Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Confessional Roll abbreviations

[Walt Teixeira]

Christian, Contact Tammy Jesso - I know she can help you with the marriage 
record for Manoel and Maria.

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 11:43:41 PM UTC-5, Walt Teixeira wrote:
>
> Christian,
>
> I found a baptism for Francisco in Praia, Baptism records 1826-1833, Image 
> 0084, Top Right, date of birth 1 Nov 1832.  Father - Manuel Machado & 
> Mother - Maria do Rosario. Paternal Grandmother - Rosa Maria - single.  
> Maternal Grandparents - Francisco Jose Espinola and Maria do Rosario.  Is 
> this the baptism record you have for their son Francisco?
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 2:57:42 AM UTC-5, Christian Day wrote:
>>
>> p.s. Tammy, if you ever find Manuel (or Manoel) Jose (Joze) Machado 
>> around 1800 to 1806 let me know. My ancestry research says he was from 
>> Feiteira, Graciosa but that come up as Feteira, I think, on the Tombo.pt 
>> site and I haven't had much luck. While I know his general info from his 
>> son's baptismal records, I'm not really sure where he's from. Manuel's wife 
>> is Maria do Rozario. If you ever come across them, please let me know. 
>> According to his grandson's baptism, he was apparently was born to an 
>> unknown father and a "Roza Maria."
>>
>> I also took this image of Manuel's son Francisco's baptism from another 
>> Ancestry user but I haven't gone through to see the original at the Azores 
>> site. However, it seems like Manuel should have been in Sao Mateus or Praia 
>> (which are listed separately on Tombo.pt I think) also though there's 
>> something about Feiteira that the Ancestry user put in and my sense is it's 
>> a mistake.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:26:32 PM UTC-5, Tammy Jesso wrote:
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> If you need any help, I'd be more then happy to help you. I've done lots 
>>> of research in Sao Mateus, Graciosa 
>>>
>>> Tammy Jesso
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christian Day  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I've been buried in the confessional rolls of Graciosa trying to find my 
>>> ancestors Manual Machado (b.abt.1805), his son Francisco Machado, and his 
>>> son Jacintho Machado but last names are not often used. For example, the 
>>> following document seems like it could be my Manuel Machado and two 
>>> children I wasn't aware he had, but his name is abbreviated. I saw "Maxado" 
>>> spelled out on another page and yes, I know that the 'X' is used in place 
>>> of the 'ch' but I wonder why they abbreviate it some places and not others 
>>> and if anyone has a key to these abbreviations.
>>>
>>> The example I'm asking about is in the lower right of this page:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-S-1867-1869/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-S-1867-1869_item1/P73.html
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>>
>>> Christian
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Confessional Roll abbreviations

[Walt Teixeira]

Christian,

I found a baptism for Francisco in Praia, Baptism records 1826-1833, Image 
0084, Top Right, date of birth 1 Nov 1832.  Father - Manuel Machado & 
Mother - Maria do Rosario. Paternal Grandmother - Rosa Maria - single.  
Maternal Grandparents - Francisco Jose Espinola and Maria do Rosario.  Is 
this the baptism record you have for their son Francisco?

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 2:57:42 AM UTC-5, Christian Day wrote:
>
> p.s. Tammy, if you ever find Manuel (or Manoel) Jose (Joze) Machado around 
> 1800 to 1806 let me know. My ancestry research says he was from Feiteira, 
> Graciosa but that come up as Feteira, I think, on the Tombo.pt site and I 
> haven't had much luck. While I know his general info from his son's 
> baptismal records, I'm not really sure where he's from. Manuel's wife is 
> Maria do Rozario. If you ever come across them, please let me know. 
> According to his grandson's baptism, he was apparently was born to an 
> unknown father and a "Roza Maria."
>
> I also took this image of Manuel's son Francisco's baptism from another 
> Ancestry user but I haven't gone through to see the original at the Azores 
> site. However, it seems like Manuel should have been in Sao Mateus or Praia 
> (which are listed separately on Tombo.pt I think) also though there's 
> something about Feiteira that the Ancestry user put in and my sense is it's 
> a mistake.
>
> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:26:32 PM UTC-5, Tammy Jesso wrote:
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> If you need any help, I'd be more then happy to help you. I've done lots 
>> of research in Sao Mateus, Graciosa 
>>
>> Tammy Jesso
>>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christian Day  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've been buried in the confessional rolls of Graciosa trying to find my 
>> ancestors Manual Machado (b.abt.1805), his son Francisco Machado, and his 
>> son Jacintho Machado but last names are not often used. For example, the 
>> following document seems like it could be my Manuel Machado and two 
>> children I wasn't aware he had, but his name is abbreviated. I saw "Maxado" 
>> spelled out on another page and yes, I know that the 'X' is used in place 
>> of the 'ch' but I wonder why they abbreviate it some places and not others 
>> and if anyone has a key to these abbreviations.
>>
>> The example I'm asking about is in the lower right of this page:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-S-1867-1869/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-S-1867-1869_item1/P73.html
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Christian
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Confessional Roll abbreviations

[Walt Teixeira]

Very well put Cheri.  That should help clarify it for a lot of people.  
Yes, sometimes they will put sections or areas of the village and sometimes 
they will put street names and even path descriptions to describe where the 
person resided.

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 1:17:44 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Christian,
>
> Let's say you are moving to Omaha, Nebraska. You find an real estate agent 
> to show you some homes. First he shows you a home in the Conestoga part of 
> Omaha. Too quaint for your taste. Then he shows you a home in the Deer Park 
> section of Omaha. Too rustic. Then he shows you one in the Happy Heights 
> section and you absolutely love it. So you tell all your friends to go to 
> realtor.com and type in 1234 Happy Dance Rd, Omaha, NE to see your new 
> home. You didn't tell them 1234 Happy Dance Rd, Happy Heights, NE. And they 
> aren't going to mail your birthday card to Happy Heights either. They are 
> going to mail it to Omaha.
>
> So when you are reading the Portuguese records, you will see them 
> sometimes mention the neighborhood of that freguesia, and sometimes, even 
> the street name. Feteira is just a neighborhood Luz or Sao Mateus or 
> wherever you were researching.
>
> Now I have a homework assignment for you. Go here and print out this map 
> of Graciosa and its 4 freguesias:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/graciosa.html
>
> Memorize that Guadalupe (the freguesia) has a church named Nossa Senhora 
> da Guadalupe. Luz (the freguesia) has a church named Nossa Senhora da Luz. 
> Praia (the freguesia) has a church named Sao Mateus. And Santa Cruz (the 
> freguesia) has church named Santa Cruz.
>
> The Portuguese records are housed by freguesia (villages) just like you 
> have to search realtor.com by city. Not neighborhood. It's nice to know 
> (you can put that info in your genealogy program), but you need to register 
> the event (baptism, marriage, death) by the freguesia it occurred in. If 
> you are using someone else's tree as a guide and they are doing the Happy 
> Heights thing, well, that is why you are confused.
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Christian,

You are welcome.  Found the birth record.  It is *Pastor*, bottom right.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1809-1820/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1809-1820_item1/P22.html

Also found his marriage record, bottom left.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1825-1860/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1825-1860_item1/P30.html

Take care,


On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Christian Day 
wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> Thank you. That helps a lot. I also spoke to a man from Lisbon whose
> native language is Portuguese and he mentioned that Pastor is the word used
> for a Pastor and that Pastorinho is a proper and approved name. I'm going
> to look for his birth record and see what I can find out.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Christian
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:30:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Christian,
>>
>> If I may; Pastor is the name, Pastorinho is the diminuitive of Pastor.
>> It can be used interchangeably. To be certain which might be the original
>> name, you will have to look up his birth record.
>>
>> Pastor as first name is not indicative of the office of herding sheep.
>> And it definitely has nothing to do with Catholics on the island.  It is an
>> old first name used in the latin countries, in France is common to see
>> Pasteur.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who
>>> Christian is after.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi there,

 In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor
 of mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to
 as Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate.
 Would this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind?
 I'm guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that
 word for Catholics there?

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
 GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH BAPTISM TRANSLATION

[Sandra Perez]

Carmen,

This is from RR:

11 -   João de Teves, marítimo, que casou de 32 anos em S. José de ponta
Delgada a 15.7.1870 com Maria de Jesus de 20 anos, filha de João Ferreira,
camponês e Helena Joaquina.

10 - Jacinto de Teves, que casou de 27 anos em S. José de Ponta Delgada a
1.3.1835 com Ana de Jesus de 21 anos filha de Manuel Tavares e Jacinta Rosa.

Tiveram:

11 -   António de Teve, que casou de 20 anos em S. José de ponta Delgada a
22.4.1860 com Maria Cândida, de 26 anos, filha de Francisco Tavares e Maria
Cândida.

11 -   Manuel de Teves, marítimo que casou de 31 anos em S. José de Ponta
Delgada a 8.5.1870 com sua parenta em 3.º e 4.º grau Sabina Augusta, filha
de Francisco Cabral e Francisca Cândida.

11 -   Francisco de Teves, marítimo que casou de 34 anos em S. José de
Ponta Delgada a 25.4.1876 com Luísa Cândida (Cap.º 401.º § 3.º, N.º 7).

11 -   Jacinta de Jesus, casou de 24 anos em S. José de Ponta Delgada a
5.5.1879 com Francisco Jacinto, marítimo de 30 anos filho de António
Jacinto e Ana Augusta.

10 - João de Teves, pescador, casou aos 31 anos em S. José de Ponta Delgada
a 18.3.1834 com Maria de Jesus filha de João Botelho e Maria Rosa.




On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 3:40 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
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> hi everyone
>
> thanks for the correction
>
> i found a birth date for francesco on a family tree on ancestry - october
> 18, 1854
>
> here's his marriage to jacinta de jesus
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879_item1/P273.html
>
> may 5 1879
>
> his parents - António Jacintho & Anna Augusta
> her parents - Jacinto de Teves & Anna de Jesús
>
> if i'm reading it right he is 30 and she is 24
>
> that would make his birth date around 1840
>
> back searching
>
> thank you
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> On Sun, 9/4/16, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH BAPTISM TRANSLATION
>  To: "azores" 
>  Date: Sunday, September 4, 2016, 2:11 PM
>
>  Carmen, it
>  is a girl, you got it
>  FranciscA
>  Baptism date: 07-Oct-1855
>
>  Parents:  Antonio
>  Jacintho (Jacinto) and Ana deJesus.Maternal
>  GP: the name is Francisco and Francisca (with an
>  "I")
>  Margaret
>  On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 1:23
>  PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
>  hi
>  everyone
>
>
>
>  need help with this one
>
>
>
>  http://culturacores.azores.
>  gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>  PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855/SMG-PD- SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855_item1/
>  P153.html
>
>
>
>  francesco
>
>
>
>  birth - october 1 1855
>
>  baptism - october 8 1855
>
>
>
>  parents - António Jacintho & Anna de Jesús
>
>  grandparents - Jacintho Antonio & Maria Jacintha
>
>  grandparents - Francesco da Costa & Francesca de
>  Jesús
>
>
>
>  thank you
>
>
>
>  Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH BAPTISM TRANSLATION

['carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy]

hi everyone

thanks for the correction

i found a birth date for francesco on a family tree on ancestry - october 18, 
1854

here's his marriage to jacinta de jesus

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879_item1/P273.html

may 5 1879

his parents - António Jacintho & Anna Augusta
her parents - Jacinto de Teves & Anna de Jesús

if i'm reading it right he is 30 and she is 24

that would make his birth date around 1840

back searching

thank you

Carmen M. Furtado 

  
   
    


On Sun, 9/4/16, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH BAPTISM TRANSLATION
 To: "azores" 
 Date: Sunday, September 4, 2016, 2:11 PM
 
 Carmen, it
 is a girl, you got it
 FranciscA
 Baptism date: 07-Oct-1855
 
 Parents:  Antonio
 Jacintho (Jacinto) and Ana deJesus.Maternal
 GP: the name is Francisco and Francisca (with an
 "I")
 Margaret
 On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 1:23
 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
 hi 
 everyone
 
 
 
 need help with this one
 
 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855/SMG-PD- SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855_item1/
 P153.html
 
 
 
 francesco
 
 
 
 birth - october 1 1855
 
 baptism - october 8 1855
 
 
 
 parents - António Jacintho & Anna de Jesús
 
 grandparents - Jacintho Antonio & Maria Jacintha
 
 grandparents - Francesco da Costa & Francesca de
 Jesús
 
 
 
 thank you
 
 
 
 Carmen M. Furtado
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
    
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

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Pastorinho is a given name. Although a rare given name it exist. This is 
Graciosa, where unusual given names appear!
João VenturaTerceira


  From: Cheri Mello 
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Occupations always appear AFTER a name. Christian needs to look for 
Pastor/Pastorinho.

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On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kyle Pereira  wrote:

Pastorinho is definitely a name, not an occupation. Like Mara said, it's 
diminutive of Pastor. Not an extremely common name. When searching, keep both 
Pastorinho and Pastor in mind, as well as Jose because he may have gone by that 
instead.

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 1:21:44 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who Christian 
is after. 

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On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day  wrote:

Hi there,
In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor of mine 
named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to as Pastor. 
Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate. Would this have 
been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind? I'm guessing no 
because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that word for Catholics 
there?
http://culturacores.azores.gov .pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC- 
GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC- GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/ P35.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

[Cheri Mello]

Occupations always appear AFTER a name. Christian needs to look for
Pastor/Pastorinho.

Cheri Mello
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On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kyle Pereira 
wrote:

> Pastorinho is definitely a name, not an occupation. Like Mara said, it's
> diminutive of Pastor. Not an extremely common name. When searching, keep
> both Pastorinho and Pastor in mind, as well as Jose because he may have
> gone by that instead.
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 1:21:44 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who
>> Christian is after.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor
>>> of mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to
>>> as Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate.
>>> Would this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind?
>>> I'm guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that
>>> word for Catholics there?
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>>> GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

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Pastorinho is definitely a name, not an occupation. Like Mara said, it's 
diminutive of Pastor. Not an extremely common name. When searching, keep 
both Pastorinho and Pastor in mind, as well as Jose because he may have 
gone by that instead.

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 1:21:44 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who 
> Christian is after. 
>
> Cheri Mello
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>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day  > wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor 
>> of mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to 
>> as Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate. 
>> Would this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind? 
>> I'm guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that 
>> word for Catholics there?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

[Christian Day]

Hi Margaret,

Thank you. That helps a lot. I also spoke to a man from Lisbon whose native 
language is Portuguese and he mentioned that Pastor is the word used for a 
Pastor and that Pastorinho is a proper and approved name. I'm going to look 
for his birth record and see what I can find out.

Many thanks!

Christian

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:30:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Christian,
>
> If I may; Pastor is the name, Pastorinho is the diminuitive of Pastor.  It 
> can be used interchangeably. To be certain which might be the original 
> name, you will have to look up his birth record.
>
> Pastor as first name is not indicative of the office of herding sheep.  
> And it definitely has nothing to do with Catholics on the island.  It is an 
> old first name used in the latin countries, in France is common to see 
> Pasteur.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who 
>> Christian is after. 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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>>
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor 
>>> of mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to 
>>> as Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate. 
>>> Would this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind? 
>>> I'm guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that 
>>> word for Catholics there?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

[Cheri Mello]

Good to know. I don't research Graciosa and had never seen the name. When I
checked on the list approved names (as of 2014), it wasn't even on there. I
didn't know what to think, so I told Christian to post it. Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

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Christian,

If I may; Pastor is the name, Pastorinho is the diminuitive of Pastor.  It
can be used interchangeably. To be certain which might be the original
name, you will have to look up his birth record.

Pastor as first name is not indicative of the office of herding sheep.  And
it definitely has nothing to do with Catholics on the island.  It is an old
first name used in the latin countries, in France is common to see Pasteur.

Hope this helps.



On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who
> Christian is after.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor
>> of mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to
>> as Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate.
>> Would this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind?
>> I'm guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that
>> word for Catholics there?
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

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Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who
Christian is after.

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> Hi there,
>
> In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor of
> mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to as
> Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate. Would
> this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind? I'm
> guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that word
> for Catholics there?
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-
> SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

[Christian Day]

Hi there,

In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor of 
mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to as 
Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate. Would 
this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind? I'm 
guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that word 
for Catholics there?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Confessional Roll abbreviations

[Cheri Mello]

Christian,

Let's say you are moving to Omaha, Nebraska. You find an real estate agent
to show you some homes. First he shows you a home in the Conestoga part of
Omaha. Too quaint for your taste. Then he shows you a home in the Deer Park
section of Omaha. Too rustic. Then he shows you one in the Happy Heights
section and you absolutely love it. So you tell all your friends to go to
realtor.com and type in 1234 Happy Dance Rd, Omaha, NE to see your new
home. You didn't tell them 1234 Happy Dance Rd, Happy Heights, NE. And they
aren't going to mail your birthday card to Happy Heights either. They are
going to mail it to Omaha.

So when you are reading the Portuguese records, you will see them sometimes
mention the neighborhood of that freguesia, and sometimes, even the street
name. Feteira is just a neighborhood Luz or Sao Mateus or wherever you were
researching.

Now I have a homework assignment for you. Go here and print out this map of
Graciosa and its 4 freguesias:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/graciosa.html

Memorize that Guadalupe (the freguesia) has a church named Nossa Senhora da
Guadalupe. Luz (the freguesia) has a church named Nossa Senhora da Luz.
Praia (the freguesia) has a church named Sao Mateus. And Santa Cruz (the
freguesia) has church named Santa Cruz.

The Portuguese records are housed by freguesia (villages) just like you
have to search realtor.com by city. Not neighborhood. It's nice to know
(you can put that info in your genealogy program), but you need to register
the event (baptism, marriage, death) by the freguesia it occurred in. If
you are using someone else's tree as a guide and they are doing the Happy
Heights thing, well, that is why you are confused.
Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: NEED HELP WITH BAPTISM TRANSLATION

[linda]

Hi Carmen,

I'm seeing mostly the same as what you have, except:

I'm reading Francisco/a, spelled with an "i",

I see "sete" ,7, for the baptism, 

and for the second godparent I see Guimar de [Jesus?], "solteiros, tios 
maternos" of the child

hope that helps,

:)
Linda



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> hi  everyone 
>
> need help with this one 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855_item1/P153.html
>  
>
> francesco 
>
> birth - october 1 1855 
> baptism - october 8 1855 
>
> parents - António Jacintho & Anna de Jesús 
> grandparents - Jacintho Antonio & Maria Jacintha 
> grandparents - Francesco da Costa & Francesca de Jesús 
>
> thank you 
>
> Carmen M. Furtado 
>
>   
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH BAPTISM TRANSLATION

[Margaret Vicente]

Carmen, it is a girl, you got it

Francisc*A*


*Baptism date: 07-Oct-1855*

*Parents: * Antonio Jacintho (Jacinto) and Ana deJesus.
*Maternal GP: *the name is Francisco and Francisca (with an "I")

Margaret

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> hi  everyone
>
> need help with this one
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855_item1/P153.html
>
> francesco
>
> birth - october 1 1855
> baptism - october 8 1855
>
> parents - António Jacintho & Anna de Jesús
> grandparents - Jacintho Antonio & Maria Jacintha
> grandparents - Francesco da Costa & Francesca de Jesús
>
> thank you
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obituaries?

[linda]

Thanks MaryAnn!

That book is available via Google Books too, making it easy to download and 
put on a reader.  But, being able to access the images directly through the 
culturacores site is much better for extracting the images.

thanks again!
:)

Linda

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 7:32:02 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote:
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> This is a book with interesting tidbits of information about the island of 
> São Miguel - there are drawings of building at the very end.
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/ALBUMMICAELENSE-1869/ALBUMMICAELENSE-1869_item1/P4.html
>
> MaryAnn
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> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
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>> Jeremy, 
>> Go to:  culturacores.azores.gov.pt/bd , click on *Pesquisar* and when 
>> that loads click on *Imprensa.* That will take you to all of the 
>> newspapers that are available. I think, though, that there is not one for 
>> Sao Jorge they are mostly Terceira and Sao Miguel. 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 10:03 PM, 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
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>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> It just occurred to me, as I am seeking information on a few aunts and 
>>> uncles that died in the 1930s and 1940s to ask wether or not SaO Jorge had 
>>> a newspaper? I'm sure it did, but the title would be greatly appreciated. 
>>> I'm also curious as to wether they would have some sort of death notice 
>>> anyway similar to what we would have here in the states. Furthermore if 
>>> there is a digital repositories of such a paper?!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obituaries?

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Thanks a zillion Rosemarie!2

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions about property ownership Maia, Ribeira Grande Early 1900s

[Kyle Pereira]

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 1:33:23 PM UTC-5, IslandRoutes wrote:
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> I have a couple of questions for my cousin.  She's trying to solve some 
> family mysteries which may revolved around a piece of property in Maia, 
> Ribeira Grande.
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> As the story goes, her grandmother went back and forth between Fall River, 
> MA and Maia a couple of times.  She had a home in Fall River but also one 
> in Maia.  I think at one point she stayed a couple of years in Maia then 
> returned to Fall River.  It is said that she had someone in Maia who took 
> care of the house for her.  She had planned to return in the 30s, but her 
> sons didn't want to go back and didn't want the house. Her sons and 
> daughters all had their own families and lives in America.
>
> She died in Fall River in 1947.  She was a widow, we think (her husband 
> disappeared in the early 1920s...divorce, died, maybe left for Canada...we 
> don't know).  Her son said that she own property in Maia.  But, when she 
> died he never bothered to do anything about it.  There was no paperwork.  
>
> First, the property would have been bought maybe 1910-1920.  Could an 
> Azorean woman one property at that time in the Azores?
>
> Second, if she really did own this property, what would have happened to 
> it when she died?  Would their have been some sort of probate process in 
> the Azores?  Would it have passed down to some relative in the Azores?  All 
> her children were in America at the time.  It does not look as if anyone 
> pursued the property by trying to claim rights or trying to sell it.  
>
> Anyone ever deal with something like this or would they have considered 
> the property abandoned after a certain amount of time and then sold by the 
> government?
>
> Thanks for any insights,
> Mel
>

"Could an Azorean woman one property at that time in the Azores?"

Yes. I have female relatives from slightly before that time who owned 
properties in the same area.

"Second, if she really did own this property, what would have happened to 
it when she died?  Would their have been some sort of probate process in 
the Azores?  Would it have passed down to some relative in the Azores?  All 
her children were in America at the time.  It does not look as if anyone 
pursued the property by trying to claim rights or trying to sell it."

Generally speaking if there is no will or claim to the property, it will be 
seized by the government and resold. If nobody claimed it, there's a decent 
chance that's what happened. As to how to go about getting that sort of 
information, I don't know. It's possible that the municipal hall in Ribeira 
Grande would have those records. I doubt they'd be available online, though.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH BAPTISM TRANSLATION

['carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy]

hi  everyone

need help with this one

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855_item1/P153.html

francesco

birth - october 1 1855
baptism - october 8 1855

parents - António Jacintho & Anna de Jesús
grandparents - Jacintho Antonio & Maria Jacintha
grandparents - Francesco da Costa & Francesca de Jesús

thank you

Carmen M. Furtado 

  
   
    

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with 1837 baptismo n Sao Mateus, Pico- Emilia, daughter of Jose Silveira Homem and Angelica Luiza

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Cheri,
I was looking for the record as well and didn't find it.  I am going to go back 
to the baptismos and look there because I did find some obitos in that book.
I wonder what is going on?  Thanks for your help.
Deb When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!

 
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Emilia, daughter of Jose Silveira Homem and Angelica Luiza
   
I didn't find the death for the Antonia/o in 1837. Weird, it says Emilia has a 
twin (gemios (sp) which is crossed out). And what looks like obito by the 
twin's name. Something is weird with this record.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obituaries?

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This is a book with interesting tidbits of information about the island of
São Miguel - there are drawings of building at the very end.

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/ALBUMMICAELENSE-1869/ALBUMMICAELENSE-1869_item1/P4.html

MaryAnn

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> Go to:  culturacores.azores.gov.pt/bd , click on *Pesquisar* and when
> that loads click on *Imprensa.* That will take you to all of the
> newspapers that are available. I think, though, that there is not one for
> Sao Jorge they are mostly Terceira and Sao Miguel.
>
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 10:03 PM, 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy <
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>> Hello.
>>
>> It just occurred to me, as I am seeking information on a few aunts and
>> uncles that died in the 1930s and 1940s to ask wether or not SaO Jorge had
>> a newspaper? I'm sure it did, but the title would be greatly appreciated.
>> I'm also curious as to wether they would have some sort of death notice
>> anyway similar to what we would have here in the states. Furthermore if
>> there is a digital repositories of such a paper?!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obituaries?

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Jeremy,
Go to:  culturacores.azores.gov.pt/bd , click on *Pesquisar* and when that
loads click on *Imprensa.* That will take you to all of the newspapers that
are available. I think, though, that there is not one for Sao Jorge they
are mostly Terceira and Sao Miguel.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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> Hello.
>
> It just occurred to me, as I am seeking information on a few aunts and
> uncles that died in the 1930s and 1940s to ask wether or not SaO Jorge had
> a newspaper? I'm sure it did, but the title would be greatly appreciated.
> I'm also curious as to wether they would have some sort of death notice
> anyway similar to what we would have here in the states. Furthermore if
> there is a digital repositories of such a paper?!
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> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Family Tree

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Good luck, Kyle. This time next year you will be amazed at how much you have 
discovered. 

John
 

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 11:21 PM, Kyle Pereira 
 wrote:
 

 Thanks for the help and pointing in the right direction. I just spoke with my 
mother who remembers what her mother and grandmother told her. I'm fairly 
certain based on that conversation that the Carolina in question is the right 
one, but I'll be doing more verification wherever I can. Thanks again!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Confessional Roll abbreviations

[Christian Day]

p.s. Tammy, if you ever find Manuel (or Manoel) Jose (Joze) Machado around 
1800 to 1806 let me know. My ancestry research says he was from Feiteira, 
Graciosa but that come up as Feteira, I think, on the Tombo.pt site and I 
haven't had much luck. While I know his general info from his son's 
baptismal records, I'm not really sure where he's from. Manuel's wife is 
Maria do Rozario. If you ever come across them, please let me know. 
According to his grandson's baptism, he was apparently was born to an 
unknown father and a "Roza Maria."

I also took this image of Manuel's son Francisco's baptism from another 
Ancestry user but I haven't gone through to see the original at the Azores 
site. However, it seems like Manuel should have been in Sao Mateus or Praia 
(which are listed separately on Tombo.pt I think) also though there's 
something about Feiteira that the Ancestry user put in and my sense is it's 
a mistake.

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> Christian
>
> If you need any help, I'd be more then happy to help you. I've done lots 
> of research in Sao Mateus, Graciosa 
>
> Tammy Jesso
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>
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christian Day  > wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> I've been buried in the confessional rolls of Graciosa trying to find my 
> ancestors Manual Machado (b.abt.1805), his son Francisco Machado, and his 
> son Jacintho Machado but last names are not often used. For example, the 
> following document seems like it could be my Manuel Machado and two 
> children I wasn't aware he had, but his name is abbreviated. I saw "Maxado" 
> spelled out on another page and yes, I know that the 'X' is used in place 
> of the 'ch' but I wonder why they abbreviate it some places and not others 
> and if anyone has a key to these abbreviations.
>
> The example I'm asking about is in the lower right of this page:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-S-1867-1869/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-S-1867-1869_item1/P73.html
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> Many thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Making sense of 2 Norte Pequeno Marginal Notations

['j Bc' via Azores Genealogy]

Ahhh. That makes alot of sense. Thanks very much Linda and Cheri! It's 
greatly appreciated... a pity those death books aren't online ;-) but I'm 
thrilled to have the date!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madelena (?) Rosa, B 1688 Sao Mateus, need help with O...

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary,

These same facts provided by Marie were the ones I found of CITCEM and in 
Amorim's book. So, Madalena may be Margarida. 

Gayle



> On Sep 2, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Seekgene via Azores Genealogy 
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> Mary, I think that you mean the daughter, Margarida Garcia (1688-1765) in S 
> Mateus, Madalena, Pico.  She married Antonio Costa Soares on 7 June 1718.  
> Margarida is my 7th gg Aunt.  Her parents are my 8th gg parents.  So, are we 
> related?  Ate logo,...Marie Pleasant
>  
> In a message dated 9/2/2016 2:07:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> pimwh...@gmail.com writes:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782_item1/P72.htm
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Making sense of 2 Norte Pequeno Marginal Notations

[Cheri Mello]

Antonio's looks like:
Died in the freguesia of Sao Lazaro (church of Sao Lazaro?) of this council
on the day
18 November something register of death number something something
oito page 69 backside, of the book No. 30 ..a bunch of stuff I can't read...
...more stuff I can't read (I'm not an owl that can turn my head sideways)
18 November 1939

I think Antonio died 18 Nov 1939 in Norte Pequeno, which is the Sao Lazaro
church.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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