. However, if you spot Mtz with 
>> same accent you may have a case. I would still go with Roiz because that is 
>> what it looks like to me, especially the z.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 11:01:09 PM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I would like your opinions on this record, please:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P89.html
>>>
>>> I think the transcriber of the names on this page for the Terceira 
>>> Marriage Index made an error.  According to the index, the marriage should 
>>> be for Ignacio Rodrigues.  But, I believe it says the groom (and his 
>>> father) to be Ignacio Martins.  The priest's M's (as in the M in "Madre 
>>> Igregia" second to bottom line) could easily be mistaken for R's, hence the 
>>> error.  
>>>
>>> I'd very much appreciate more experienced eyes than mine to double check.
>>>
>>> many thanks,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Dias Favela 00 Catarina do Couto

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

Does anyone have this couple: Manuel Dias Favela married to Catarina do
Couto?

I think they mere married in 27.10.1646 in Rabo de Peixe.

 

 

Merry Christmas and Muito Obrigado,

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Manuel,

No.  Manuel Moreira Moniz or Norte's parents were Joao Moniz Freire or
Dutra or Norte and his wife Isabel Moreira. He descends from Domingos Vaz
Leitao and Maria Dutra.

Margaret,

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 7:59 AM, mances  wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> I descend from Manuel Vaz Norte and his wife Maria Moreira, from Fernais
> da Ajuda. They married around 1630.
> Is your Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte a descendant from this couple?
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sábado, 12 de dezembro de 2015 23:07:30 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Thank you for posting Manuel Tavares information.  This is also my direct
>> line through Manuel Tavares married to Maria de Bettencourt in Fenais da
>> Ajuda Oct 12 1702, through their daughter Maria Bettencourt married to
>> Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte June 7 1731 in Fenais da Ajuda.
>>
>> Below is the link for Maria Bettencourt and Manuel Tavares marriage
>> record.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706_item1/P51.html
>>
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>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you and to you as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2015 5:00 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
>>> eliseu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you John!
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and
>>>
>>> Muito Obrigado,
>>> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>>> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>>> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com]
>>> *Enviada:* 12 de dezembro de 2015 18:26
>>> *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO
>>>
>>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Tavares Melo (Carlos Machado: 517) *
>>>
>>> *First Generation*
>>>
>>>   1.* Manuel Tavares Melo CM 517 * was born in 1788.
>>> CM 517 #15
>>>
>>> He had 4 wives; he is on page 112 of R. Rodrigues all the children
>>> arelisted but it says they do not know
>>> which of the wives are their mothers
>>> Manuel Josefa Rosa do Rego, Ana Jacinta Medeiros, Rosa Jacinta da Costa
>>> Maiato, Maria Rosa Candida.
>>>
>>> *Second Generation*
>>>
>>>   2.* Francisco Moniz Tavares * was born in 1741. He married Maria Melo
>>> on 19 Nov 1764 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores.
>>>
>>> CM 517 #11  & R. Rodrigues 111
>>>   3.* Maria Melo * was born in 1740.
>>> CM 518 #3
>>> *Third Generation*
>>>
>>>   4.* Manuel Tavares Bettencourt * was born in 1710. He married Josefa
>>> Moniz Vieira on 15 Aug 1736 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores.
>>>
>>> Cm 517 #7
>>>   5.* Josefa Moniz Vieira * was born in 1710.
>>>
>>>   6.* Miguel Moniz Vieira * was born in 1695. He married Barbara Melo-3
>>> on 9 Mar 1735/1736 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores.
>>>
>>> CM 518 #2
>>>   7.* Barbara Melo-3 * was born in 1720.
>>>
>>> *Fourth Generation*
>>>
>>>   8.* Manuel Tavares * was born on 21 Jul 1671 in Fenais Da Ajuda. He
>>> married Maria Bettencourt on 10 Dec 1702 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel
>>> Azores.
>>>
>>> CM 517 #3
>>>   9.* Maria Bettencourt * was born in 1680.
>>>
>>> 12.* Jose Moniz * was born in 1665. He married Maria Arruda.
>>> 13.* Maria Arruda * was born in 1665.
>>>
>>> 14.* Manuel Medeiros * was born in 1695. He married Natalia Pacheco.
>>> 15.* Natalia Pacheco * was born in 1695.
>>>
>>> *Fifth Generation*
>>>
>>> 16.* Carlos Tavares Roe ou Roia * was born in 1635. He married
>>> Margarida Pacheco Medeiros in Sep 1667 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel
>>> Azores.
>>>
>>> CM 517 #1
>>> 17.* Margarida Pacheco Medeiros * was born in 1649.
>>> R. Rodrigues pg 110
>>>
>>> *Sixth Generation*
>>>
>>> 32.* Manuel Resendes * was born in 1619 in Povacao, S. Miguel.
>>> CM 517 very bottom of page
>>>
>>> 34.* Manuel Costa Carvalho * was born in 1607. He married Maria Pacheco
>>> in 1627 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores.
>>> 35.* Maria Pacheco * was born in 1607.
>>>
>>> R. Rodrigues pg 108
>>> *Seventh Generation*
>>>
>>> 68.* Francisco Costa * was born in 1590. He married Ana Cabeceiras.
>>> 69.* Ana Cabeceiras * was born in 1590.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2015 12:47 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
>>> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes!
>>> Manuel Tavares de Melo married to Josefa Rosa do Rego, to Ana Jacinta de
>>> Medeiros, to Rosa Jacinta or Rosa Costa Maiato, to Maria Cândida Rosa
>>> Unção, to  unknown… J
>>>
>>> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

[mances]

Thank you, Margaret,



Em domingo, 13 de dezembro de 2015 13:40:54 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>
> Hi Manuel,
>
> No.  Manuel Moreira Moniz or Norte's parents were Joao Moniz Freire or 
> Dutra or Norte and his wife Isabel Moreira. He descends from Domingos Vaz 
> Leitao and Maria Dutra.
>
> Margaret,
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 7:59 AM, mances  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Margaret,
>>
>> I descend from Manuel Vaz Norte and his wife Maria Moreira, from Fernais 
>> da Ajuda. They married around 1630.
>> Is your Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte a descendant from this couple?
>>
>> Manoel
>>
>> Em sábado, 12 de dezembro de 2015 23:07:30 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Thank you for posting Manuel Tavares information.  This is also my 
>>> direct line through Manuel Tavares married to Maria de Bettencourt in 
>>> Fenais da Ajuda Oct 12 1702, through their daughter Maria Bettencourt 
>>> married to Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte June 7 1731 in Fenais da Ajuda.
>>>
>>> Below is the link for Maria Bettencourt and Manuel Tavares marriage 
>>> record.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706_item1/P51.html
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>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you and to you as well.




 On Saturday, December 12, 2015 5:00 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
 eliseu...@gmail.com> wrote:


 Thank you John!
  
 Merry Christmas and
  
 Muito Obrigado,
 *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
 *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

[mances]

Hi Margaret,

I descend from Manuel Vaz Norte and his wife Maria Moreira, from Fernais da 
Ajuda. They married around 1630.
Is your Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte a descendant from this couple?

Manoel

Em sábado, 12 de dezembro de 2015 23:07:30 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>
> Hi John,
>
> Thank you for posting Manuel Tavares information.  This is also my direct 
> line through Manuel Tavares married to Maria de Bettencourt in Fenais da 
> Ajuda Oct 12 1702, through their daughter Maria Bettencourt married to 
> Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte June 7 1731 in Fenais da Ajuda.
>
> Below is the link for Maria Bettencourt and Manuel Tavares marriage record.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706_item1/P51.html
>
> 
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>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Thank you and to you as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 12, 2015 5:00 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
>> eliseu...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you John!
>>  
>> Merry Christmas and
>>  
>> Muito Obrigado,
>> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
>> azo...@googlegroups.com ] 
>> *Enviada:* 12 de dezembro de 2015 18:26
>> *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO
>>  
>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Tavares Melo (Carlos Machado: 517) *
>>  
>> *First Generation*
>>  
>>   1.* Manuel Tavares Melo CM 517 * was born in 1788. 
>> CM 517 #15
>>  
>> He had 4 wives; he is on page 112 of R. Rodrigues all the children 
>> arelisted but it says they do not know
>> which of the wives are their mothers
>> Manuel Josefa Rosa do Rego, Ana Jacinta Medeiros, Rosa Jacinta da Costa 
>> Maiato, Maria Rosa Candida.
>>  
>> *Second Generation*
>>  
>>   2.* Francisco Moniz Tavares * was born in 1741. He married Maria Melo 
>> on 19 Nov 1764 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores. 
>>  
>> CM 517 #11  & R. Rodrigues 111
>>   3.* Maria Melo * was born in 1740. 
>> CM 518 #3
>> *Third Generation*
>>  
>>   4.* Manuel Tavares Bettencourt * was born in 1710. He married Josefa 
>> Moniz Vieira on 15 Aug 1736 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores. 
>>  
>> Cm 517 #7
>>   5.* Josefa Moniz Vieira * was born in 1710. 
>>  
>>   6.* Miguel Moniz Vieira * was born in 1695. He married Barbara Melo-3 
>> on 9 Mar 1735/1736 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores. 
>>  
>> CM 518 #2
>>   7.* Barbara Melo-3 * was born in 1720. 
>>  
>> *Fourth Generation*
>>  
>>   8.* Manuel Tavares * was born on 21 Jul 1671 in Fenais Da Ajuda. He 
>> married Maria Bettencourt on 10 Dec 1702 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel 
>> Azores. 
>>  
>> CM 517 #3
>>   9.* Maria Bettencourt * was born in 1680. 
>>  
>> 12.* Jose Moniz * was born in 1665. He married Maria Arruda. 
>> 13.* Maria Arruda * was born in 1665. 
>>  
>> 14.* Manuel Medeiros * was born in 1695. He married Natalia Pacheco. 
>> 15.* Natalia Pacheco * was born in 1695. 
>>  
>> *Fifth Generation*
>>  
>> 16.* Carlos Tavares Roe ou Roia * was born in 1635. He married Margarida 
>> Pacheco Medeiros in Sep 1667 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores. 
>>  
>> CM 517 #1
>> 17.* Margarida Pacheco Medeiros * was born in 1649. 
>> R. Rodrigues pg 110
>>  
>> *Sixth Generation*
>>  
>> 32.* Manuel Resendes * was born in 1619 in Povacao, S. Miguel. 
>> CM 517 very bottom of page
>>  
>> 34.* Manuel Costa Carvalho * was born in 1607. He married Maria Pacheco 
>> in 1627 in Fenais Da Ajuda, S. Miguel Azores. 
>> 35.* Maria Pacheco * was born in 1607. 
>>  
>> R. Rodrigues pg 108
>> *Seventh Generation*
>>  
>> 68.* Francisco Costa * was born in 1590. He married Ana Cabeceiras. 
>> 69.* Ana Cabeceiras * was born in 1590. 
>>  
>>  
>> On Saturday, December 12, 2015 12:47 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
>> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Yes!
>> Manuel Tavares de Melo married to Josefa Rosa do Rego, to Ana Jacinta de 
>> Medeiros, to Rosa Jacinta or Rosa Costa Maiato, to Maria Cândida Rosa 
>> Unção, to  unknown… J
>>  
>> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome 
>> de *Richard Francis Pimentel
>> *Enviada:* 12 de dezembro de 2015 16:41
>> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Assunto:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO
>>  
>> *I do not have that exact name but have several Manuel de Mello. Can you 
>> give any more information on him that may help me 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

I have a Manuel Vaz Norte married to a Maria Monteiro… could they be the same 
couple you have?

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de mances
Enviada: 13 de dezembro de 2015 12:00
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

 

Hi Margaret,

 

I descend from Manuel Vaz Norte and his wife Maria Moreira, from Fernais da 
Ajuda. They married around 1630.

Is your Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte a descendant from this couple?

 

Manoel

Em sábado, 12 de dezembro de 2015 23:07:30 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:

Hi John,

 

Thank you for posting Manuel Tavares information.  This is also my direct line 
through Manuel Tavares married to Maria de Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda Oct 
12 1702, through their daughter Maria Bettencourt married to Manuel Moniz 
Moreira Norte June 7 1731 in Fenais da Ajuda.

 

Below is the link for Maria Bettencourt and Manuel Tavares marriage record.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706_item1/P51.html


 

 

 

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 On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:

 

 Thank you and to you as well.

 

  

 

  

 

  

 

 On Saturday, December 12, 2015 5:00 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
 wrote:

 

  

 

 Thank you John!

 

  

 

 Merry Christmas and

 

  

 

 Muito Obrigado,

 

 Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

 

 Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

 

 (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)

 

  

 

  

 

  

 

 De: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] 
Enviada: 12 de dezembro de 2015 18:26
Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

 

  

 

 Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Tavares Melo (Carlos Machado: 517) 

 

  

 

 First Generation

 

  

 

   1. Manuel Tavares Melo CM 517  was born in 1788. 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

[mances]

Hi Eliseu,

I descend twice from them. Through their son Rafael Moreira who married in 
Rabo de Peixe on 26 dec 1666 to Maria Pacheco, and through their daughter 
Maria Moreira who married in Rabo de Peixe on 30 jun 1654 to Manuel de 
Sousa Cardoso.

Manuel Vaz Norte died in Rabo de Peixe on 24 oct 1670, and his wife Maria 
Moreira also died in Rabo de Peixe on 27 feb 1675.

Manoel

Em domingo, 13 de dezembro de 2015 13:14:21 UTC-2, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
escreveu:
>
> Hi!
>
> I have a Manuel Vaz Norte married to a Maria Monteiro… could they be the 
> same couple you have?
>
>  
>
> *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *Em nome de *mances
> *Enviada:* 13 de dezembro de 2015 12:00
> *Para:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO
>
>  
>
> Hi Margaret,
>
>  
>
> I descend from Manuel Vaz Norte and his wife Maria Moreira, from Fernais 
> da Ajuda. They married around 1630.
>
> Is your Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte a descendant from this couple?
>
>  
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sábado, 12 de dezembro de 2015 23:07:30 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>
> Hi John,
>
>  
>
> Thank you for posting Manuel Tavares information.  This is also my direct 
> line through Manuel Tavares married to Maria de Bettencourt in Fenais da 
> Ajuda Oct 12 1702, through their daughter Maria Bettencourt married to 
> Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte June 7 1731 in Fenais da Ajuda.
>
>  
>
> Below is the link for Maria Bettencourt and Manuel Tavares marriage record.
>
>  
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Thanks :)

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de mances
Enviada: 13 de dezembro de 2015 15:52
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

 

Hi Eliseu,

 

I descend twice from them. Through their son Rafael Moreira who married in Rabo 
de Peixe on 26 dec 1666 to Maria Pacheco, and through their daughter Maria 
Moreira who married in Rabo de Peixe on 30 jun 1654 to Manuel de Sousa Cardoso.

 

Manuel Vaz Norte died in Rabo de Peixe on 24 oct 1670, and his wife Maria 
Moreira also died in Rabo de Peixe on 27 feb 1675.

 

Manoel

Em domingo, 13 de dezembro de 2015 13:14:21 UTC-2, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
escreveu:

Hi!

I have a Manuel Vaz Norte married to a Maria Monteiro… could they be the same 
couple you have?

 

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Enviada: 13 de dezembro de 2015 12:00
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MANUEL TAVARES DE MELO

 

Hi Margaret,

 

I descend from Manuel Vaz Norte and his wife Maria Moreira, from Fernais da 
Ajuda. They married around 1630.

Is your Manuel Moniz Moreira Norte a descendant from this couple?

 

Manoel

Em sábado, 12 de dezembro de 2015 23:07:30 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:

Hi John,

 

Thank you for posting Manuel Tavares information.  This is also my direct line 
through Manuel Tavares married to Maria de Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda Oct 
12 1702, through their daughter Maria Bettencourt married to Manuel Moniz 
Moreira Norte June 7 1731 in Fenais da Ajuda.

 

Below is the link for Maria Bettencourt and Manuel Tavares marriage record.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1683-1706_item1/P51.html


 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage.

[Sandra Perez]

Antonio Rois and Anna Cabral.  Anna's parents--Mel Rois Philipe? and ?
Cabral Sa?  Top left.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage.

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you so much.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 11:43 AM, linda  wrote:

> Hi Sandra,
>
> It looks like it says "Anna cabral filha de M.el Roiz Phelipe e de feliCia
> Cabral ja defunta"
>
> Manuel Rodrigues Felipe & Felicia Cabral, she being deceased
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 11:23:05 AM UTC-8, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>> Antonio Rois and Anna Cabral.  Anna's parents--Mel Rois Philipe? and ?
>> Cabral Sa?  Top left.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1654-1676/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1654-1676_item1/P101.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] from Candelaria Pico

[Freddy Garcia]

Mateus Luis married to Leonor Rodrigues had a daughter Madalena Rodrigues 
born Sept 14 1670 Candelaria Pico , she was married to my direct paternal 
7th gr grandfather Francisco Gomes Silveira, anyone with any extra info on 
this family please let me know, thanks Freddy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "Miz" or "Roiz"

[Cheri Mello]

Ignacio Roiz,which is an abbreviation for Rodrigues.

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On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 8:29 PM, JR  wrote:

> I would say Roiz because there is short symbol over the Roiz (the z), and
> that is the usual short form for Rodrigues. However, if you spot Mtz with
> same accent you may have a case. I would still go with Roiz because that is
> what it looks like to me, especially the z.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 11:01:09 PM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I would like your opinions on this record, please:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P89.html
>>
>> I think the transcriber of the names on this page for the Terceira
>> Marriage Index made an error.  According to the index, the marriage should
>> be for Ignacio Rodrigues.  But, I believe it says the groom (and his
>> father) to be Ignacio Martins.  The priest's M's (as in the M in "Madre
>> Igregia" second to bottom line) could easily be mistaken for R's, hence the
>> error.
>>
>> I'd very much appreciate more experienced eyes than mine to double check.
>>
>> many thanks,
>>
>> Linda
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "Miz" or "Roiz"

[linda]

Thanks so much for your reply JR.  I can see it that way too.  I will check 
the other records...

...hmm, and I'm back... here's a record written two years later by the same 
priest, Lourenco Gomes:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P103.html

In this case, the groom (again named for his father) is listed in the 
Marriage Index as Manuel Martins.  To my eye, the abbreviation used by the 
priest again looks like Miz, accented.  I think it is the same abbreviation 
as in the first record I linked to.

There are several examples of the abbreviation in this second record.  If 
you wouldn't mind having a look at them, I'd be much obliged.

thanks again,

Linda


On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 8:29:16 PM UTC-8, JR wrote:
>
> I would say Roiz because there is short symbol over the Roiz (the z), and 
> that is the usual short form for Rodrigues. However, if you spot Mtz with 
> same accent you may have a case. I would still go with Roiz because that is 
> what it looks like to me, especially the z.
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 11:01:09 PM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I would like your opinions on this record, please:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P89.html
>>
>> I think the transcriber of the names on this page for the Terceira 
>> Marriage Index made an error.  According to the index, the marriage should 
>> be for Ignacio Rodrigues.  But, I believe it says the groom (and his 
>> father) to be Ignacio Martins.  The priest's M's (as in the M in "Madre 
>> Igregia" second to bottom line) could easily be mistaken for R's, hence the 
>> error.  
>>
>> I'd very much appreciate more experienced eyes than mine to double check.
>>
>> many thanks,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "Miz" or "Roiz"

[JR]

Yes the second example does look like Miz for Martins. It also has dotted 
I. However, the first sample looks more like Roiz to me, with accent over 
z. In the first sample, you will see the name Maria clearly showing a well 
defined M. In the second sample, it is clearly an Miz with less ambiguity. 
This has always been problem even for the great genealogists. What to do? 
Do your best and make notation. If you know the name to be Martins and not 
Roiz, then you can just make a notation of your findings. If the Martin 
name is carried forward without any Roiz, then you have your answer, If 
both, you have a problem requiring more work.

JR

On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 12:16:09 AM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>
>
> Thanks so much for your reply JR.  I can see it that way too.  I will 
> check the other records...
>
> ...hmm, and I'm back... here's a record written two years later by the 
> same priest, Lourenco Gomes:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P103.html
>
> In this case, the groom (again named for his father) is listed in the 
> Marriage Index as Manuel Martins.  To my eye, the abbreviation used by the 
> priest again looks like Miz, accented.  I think it is the same abbreviation 
> as in the first record I linked to.
>
> There are several examples of the abbreviation in this second record.  If 
> you wouldn't mind having a look at them, I'd be much obliged.
>
> thanks again,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 8:29:16 PM UTC-8, JR wrote:
>>
>> I would say Roiz because there is short symbol over the Roiz (the z), and 
>> that is the usual short form for Rodrigues. However, if you spot Mtz with 
>> same accent you may have a case. I would still go with Roiz because that is 
>> what it looks like to me, especially the z.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 11:01:09 PM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I would like your opinions on this record, please:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P89.html
>>>
>>> I think the transcriber of the names on this page for the Terceira 
>>> Marriage Index made an error.  According to the index, the marriage should 
>>> be for Ignacio Rodrigues.  But, I believe it says the groom (and his 
>>> father) to be Ignacio Martins.  The priest's M's (as in the M in "Madre 
>>> Igregia" second to bottom line) could easily be mistaken for R's, hence the 
>>> error.  
>>>
>>> I'd very much appreciate more experienced eyes than mine to double check.
>>>
>>> many thanks,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] "Miz" or "Roiz"

[linda]

Hi Group,

I would like your opinions on this record, please:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P89.html

I think the transcriber of the names on this page for the Terceira Marriage 
Index made an error.  According to the index, the marriage should be for 
Ignacio Rodrigues.  But, I believe it says the groom (and his father) to be 
Ignacio Martins.  The priest's M's (as in the M in "Madre Igregia" second 
to bottom line) could easily be mistaken for R's, hence the error.  

I'd very much appreciate more experienced eyes than mine to double check.

many thanks,

Linda

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Coupon codes the DNA Sale (week of Dec 7th)

[robertjm]

These expire in ONE HOUR. Just got handed them by someone who can't use them.

If you use one please post a reply so they know it's 


$100 off Big-Y
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Maker' users

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What are you getting for $9.95/yr? I thought Rootsmagic is a one time flat fee?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coupon codes the DNA Sale (week of Dec 7th)

[Cheri Mello]

Please just forward them to me. I am acting as a clearing house for the
coupon codes.

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>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: "Miz" or "Roiz"

[linda]

JR,

Thank you so much.  I can see the transcription both ways, Miz and Roiz.  

Here's the context for why I am grappling with this knotty transcription:

I have a marriage for Josepha Marianna my 5xGGM in Doze Ribeiras, Terceira 
in 1750.  Her parents are clearly written as "Ignacio Martins" and "Maria 
Machada."  However, there are no listings for this pair of names in the 
Terceira Marriage Index. 

There are three "Inacio Martins"in Doze Ribeiras  (and/or Santa Barbara) in 
the Index dating to before 1750.  The dates aren't particularly good fits 
(marriages in 1695, 1734, and 1737) and the wives' names are not right.  

Maria Machados are a dime a dozen, but Ignacio is one of the less common 
names so I thought I'd check to see if there were any other Ignacios in 
Doze/Santa Barbara married to Maria Machados.  The one likely candidate I 
found was listed as Ignacio Rodrigues m. 1724, and this was the record I 
asked for help with.  In this record Ignacio's parents are named as 
"Ignacio Roiz/Miz" and "Maria Glz"

The Marriage Index has  "Inacio Martins + Maria Gonsalves, Doze Ribeiras, 
1695".  With respect to the date, this works well for his parents, if the 
name in question is Martins.  Of the few (8 or 10) Inacio Rodrigues's in 
the entire index, none are married to a Maria Gonsalves or even a 
Maria/Marianna in a likely time period (IIRC).

So, I'm inclined to see the record in question as fitting into a Martins 
lineage better than into a Rodrigues one.  But I'm obviously biased, and I 
do appreciate that my case is tenuous and circumstantial, at best.  My case 
is also weakened by two of the more experienced members of the group both 
agreeing the transcription is "Roiz".  Oh well!

I do need to double check the other two Inacio Martins in Doze (m. 1734 and 
1737), and I know I have to collect baptisms to confirm parent-child 
relationships.   I had hoped to set aside my doubts about whether I had the 
right marriage record or not, but it will have to remain unknown for now.  

many, many thanks again for your help and advice,

Linda




On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 9:51:44 PM UTC-8, JR wrote:
>
> Yes the second example does look like Miz for Martins. It also has dotted 
> I. However, the first sample looks more like Roiz to me, with accent over 
> z. In the first sample, you will see the name Maria clearly showing a well 
> defined M. In the second sample, it is clearly an Miz with less ambiguity. 
> This has always been problem even for the great genealogists. What to do? 
> Do your best and make notation. If you know the name to be Martins and not 
> Roiz, then you can just make a notation of your findings. If the Martin 
> name is carried forward without any Roiz, then you have your answer, If 
> both, you have a problem requiring more work.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 12:16:09 AM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks so much for your reply JR.  I can see it that way too.  I will 
>> check the other records...
>>
>> ...hmm, and I'm back... here's a record written two years later by the 
>> same priest, Lourenco Gomes:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P103.html
>>
>> In this case, the groom (again named for his father) is listed in the 
>> Marriage Index as Manuel Martins.  To my eye, the abbreviation used by the 
>> priest again looks like Miz, accented.  I think it is the same abbreviation 
>> as in the first record I linked to.
>>
>> There are several examples of the abbreviation in this second record.  If 
>> you wouldn't mind having a look at them, I'd be much obliged.
>>
>> thanks again,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 8:29:16 PM UTC-8, JR wrote:
>>>
>>> I would say Roiz because there is short symbol over the Roiz (the z), 
>>> and that is the usual short form for Rodrigues. However, if you spot Mtz 
>>> with same accent you may have a case. I would still go with Roiz because 
>>> that is what it looks like to me, especially the z.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 11:01:09 PM UTC-5, linda wrote:


 Hi Group,

 I would like your opinions on this record, please:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1694-1737_item1/P89.html

 I think the transcriber of the names on this page for the Terceira 
 Marriage Index made an error.  According to the index, the marriage should 
 be for Ignacio Rodrigues.  But, I believe it says the groom (and his 
 father) to be Ignacio Martins.  The priest's M's (as in the M in "Madre 
 Igregia" second to bottom line) could easily be mistaken for R's, hence 
 the 
 error.  

 I'd very much appreciate more experienced eyes than mine to double 
 check.

 many thanks,

 Linda

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