[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: date needed
Hi Liz, Yes it is 13 and 17 march. Philippe Garnier Paris - France http://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira Le lundi 12 décembre 2016 23:40:49 UTC+1, Lizmig a écrit : > > Hello, > > Can anyone tell me the date of Birth and Baptism of Anthony upper left > side. > i think it's birth the 13th and bapt. the 17th but not sure. > Also what are the notes on the left column something about 1935? > > thx > Liz > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1804-1813/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1804-1813_item1/P79.html > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Movie - The Epic Journey of Portuguese Jesuits of the 17th Century
Watched the trailer on FB. Can't wait to see it all Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Marilyn Thompson wrote: > > Is this movie done in English or Portuguese? > > >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:47 PM, "E" Sharp wrote: >> Martin Scorsese premiered this movie at Vatican City and Pope Francis Nov. >> 29 and it will be released in selected theaters in the U. S. December 23, >> and nationwide Jan 6. 2017. It tells the story of 2 Portuguese Jesuit >> missionaries in 17th century Japan. >> >> My dear, dear, Jesuit friend,Father Martin SCU, deceased, would have loved >> this movie and I will honor his memory and can't wait to see it. >> >> "E" >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900?
I found the reference I had in mind. This information is specific to Sao Miguel island for 1863 or 1864. I don't know how much it can be generalized either to the other islands or to later in the century, but it does provide a little window on the state of education in one place at one point in time. Source: Supico, Francisco Maria 1864 Almanach do Archipelago dos Acores: Estatistico, Historico, Recreativo e Noticioso. Typographia da Persuasao, Ponta Delgada, pages 52-56. Number of Primary Schools for Boys: 20 public schools attended by 1234 students 8 municipal schools attended by 428 students 14 private schools attended by 538 students total = 2,200 students Number of Primary Schools for Girls: 5 public schools attended by 334 students 4 municipal schools attended by 308 students 63 private schools attended by 1,460 students total = 2,102 students [I believe the difference between public and municipal schools was that the first were funded by the Portuguese government and the second, by the Camara Municipal.] Supico notes that included in the attendance numbers of the girls' private schools, there are 84 boy students, so the actual total number of boys attending primary school is raised to 2,284 and the total number of girls is reduced to 2,018. Relative to the total population of both sexes on the island, the proportions of school attendance were therefore established to be: males, 4.532 per 100 individuals [4.532% of the boys on the island of San Miguel attended primary school in 1863 or 1864] females, 3.600 per 100 individuals [3.6% of the girls on the island] Supico makes the explicit point that "Nenhum districto do continente e ilhas apresenta um resultado tao satisfactorio sobre a instruccao do sexo feminino." (page 52) "No district of the Continent or the Islands demonstrates such a satisfactory result dealing with the instruction of the feminine sex." In comparison, he notes that Lisbon came closest with 2.236% of the girls there attending school, and if all the districts of the continent were taken together, only 0.861% of the girls on the mainland attended school. Supico further notes that after the stats were collected, new co-ed public free schools were opened by the Municipa Camara of Ponta Delgada, but their attendence figures weren't available to be included in his totals. The implication being that education rates were somewhat higher than he could statistically demonstrate. Secondary education: There were about 200 students enrolled in private secondary education. There was also free secondary education for both male and female students available at 4 legally credentialed institutions. These "collegios" offered instruction in Portuguese, French, English, Latin, "latinidade" [Classics??], drawing, music and dance, and they had 130 regularly attending students. Moreover, there were also almost as many students who received instruction from uncredentialed teachers who, according to Supico, "weren't much inferior to those of the authorized institutions" ["mestres sem habilitacao legal, nao sera muito inferio as dos collegios authorisados"]. Additionally, Supico noted that some of the teachers give lessons in the students homes, and these students were not included in his stats. I hope all this info is of interest to some of you-- I know I find it fascinating :). I think discussing the culture and history of the islands can provide some valuable insights into our shared heritage and genealogies. I know in my case, I'm continually trying to understand my family in the context of their original culture and how as immigrants they adapted (and often didn't) to the culture of their adopted home in California. I read the anecdotes shared here with interest because of how they compare and contrast with the stories handed down in my own family. And they help me to remember that my broad assumptions about "life in the old country/old days" aren't always accurate. The education rates in the Azores in the 19th century were woefully low compared to what we have come to expect, but who would have guessed that in Sao Miguel in 1863 a girl had nearly as good a chance of getting a bit of schooling as a boy? Not me! Nor would I have ever thought that an Azorean island had a better record of sending girls to school than anywhere on the continent! Or that--apparently--girls' schooling was important enough to some [wealthier?] families to support about three times as many girls' private schools as there were boys' public schools and this was how most of the girls were educated... just fascinating... Anyway, as they say, "thank a school teacher if you can read this"--and thanks to Cheri for the work you do to keep the Azores Group ticking over. :D Linda On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 2:09:46 PM UTC-8, Samantha B wrote: > > Culturally how common was it for women to be literate/educated at the turn > of last cent
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Movie - The Epic Journey of Portuguese Jesuits of the 17th Century
Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for it. :D Linda On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 2:47:58 PM UTC-8, "E" Sharp wrote: > > Martin Scorsese premiered this movie at Vatican City and Pope Francis Nov. > 29 and it will be released in selected theaters in the U. S. December 23, > and nationwide Jan 6. 2017. It tells the story of 2 Portuguese Jesuit > missionaries in 17th century Japan. > > My dear, dear, Jesuit friend,Father Martin SCU, deceased, would have loved > this movie and I will honor his memory and can't wait to see it. > > "E" > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Movie - The Epic Journey of Portuguese Jesuits of the 17th Century
Thanks I found a trailer for it. Not my type of movie On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > I believe it is called "Silence" and is done in the English language with > American actors. Cheri > On Dec 12, 2016 2:47 PM, E" Sharp" wrote: > >> Martin Scorsese premiered this movie at Vatican City and Pope Francis >> Nov. 29 and it will be released in selected theaters in the U. S. December >> 23, and nationwide Jan 6. 2017. It tells the story of 2 Portuguese Jesuit >> missionaries in 17th century Japan. >> >> My dear, dear, Jesuit friend,Father Martin SCU, deceased, would have >> loved this movie and I will honor his memory and can't wait to see it. >> >> "E" >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Movie - The Epic Journey of Portuguese Jesuits of the 17th Century
I believe it is called "Silence" and is done in the English language with American actors. Cheri On Dec 12, 2016 2:47 PM, E" Sharp" wrote: > Martin Scorsese premiered this movie at Vatican City and Pope Francis Nov. > 29 and it will be released in selected theaters in the U. S. December 23, > and nationwide Jan 6. 2017. It tells the story of 2 Portuguese Jesuit > missionaries in 17th century Japan. > > My dear, dear, Jesuit friend,Father Martin SCU, deceased, would have loved > this movie and I will honor his memory and can't wait to see it. > > "E" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Movie - The Epic Journey of Portuguese Jesuits of the 17th Century
Is this movie done in English or Portuguese? On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:47 PM, "E" Sharp wrote: > Martin Scorsese premiered this movie at Vatican City and Pope Francis Nov. > 29 and it will be released in selected theaters in the U. S. December 23, > and nationwide Jan 6. 2017. It tells the story of 2 Portuguese Jesuit > missionaries in 17th century Japan. > > My dear, dear, Jesuit friend,Father Martin SCU, deceased, would have loved > this movie and I will honor his memory and can't wait to see it. > > "E" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] New Movie - The Epic Journey of Portuguese Jesuits of the 17th Century
Martin Scorsese premiered this movie at Vatican City and Pope Francis Nov. 29 and it will be released in selected theaters in the U. S. December 23, and nationwide Jan 6. 2017. It tells the story of 2 Portuguese Jesuit missionaries in 17th century Japan. My dear, dear, Jesuit friend,Father Martin SCU, deceased, would have loved this movie and I will honor his memory and can't wait to see it. "E" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] date needed
Born 13? March 1811. Note says a certificate was issued 21 Sept 1835. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Elizabeth Migliori wrote: > Hello, > > Can anyone tell me the date of Birth and Baptism of Anthony upper left > side. > i think it's birth the 13th and bapt. the 17th but not sure. > Also what are the notes on the left column something about 1935? > > thx > Liz > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL- > HT-CEDROS-B-1804-1813/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1804-1813_item1/P79.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] date needed
Hello, Can anyone tell me the date of Birth and Baptism of Anthony upper left side. i think it's birth the 13th and bapt. the 17th but not sure. Also what are the notes on the left column something about 1935? thx Liz http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1804-1813/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1804-1813_item1/P79.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900?
When I was studying to be a teacher, we learned that high schools really didn't come about for everyone until shortly after 1900. At least in my state (In America, each state has their own criteria for teacher licensing). However interesting this topic may be to some, it's veering way off the topic of genealogy now. So for those who are still interested, just do a search on the Internet for literacy in _ and it will turn up lots and lots of links. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Mary Bordi wrote: > This comment is about literacy in the US but it concerns my grandmother, > whose parents were from the Azores. (I already commented that her father > could not read or write but her mother could). Grammy attended a one room > school here in California that taught 1st through 8th grade. Most children > did not go on to high school. Many didn't complete all eight grades. But at > the time Grammy was there they offered girls (specifically) an additional > year of education. She took advantage of this so I suppose her parents were > on board with it. > > This may also have been a help to the teacher who could have used a helper > with the younger children. > > Mary > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:03 AM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Education and literacy can be a bit different. And I would think the >> definition of literacy would change over time. I've worked with some Civil >> War pension files that contained letters from various relatives. I guess >> they would be considered "literate" as they wrote a letter (albeit poorly), >> however, they could not comprehend the response that was being written back >> to them. They weren't educated enough. However, that's an anecdotal example >> and we can all come up with them from our own families. The original >> question asked about female literacy around 1900. It's hard to find stats >> on just females for that time period. >> >> I was reading up more on it last night (literacy in general, not males vs >> females) and pretty much literacy did not take off world wide until after >> 1900. Here's another article with lots of graphs, stats, and pictures: >> https://goo.gl/hjGlNQ >> >> >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> *The general thinking in American English speaking people is that we tend >> to think that any one that does not speak English is uneducated. In the >> Acores in the latter part of the 19th century there were an amount of >> people that could read and write. I was very surprised when I found the >> marriage record of my great grandparents and saw that my great grandmother >> had signed the record in the most beautiful handwriting. This was in 1884 >> and she was 18 years old at the time. While she signed the marriage record >> my great grandfather did not.* >> >> *Rick* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *linda >> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:19 AM >> *To:* Azores Genealogy >> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900? >> >> >> >> >> I believe it depended on the freguesia, the family, and the individual as >> to how much schooling an individual received in the late 19th century. It >> may also be ture that for some individuals, signing their names was the >> major extent of their literacy. >> >> Anecdotal personal info: My maternal grandfather, born in 1904 in Santa >> Barbara, Terceira received some school as a child in the Azores, but though >> he was a very bright man, he didn't read easily. He did not write, but he >> could sign his name. My maternal grandmother was born (1909) in the US >> and received an 8th grade education as mandated by law (and presumably >> enforced by truant officers); I believe that she would have liked to have >> attended high school, but it wasn't considered acceptable by her parents >> for her to be in an unsupervised (in their cultural framework), mixed sex >> environment. Her father/my maternal GGF, was born in 1874, Cedros, Flores, >> and could read and write Portuguese as could his brothers. My maternal >> GGMother (born 1884 in Santa Cruz, Flores) could not read or write, >> because--according to the family story--she wasn't allowed to go to >> school. However, her oldest sister, because she was the oldest girl, was >> allowed, could read, and enjoyed reading her bible. >> >> On my father's side, I have less literacy information, but his family was >> better off, and I have a marriage from 1866--if I recall correctly-- in >> which my 2xGGM signed the record in a beautiful hand. I assume that she >> could read as well as sign her name. >> >> Documentary source
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where and when did he die
Hi, The Hospital was located in the parish of Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada. That is where you will find it in the CCA website, however, there are no records before 1845. On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:42 PM, pjm47 wrote: > After successfully going back 3 generations in Santa Cruz St Michael i > have hit a generation that i can not find anything on him i tried to find > his obit based on the wedding of his child. His name is Manuel Fragoso de > Mello probably died in the late 1700.but could not find an obit in his > parish so i wrote to the Biblotec in Ponta Delgada and received an email > saying he probably died in the hospital and his death record would be > there.Do any of you know if there is a web site for the death records at > the hospitals Thanks for any info on this > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where and when did he die
What's on the CCA site is what is available. You need the marriages of ALL children to try to establish a time line for when someone died. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:42 AM, pjm47 wrote: > After successfully going back 3 generations in Santa Cruz St Michael i > have hit a generation that i can not find anything on him i tried to find > his obit based on the wedding of his child. His name is Manuel Fragoso de > Mello probably died in the late 1700.but could not find an obit in his > parish so i wrote to the Biblotec in Ponta Delgada and received an email > saying he probably died in the hospital and his death record would be > there.Do any of you know if there is a web site for the death records at > the hospitals Thanks for any info on this > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] where and when did he die
After successfully going back 3 generations in Santa Cruz St Michael i have hit a generation that i can not find anything on him i tried to find his obit based on the wedding of his child. His name is Manuel Fragoso de Mello probably died in the late 1700.but could not find an obit in his parish so i wrote to the Biblotec in Ponta Delgada and received an email saying he probably died in the hospital and his death record would be there.Do any of you know if there is a web site for the death records at the hospitals Thanks for any info on this -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900?
This comment is about literacy in the US but it concerns my grandmother, whose parents were from the Azores. (I already commented that her father could not read or write but her mother could). Grammy attended a one room school here in California that taught 1st through 8th grade. Most children did not go on to high school. Many didn't complete all eight grades. But at the time Grammy was there they offered girls (specifically) an additional year of education. She took advantage of this so I suppose her parents were on board with it. This may also have been a help to the teacher who could have used a helper with the younger children. Mary On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:03 AM Cheri Mello wrote: > Education and literacy can be a bit different. And I would think the > definition of literacy would change over time. I've worked with some Civil > War pension files that contained letters from various relatives. I guess > they would be considered "literate" as they wrote a letter (albeit poorly), > however, they could not comprehend the response that was being written back > to them. They weren't educated enough. However, that's an anecdotal example > and we can all come up with them from our own families. The original > question asked about female literacy around 1900. It's hard to find stats > on just females for that time period. > > I was reading up more on it last night (literacy in general, not males vs > females) and pretty much literacy did not take off world wide until after > 1900. Here's another article with lots of graphs, stats, and pictures: > https://goo.gl/hjGlNQ > > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < > rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > *The general thinking in American English speaking people is that we tend > to think that any one that does not speak English is uneducated. In the > Acores in the latter part of the 19th century there were an amount of > people that could read and write. I was very surprised when I found the > marriage record of my great grandparents and saw that my great grandmother > had signed the record in the most beautiful handwriting. This was in 1884 > and she was 18 years old at the time. While she signed the marriage record > my great grandfather did not.* > > *Rick* > > > > > > > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *linda > *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:19 AM > *To:* Azores Genealogy > *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900? > > > > > I believe it depended on the freguesia, the family, and the individual as > to how much schooling an individual received in the late 19th century. It > may also be ture that for some individuals, signing their names was the > major extent of their literacy. > > Anecdotal personal info: My maternal grandfather, born in 1904 in Santa > Barbara, Terceira received some school as a child in the Azores, but though > he was a very bright man, he didn't read easily. He did not write, but he > could sign his name. My maternal grandmother was born (1909) in the US > and received an 8th grade education as mandated by law (and presumably > enforced by truant officers); I believe that she would have liked to have > attended high school, but it wasn't considered acceptable by her parents > for her to be in an unsupervised (in their cultural framework), mixed sex > environment. Her father/my maternal GGF, was born in 1874, Cedros, Flores, > and could read and write Portuguese as could his brothers. My maternal > GGMother (born 1884 in Santa Cruz, Flores) could not read or write, > because--according to the family story--she wasn't allowed to go to > school. However, her oldest sister, because she was the oldest girl, was > allowed, could read, and enjoyed reading her bible. > > On my father's side, I have less literacy information, but his family was > better off, and I have a marriage from 1866--if I recall correctly-- in > which my 2xGGM signed the record in a beautiful hand. I assume that she > could read as well as sign her name. > > Documentary sources: somewhere in my files I have some mid to late 19th > century accounts of the islands which mention literacy rates, and I think > it may actually break it down by boys and girls. If I remember rightly, > the overall rates were quite low, but were not as wide between boys and > girls as I expected. I can dig the info up, if your interested in the > stats and want me to check that. > > :) > > Linda > > > On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 2:09:46 PM UTC-8, Samantha B wrote: > > Culturally how common was it for women to be literate/educated at the turn > of last century. I'm intrigued as it was the bride who signed the marriage > record and not the groom. > > > > TIA > > Samantha > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to th
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900?
Education and literacy can be a bit different. And I would think the definition of literacy would change over time. I've worked with some Civil War pension files that contained letters from various relatives. I guess they would be considered "literate" as they wrote a letter (albeit poorly), however, they could not comprehend the response that was being written back to them. They weren't educated enough. However, that's an anecdotal example and we can all come up with them from our own families. The original question asked about female literacy around 1900. It's hard to find stats on just females for that time period. I was reading up more on it last night (literacy in general, not males vs females) and pretty much literacy did not take off world wide until after 1900. Here's another article with lots of graphs, stats, and pictures: https://goo.gl/hjGlNQ Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote: > *The general thinking in American English speaking people is that we tend > to think that any one that does not speak English is uneducated. In the > Acores in the latter part of the 19th century there were an amount of > people that could read and write. I was very surprised when I found the > marriage record of my great grandparents and saw that my great grandmother > had signed the record in the most beautiful handwriting. This was in 1884 > and she was 18 years old at the time. While she signed the marriage record > my great grandfather did not.* > > *Rick* > > > > > > > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *linda > *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:19 AM > *To:* Azores Genealogy > *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900? > > > > > I believe it depended on the freguesia, the family, and the individual as > to how much schooling an individual received in the late 19th century. It > may also be ture that for some individuals, signing their names was the > major extent of their literacy. > > Anecdotal personal info: My maternal grandfather, born in 1904 in Santa > Barbara, Terceira received some school as a child in the Azores, but though > he was a very bright man, he didn't read easily. He did not write, but he > could sign his name. My maternal grandmother was born (1909) in the US > and received an 8th grade education as mandated by law (and presumably > enforced by truant officers); I believe that she would have liked to have > attended high school, but it wasn't considered acceptable by her parents > for her to be in an unsupervised (in their cultural framework), mixed sex > environment. Her father/my maternal GGF, was born in 1874, Cedros, Flores, > and could read and write Portuguese as could his brothers. My maternal > GGMother (born 1884 in Santa Cruz, Flores) could not read or write, > because--according to the family story--she wasn't allowed to go to > school. However, her oldest sister, because she was the oldest girl, was > allowed, could read, and enjoyed reading her bible. > > On my father's side, I have less literacy information, but his family was > better off, and I have a marriage from 1866--if I recall correctly-- in > which my 2xGGM signed the record in a beautiful hand. I assume that she > could read as well as sign her name. > > Documentary sources: somewhere in my files I have some mid to late 19th > century accounts of the islands which mention literacy rates, and I think > it may actually break it down by boys and girls. If I remember rightly, > the overall rates were quite low, but were not as wide between boys and > girls as I expected. I can dig the info up, if your interested in the > stats and want me to check that. > > :) > > Linda > > > On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 2:09:46 PM UTC-8, Samantha B wrote: > > Culturally how common was it for women to be literate/educated at the turn > of last century. I'm intrigued as it was the bride who signed the marriage > record and not the groom. > > > > TIA > > Samantha > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegro
