Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

I'll get in touch with João Ventura - he helped me earlier this year with 
some translations ... I'll post the translations once I get them. Thanks 
everyone for your help!!


On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I think it's legitimizing her, but we'll wait for a better translation.
>
> The margin note of the "legitimization" is referring to the baptism that 
> took place before where the father was named as "pai incognito."
>
> Cheri Mello
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>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
>
>> Marie, this is great news!! I wish I could read the doc word-for-word but 
>> it will need to be someone that reads the language well. 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading obituary

[Luciana Raposo]

Hi Jemendonca642,
This is what I could translate/understand:

1 - On Aug, 2nd, 1831 left .
2-  the present life, Francisco Munis, 43 years old,
3- more or less, married to Maria Joaquina de Mello, 
4- parishioners of Our Lady of Rosario de Lugar
5- from Achadinha, without receiving the last rites because
6- died (the word is not repente - seems something like Regectente but 
there is no such word) by the troops which entered this Island
7 - in behalf of Her (probably some kind of pronoun treatment for nobility 
used then - none that I can recognize)... Dona Maria II 
8 -... rightful (verdadeira) queen of Portugal , Was buried at this same 
Parish
9 -  being commended by me, João Antonio de Medeiros Raposo.
10 - his wife had the  
11 - and had a Funeral  Mass said in behalf of his soul - in his behalf and
12 -  20 more  Masses for the underpriveleged and which I made 
13 -  this statement on the 4th day of the same month and hour above 
mentioned.
the Vicar, João Antonio de Medeiros Raposo 
(probably some cousin of mine...lol)
Hope it helps.

Em sexta-feira, 24 de junho de 2016 22:01:23 UTC-3, jemendonca642 escreveu:
>
> Top-Right: Francisco Munis
>
> It is a good record but there are words unfamiliar to me.  It seems that 
> Francisco was killed by military forces supporting Dona Maria II to restore 
> her to the throne of Portugal but I'm not sure.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-O-1822-1858/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-O-1822-1858_item1/P41.html
>
> This is what I've been able to read (more or less).
>
>1. 
>
>Em os dois dias do mes de Agosto de mil oito centos trinta hum faleceu
>2. 
>
>da vida presente Francisco Munis de idade de quarenta e tres annos
>3. 
>
>pouco mais ou menos Casado que foi com Maria Joaquina de Me-
>4. 
>
>llo fregues desta Parochial de Nossa Senhora do Rosario de Lugar
>5. 
>
>de Achadinha sem Reciber os Divino Sacramentos da morte por
>6. 
>
>ser morte de *Reptente? *pelas Tropas que entrarem nesta ilha
>7. 
>
>em o nome da *issma?* Senhora Dona Maria Segunda de *?*
>8. 
>
>do *…? ? ?*   Rainha de Portugal, foi Sepultado nesta 
>di-
>9. 
>
>ta Parochial   *??*  por mim Joao Antonio 
>de Me-
>10. 
>
>deiros Raposo teve os sufragios de costume a dita Sua mulher
>11. 
>
>mandou celebrar por sua alma hua Missa de hoje presente e
>12. 
>
>mais vinte Missas dos deperiviligio e de *tencao.?* de que fis
>13. 
>
>este termo em os quarto dias do mesmo mes e hora ut Supra.
>
> O Vigario Joao Antonio de Medeiros Raposo
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] PBS Genealogy Roadshow-- Azorean story

[linda]

:D 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading obituary

[Joseph Mendonca]

Top-Right: Francisco Munis

It is a good record but there are words unfamiliar to me.  It seems that
Francisco was killed by military forces supporting Dona Maria II to restore
her to the throne of Portugal but I'm not sure.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-O-1822-1858/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-O-1822-1858_item1/P41.html

This is what I've been able to read (more or less).

   1.

   Em os dois dias do mes de Agosto de mil oito centos trinta hum faleceu
   2.

   da vida presente Francisco Munis de idade de quarenta e tres annos
   3.

   pouco mais ou menos Casado que foi com Maria Joaquina de Me-
   4.

   llo fregues desta Parochial de Nossa Senhora do Rosario de Lugar
   5.

   de Achadinha sem Reciber os Divino Sacramentos da morte por
   6.

   ser morte de *Reptente? *pelas Tropas que entrarem nesta ilha
   7.

   em o nome da *issma?* Senhora Dona Maria Segunda de *?*
   8.

   do *…? ? ?*   Rainha de Portugal, foi Sepultado nesta di-
   9.

   ta Parochial   *??*  por mim Joao Antonio de
   Me-
   10.

   deiros Raposo teve os sufragios de costume a dita Sua mulher
   11.

   mandou celebrar por sua alma hua Missa de hoje presente e
   12.

   mais vinte Missas dos deperiviligio e de *tencao.?* de que fis
   13.

   este termo em os quarto dias do mesmo mes e hora ut Supra.

O Vigario Joao Antonio de Medeiros Raposo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Cheri Mello]

Joe Matias,
Who is Duarte Manuel Vasconcellos d'Amaral? Did you get his permission
before sharing his work?
Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Manita M]

this is great!

hm, why do we have Simao Goncalves married to two different women?  is
it the same man? or just happens to be a different man with the same name?

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

> might be of help.
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Sorry, not JR, I meant to say Manoel (César Furtado). Manoel has
>> Kryptonite eyes.
>>
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>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> JR, Wow, do you have Kryptonite in your eyes? LOL I thought we ran out
>>> of records.
>>>
>>> So now these people you list are the End of the Line ancestors, correct?
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Joe Matias]

might be of help.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Sorry, not JR, I meant to say Manoel (César Furtado). Manoel has
> Kryptonite eyes.
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> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> JR, Wow, do you have Kryptonite in your eyes? LOL I thought we ran out of
>> records.
>>
>> So now these people you list are the End of the Line ancestors, correct?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[mances]

Not yet, Cheri :)
I just have them in my files as I descend from Miguel de Noia and Úrsula 
Roiz.

Unfortunately they are the end of the line and here's what I have so far 
about them:

. São Pedro de Vila Franca, 26.5.1658 - EC #168, casamento de Manuel Roiz, 
filho de Miguel da Noia e Úrsula Roiz (fs.), com Catarina Fernandes, filha 
de Lourenço Roiz e Lúcia Fernandes.
. Matriz  de Vila Franca em 1612 - CCA #58, casamento de um Bento de Noia, 
viúvo. (Há um Bento de Noia e Maria Jorge que batizaram um filho em 1579 - 
CCA #128, na Matriz de Vila Franca).
. Matriz de Vila Franca, 17.11.1649 - CCA #186, casamento de João Roiz, 
filho de Miguel de Noia e Úrsula Roiz, com Isabel de Oliveira, filha de 
Sebastião de Oliveira e Clara Gonçalves (f.).
. São Pedro de Vila Franca, 3.4.1651, casamento de Francisco Martins de 
Noia, filho de Miguel de Noia e Úrsula Roiz, com Catarina da Costa, filha 
de João de Deus, morador em Água do Alto, e de Maria da Costa, filha de 
F..? Furtado e Maria Roiz (RR - cap. 327, 1)

They are in Genealogias de Carlos Machado as well:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P554.html

Manoel




Filhos batizados na Matriz de Vila Franca:
. Maria, b. 13.6.1616 - CCA #9. Filha de Miguel de Noe (com um trema no 
'e') e Úrsula Roiz. Pd: Isidro Roiz e Maria Fonseca.
. Francisco, b. 14.10.1618 - CCA #24. Pd: Manuel da Gra. (Guerra?) e Ana de 
Araújo.
. Maria (2ª do nome), b. 23.7.1621 - CCA #40. Pd: Gaspar Teixeira e Maria 
Vultoa mulher de Pedro Curvelo (Obs.: Rui Furtado de Sousa é padrinho de 
batismo de um filho de Pedro Curvelo e Maria Vultoa)
. João, b. 16.6.1624 - CCA #57. Pd: Baltazar Moreira e Maria do Couto, 
moradores nesta freguesia.
. Miguel, b. 30.11.1626 - CCA #76. Filho de Miguel de Noe e Úrsula Roiz. 
Pd: Antonio Teixeira e Helena Gonçalves.

. São Pedro de Vila Franca, 9.7.1634 - CCA #15, batismo de Domingos, filho 
de Miguel de Noia e de Isabel (sic) Rodrigues, moradores à Vila Nova desta 
freguesia. Pd: Sebastião Pires filho de Miguel Pires, e Ana de Fontes filha 
de Antonio Salgado, moradores nesta freguesia.




He

Em sexta-feira, 24 de junho de 2016 19:56:27 UTC-3, Cheri Mello escreveu:
>
> Sorry, not JR, I meant to say Manoel (César Furtado). Manoel has 
> Kryptonite eyes.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> JR, Wow, do you have Kryptonite in your eyes? LOL I thought we ran out of 
>> records. 
>>
>> So now these people you list are the End of the Line ancestors, correct?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Cheri Mello]

Sorry, not JR, I meant to say Manoel (César Furtado). Manoel has Kryptonite
eyes.

Cheri Mello
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Achada

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> JR, Wow, do you have Kryptonite in your eyes? LOL I thought we ran out of
> records.
>
> So now these people you list are the End of the Line ancestors, correct?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. Stephen's Cemetery list, Concord, CA

["E" Sharp]

Carrie,

If he does not have a stone, and he is not listed on  FindAGrave, you can
call the cemetery and they will most likely give you the information you
are seeking.  My brother and sister did not have a stone in the Catholic
cemetery they are buried in and that office gave me the information (baby
section) and grave numbers and we were able to dig and find the markers and
my siblings and I got together and had stones put on their graves.this
50 years later but we wanted them to have a stone and our parents could not
afford it at the time of their death. There is a Cesare Angella and Viola
Angella buried at Memory Gardens Cemetery Concord.

"E"

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 2:48 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Yes, it is on FindAGrave.
>
> Eric Edgar
> On Jun 21, 2016 3:08 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Carrie, cgreen at jeffersonesd.org
>>  Is the St. Stephen's cemetery list still available?  My grandfather,
>> last name Angella (sometimes spelled Angela) is buried there, but has not
>> marker.
>>
>> Thank you so much for your time and efforts!
>>
>> -Carrie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Manita M]

Thank you for this ... this is amazing ... just went back a generation ...
wot!

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:30 PM, mances  wrote:

> Here's the marriage of João Roiz [Noia] and Isabel de Oliveira on 17 nov
> 1649  in Matriz de Vila Franca do Campo.
> Bottom:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1599-1662/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1599-1662_item1/P186.html
>
> - João Roiz is the son of Miguel de Noia and Úrsula Roiz
> - Isabel de Oliveira is the daughter of Sebastião de Oliveira and Clara
> Gonçalves (d.)
>
> João was baptised in Matriz de Vila Franca do Campo on 16.6.1624 - CCA #57
>
> Miguel de Noia and Úrsula Roiz are my ancestors too. They married on 5 sep
> 1615 in Rosário, Lagoa. The record doesn't list their parents.
>
>
> Manoel César Furtado
>
>
>
> Em sexta-feira, 24 de junho de 2016 16:00:43 UTC-3, Cheri Mello escreveu:
>>
>> Marriage of Manuel da Souza and Bernarda d'Oliveira, right center:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P19.html
>>
>> So now you have Bernarda's parents, but that's as far back as you'll get.
>> You're out of records.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Her death, top left
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749_item1/P40.html
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Manita M  wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of mtdna...


 http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/science/mitochondrial-dna-mothers.html?smid=fb-nytscience=cur&_r=1=http://m.facebook.com/
 On Jun 24, 2016 1:51 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> I have them.
>
> I do not have Bernarda de Oliveira's baptism. I only have her father
> as Manuel da Sousa and mother as Maria de Oliveira who died before 5 Jun
> 1710. No source on that. Ugh!!
>
> I have Bernanda's marriage and death. That's it.
> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Cheri Mello]

JR, Wow, do you have Kryptonite in your eyes? LOL I thought we ran out of
records.

So now these people you list are the End of the Line ancestors, correct?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. Stephen's Cemetery list, Concord, CA

[luiznoia .]

Yes, it is on FindAGrave.

Eric Edgar
On Jun 21, 2016 3:08 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Repost for Carrie, cgreen at jeffersonesd.org
>  Is the St. Stephen's cemetery list still available?  My grandfather, last
> name Angella (sometimes spelled Angela) is buried there, but has not
> marker.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[mances]

You're right, Cheri.

Manoel

Em sexta-feira, 24 de junho de 2016 14:55:27 UTC-3, Cheri Mello escreveu:
>
> I think it's legitimizing her, but we'll wait for a better translation.
>
> The margin note of the "legitimization" is referring to the baptism that 
> took place before where the father was named as "pai incognito."
>
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> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
>
>> Marie, this is great news!! I wish I could read the doc word-for-word but 
>> it will need to be someone that reads the language well. 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Marie  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the blank responses--have had too much caffeine this morning.
>>>
>>> Antonia was born 9 August 1812 before her parents were married.  Her 
>>> baptism record confirms the names of her mother and maternal grandparents.  
>>> See  top right  
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html
>>>
>>>   Then in 1817 ( top left) her parents, who were married in 1814 brought 
>>> her to the church, for a ceremony to perhaps "legitimize" her??  The record 
>>> verifies her DOB, but I cannot read what follows. 
>>>
>>>  We need a person more fluent to explain this record and notes in the 
>>> margins of both records. 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Marie Borba Volbeda
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>>
 I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
 great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
 mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
 Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct 
 paternal 
 line ends.

 I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:

 Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
 Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
 Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
 Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)

 Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.

 I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
 especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
 few years before and after.

 Does this name ring a bell for anyone?

 Thanks!
 - Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Absolutely!! I love this group!! So glad I'm going to the conference - 
can't wait to meet so many of you in person!

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 12:37:54 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
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> Wow. What s gold mine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[mances]

Here's the marriage of João Roiz [Noia] and Isabel de Oliveira on 17 nov 
1649  in Matriz de Vila Franca do Campo.
Bottom:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1599-1662/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1599-1662_item1/P186.html

- João Roiz is the son of Miguel de Noia and Úrsula Roiz
- Isabel de Oliveira is the daughter of Sebastião de Oliveira and Clara 
Gonçalves (d.)

João was baptised in Matriz de Vila Franca do Campo on 16.6.1624 - CCA #57

Miguel de Noia and Úrsula Roiz are my ancestors too. They married on 5 sep 
1615 in Rosário, Lagoa. The record doesn't list their parents.


Manoel César Furtado



Em sexta-feira, 24 de junho de 2016 16:00:43 UTC-3, Cheri Mello escreveu:
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> Marriage of Manuel da Souza and Bernarda d'Oliveira, right center:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P19.html
>
> So now you have Bernarda's parents, but that's as far back as you'll get. 
> You're out of records.
>
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> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Her death, top left
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749_item1/P40.html
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Manita M > > wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of mtdna... 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/science/mitochondrial-dna-mothers.html?smid=fb-nytscience=cur&_r=1=http://m.facebook.com/
>>> On Jun 24, 2016 1:51 PM, "Cheri Mello"  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have them.

 I do not have Bernarda de Oliveira's baptism. I only have her father as 
 Manuel da Sousa and mother as Maria de Oliveira who died before 5 Jun 
 1710. 
 No source on that. Ugh!!

 I have Bernanda's marriage and death. That's it.
 Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Arruda Moniz, Coreia and Benavides in S. Miguel

[Theresa Entin]

Hi All, I am looking for the village where these people might have hung out.  
The names are Manuel Arruda Moniz, son of Francisco Moniz and Maria Correia.  
He married Catarina Benevides in about 1900. They have a child in 1904 in USA 
as a matter of fact all the children are born in USA, but I do not find their 
marriage in the USA.  I’ve exhausted all the resources on line, I even checked 
the passports for the years 1903- 1904 when they said they arrived. No luck!

 

So Arruda Moniz, Correia, and Benevides in S. Miguel.  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Liz Migliori]

Wow. What s gold mine

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric:
> 
> Sorry for the blank responses--have had too much caffeine this morning.
> 
> Antonia was born 9 August 1812 before her parents were married.  Her baptism 
> record confirms the names of her mother and maternal grandparents.  See  top 
> right  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html
> 
>   Then in 1817 ( top left) her parents, who were married in 1814 brought her 
> to the church, for a ceremony to perhaps "legitimize" her??  The record 
> verifies her DOB, but I cannot read what follows. 
> 
>  We need a person more fluent to explain this record and notes in the margins 
> of both records. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Marie Borba Volbeda
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third great-grandmother, 
>> Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the mother of my 
>> great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - Manoel's 
>> father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal line ends.
>> 
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>> 
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>> 
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>> 
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I especially 
>> looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a few years 
>> before and after.
>> 
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

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Marriage of Manuel da Souza and Bernarda d'Oliveira, right center:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P19.html

So now you have Bernarda's parents, but that's as far back as you'll get.
You're out of records.

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Her death, top left
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749_item1/P40.html
>
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> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Manita M 
> wrote:
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>> Speaking of mtdna...
>>
>>
>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/science/mitochondrial-dna-mothers.html?smid=fb-nytscience=cur&_r=1=http://m.facebook.com/
>> On Jun 24, 2016 1:51 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have them.
>>>
>>> I do not have Bernarda de Oliveira's baptism. I only have her father as
>>> Manuel da Sousa and mother as Maria de Oliveira who died before 5 Jun 1710.
>>> No source on that. Ugh!!
>>>
>>> I have Bernanda's marriage and death. That's it.
>>> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Cheri Mello]

Her death, top left
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749_item1/P40.html

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> Speaking of mtdna...
>
>
> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/science/mitochondrial-dna-mothers.html?smid=fb-nytscience=cur&_r=1=http://m.facebook.com/
> On Jun 24, 2016 1:51 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:
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>> I have them.
>>
>> I do not have Bernarda de Oliveira's baptism. I only have her father as
>> Manuel da Sousa and mother as Maria de Oliveira who died before 5 Jun 1710.
>> No source on that. Ugh!!
>>
>> I have Bernanda's marriage and death. That's it.
>> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

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Speaking of mtdna...

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/science/mitochondrial-dna-mothers.html?smid=fb-nytscience=cur&_r=1=http://m.facebook.com/
On Jun 24, 2016 1:51 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> I have them.
>
> I do not have Bernarda de Oliveira's baptism. I only have her father as
> Manuel da Sousa and mother as Maria de Oliveira who died before 5 Jun 1710.
> No source on that. Ugh!!
>
> I have Bernanda's marriage and death. That's it.
> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Cheri Mello]

I think it's legitimizing her, but we'll wait for a better translation.

The margin note of the "legitimization" is referring to the baptism that
took place before where the father was named as "pai incognito."

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Marie, this is great news!! I wish I could read the doc word-for-word but
> it will need to be someone that reads the language well.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Marie  wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric:
>>
>> Sorry for the blank responses--have had too much caffeine this morning.
>>
>> Antonia was born 9 August 1812 before her parents were married.  Her
>> baptism record confirms the names of her mother and maternal grandparents.
>> See  top right
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html
>>
>>   Then in 1817 ( top left) her parents, who were married in 1814 brought
>> her to the church, for a ceremony to perhaps "legitimize" her??  The record
>> verifies her DOB, but I cannot read what follows.
>>
>>  We need a person more fluent to explain this record and notes in the
>> margins of both records.
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Marie Borba Volbeda
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third
>>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the
>>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) -
>>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal
>>> line ends.
>>>
>>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>>
>>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>>
>>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>>
>>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I
>>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a
>>> few years before and after.
>>>
>>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> - Eric
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Cheri Mello]

I have them.

I do not have Bernarda de Oliveira's baptism. I only have her father as
Manuel da Sousa and mother as Maria de Oliveira who died before 5 Jun 1710.
No source on that. Ugh!!

I have Bernanda's marriage and death. That's it.
Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Marie, this is great news!! I wish I could read the doc word-for-word but
it will need to be someone that reads the language well.

Rosemarie
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Marie  wrote:

> Hi Eric:
>
> Sorry for the blank responses--have had too much caffeine this morning.
>
> Antonia was born 9 August 1812 before her parents were married.  Her
> baptism record confirms the names of her mother and maternal grandparents.
> See  top right
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html
>
>   Then in 1817 ( top left) her parents, who were married in 1814 brought
> her to the church, for a ceremony to perhaps "legitimize" her??  The record
> verifies her DOB, but I cannot read what follows.
>
>  We need a person more fluent to explain this record and notes in the
> margins of both records.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Marie Borba Volbeda
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) -
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

WOW! Marie, you're new favorite cousin! AND my favorite NEW cousin! ;)

Very cool - thanks!

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:22:35 AM UTC-7, Marie wrote:
>
> Hi Eric:
>
> Sorry for the blank responses--have had too much caffeine this morning.
>
> Antonia was born 9 August 1812 before her parents were married.  Her 
> baptism record confirms the names of her mother and maternal grandparents.  
> See  top right  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html
>
>   Then in 1817 ( top left) her parents, who were married in 1814 brought 
> her to the church, for a ceremony to perhaps "legitimize" her??  The record 
> verifies her DOB, but I cannot read what follows. 
>
>  We need a person more fluent to explain this record and notes in the 
> margins of both records. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Marie Borba Volbeda
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name indicating she is a widow

[Manita M]

Thank you again.

Does anyone else have my 6x great grandparents in their family tree?  Bernarda
de Oliveira AND Francisco Barbosa?

I am trying to go back on Bernarda de Oliveira direct maternal line, which
is also my direct maternal line and I am stuck, stuck, stuck.  I would love
to go back as far as possible on my direct maternal line (H6a1b2), ideally
to the original Azorean settler and of course where that original direct
Azorean maternal ancestor came from ... I can dream.  So far my mtDNA
matches are not close enough to figure that out ... YET.


On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

> Manita:Re my 863 Bernarda de Oliveira:
> Her 1st spouse was Domingos FERNANDES
> I descend from her #2 sp  My 862. Francisco Barbosa.
> They married 17 August 1721. SM-VFDC
> Francisco Barbosa, stonemason, widower of Maria (Fereira) Lima
> SPOUSE
> Bernarda de Oliveira, widow of Domingos Fernandes
>
> Shirley in CA
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Manita M 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:39 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help after brides name
> indicating she is a widow
>
> Help with translation please!
>
> Below is a link to a marriage record that I need help with translating
> after the brides name.  Please refer to the top right, which is a
> continuation of the marriage record for Bernarda Oliveira and Francisco
>
> After the brides name, it says veuva (widow) de Domingos xx
>
> What is the ?
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P112.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Marie]

Hi Eric:

Sorry for the blank responses--have had too much caffeine this morning.

Antonia was born 9 August 1812 before her parents were married.  Her 
baptism record confirms the names of her mother and maternal grandparents.  
See  top right  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html

  Then in 1817 ( top left) her parents, who were married in 1814 brought 
her to the church, for a ceremony to perhaps "legitimize" her??  The record 
verifies her DOB, but I cannot read what follows. 

 We need a person more fluent to explain this record and notes in the 
margins of both records. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html

Thanks for your help.

Marie Borba Volbeda


On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:

> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
> line ends.
>
> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>
> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>
> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>
> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
> few years before and after.
>
> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>
> Thanks!
> - Eric
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I would agree, Eric. Although she could have married some other man! She
still would have been listed as Manuel's Mother with unknown Father on his
married record.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Here is the marriage record for Manoel, her son ...
>
> On 10 January 1875, in Topo, São Jorge Island, Manuel José da Cunha, 32,
> single, shoemaker, natural son of Antónia de São José, married to Rosa
> Delfina 20, single, legitimate daughter of António de Sousa de Borba and
> Ana Delfina, all native of Topo, São Jorge Island. Witnesses were José
> Lopes Constantino da Silveira, landowner, and José Vieira de Sousa Enes,
> church’s treasurer, all living in the same village. Only the witnesses can
> write.
>
>
> So I assume she was alive - and unmarried? as of 1875, at her son's
> wedding ...
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:47:38 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> I don't have her death record - that's also in the "hunting for" pile ...
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father
>>> somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was
>>> single??
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Here is the marriage record for Manoel, her son ...

On 10 January 1875, in Topo, São Jorge Island, Manuel José da Cunha, 32, 
single, shoemaker, natural son of Antónia de São José, married to Rosa 
Delfina 20, single, legitimate daughter of António de Sousa de Borba and 
Ana Delfina, all native of Topo, São Jorge Island. Witnesses were José 
Lopes Constantino da Silveira, landowner, and José Vieira de Sousa Enes, 
church’s treasurer, all living in the same village. Only the witnesses can 
write.


So I assume she was alive - and unmarried? as of 1875, at her son's wedding 
...



On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:47:38 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> I don't have her death record - that's also in the "hunting for" pile ...
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father 
>> somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was 
>> single?? 
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

I don't have her death record - that's also in the "hunting for" pile ...

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
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> Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father 
> somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was 
> single?? 
>
> Rosemarie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Marie]

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
> line ends.
>
> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>
> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>
> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>
> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
> few years before and after.
>
> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>
> Thanks!
> - Eric
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Marie]

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:

> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
> line ends.
>
> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>
> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>
> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>
> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
> few years before and after.
>
> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>
> Thanks!
> - Eric
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father
somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was
single??

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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Great suggestion! However in this case, Antónia de São José was the mother
> of Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - pai incognito ... :(
>
> Thanks for the advice!
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Eric, I'm answering you in both places!
>>
>> try looking at the baptisms right before her (Antonia's) marriage.
>> Sometimes the baptism isn't found by the Priest (forgot to enter it in the
>> book!) and the woman getting married has to be rebaptised right before her
>> marriage. This happened in my greatgrandmom's case. In order to be married
>> in the Catholic Church you had to be baptised and somehow recording her
>> baptism may have been missed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third
>>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the
>>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) -
>>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal
>>> line ends.
>>>
>>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>>
>>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>>
>>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>>
>>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I
>>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a
>>> few years before and after.
>>>
>>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> - Eric
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Great suggestion! However in this case, Antónia de São José was the mother 
of Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - pai incognito ... :(

Thanks for the advice!

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, I'm answering you in both places! 
>
> try looking at the baptisms right before her (Antonia's) marriage. 
> Sometimes the baptism isn't found by the Priest (forgot to enter it in the 
> book!) and the woman getting married has to be rebaptised right before her 
> marriage. This happened in my greatgrandmom's case. In order to be married 
> in the Catholic Church you had to be baptised and somehow recording her 
> baptism may have been missed. 
>
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Eric, I'm answering you in both places!

try looking at the baptisms right before her (Antonia's) marriage.
Sometimes the baptism isn't found by the Priest (forgot to enter it in the
book!) and the woman getting married has to be rebaptised right before her
marriage. This happened in my greatgrandmom's case. In order to be married
in the Catholic Church you had to be baptised and somehow recording her
baptism may have been missed.



Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> I've been searching for the birth record for my third
> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the
> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) -
> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal
> line ends.
>
> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>
> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>
> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>
> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I
> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a
> few years before and after.
>
> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>
> Thanks!
> - Eric
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] PBS Genealogy Roadshow-- Azorean story

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I watched it last night and found it good. Thanks 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH


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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PBS Genealogy Roadshow-- Azorean story

:) I'm glad you were able to view it. It was a good piece but seemed brief. The 
immigrant ancestor was a whaler in the 1860's.




On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:23:08 PM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote:
> I missed it timewise here tonight but I did watch it on my iphone...surname 
> Andrade from Azores.
> 
> 
> "E"
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:00 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you, Linda.  I have been aware of this coming and wondered when I would 
> be able to see it here in CA.
> 
> 
> "E"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:40 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> This evening's show features a segment around a woman wanting to know more 
> about her Portuguese/Azorean connection.
> 
> Providence, RI
> 
> You should be able to watch the episode here in a day or so:
> 
> http://www.pbs.org/show/genealogy-roadshow/
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