date:20170205

Right side, 2nd down 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P31.html

Is the groom's last name Rodrigues , son of Pedro Gonçalves and Luzia 
Rodrigues??   

Then the fifth line down it says something  about the widow "aversão something 
or other 3 announcements??  

Her husband, Hieronimo, died 3 months prior!  They had 3 kids.

Any help will be great!  Thank you


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

Oops!  You're right.  Thank you.  

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 8:29 PM, JR  wrote:
> 
> I hope I didn't confuse anyone with my JR, which stands for John Roias. 
> Although I wrote posting on Teresa, you are perhaps directing your remarks to 
> John Raposo.
> 
> JRoias
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 7:32:29 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>> Thanks, I went with Tereza after studying the letter T and "L" in other 
>> records he wrote.  It's definitely a Tereza.  Whew, it was a challenge.  
>> 
>> JR:  this TEREZA is a child of Heronimo Martins x Maria Cravalha our common 
>> ancestor.So far I found records for three children for them
>> 
>> MARIA, baptized 15 October 1667, page 0162
>> (Ginetes, Baptisms 1588-1677) (wife of Antonio Ferreira) 
>> 
>> MATHIAS baptized 27 September 1671; page 0162
>> 
>> TEREZA, baptized 13 January 1676
>> 
>> I've  searched into the year 1684 and haven't found any more children.  I 
>> noticed the three kids they had were spaced out; being 5 years between the 
>> last two.  
>> 
>> I'm going to look for obits to see if one or both of parents died.  
>> I dont know if you already had these in your data base but they are our 
>> cousins
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, JR  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would stick with Tereza. Study the L's, there is complete bottom loop. 
>>> This first letter stops at the bottom. The dotted 'i' is perhaps 
>>> accidental. May be even Terezia. See here for clear Tereza, no bottom loop 
>>> like the L.
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P176.html
>>> 
>>> JR
>>> 
 On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 3:22:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
 Not too sure what to think on that baby's name. I read the godparents the 
 same way you do.
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
 Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
> Top left 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html
> 
> My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over 
> one of the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)
> 
> For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins 
> son of Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo 
> (?goncalves?) not 100% sure of that abbreviation.  
> 
> 
> 
> Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And 
> verify the godparents,  Thank you. 
> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

I hope I didn't confuse anyone with my JR, which stands for John Roias. 
Although I wrote posting on Teresa, you are perhaps directing your remarks 
to John Raposo.

JRoias



On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 7:32:29 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>
> Thanks, I went with Tereza after studying the letter T and "L" in other 
> records he wrote.  It's definitely a Tereza.  Whew, it was a challenge.  
>
> JR:  this TEREZA is a child of Heronimo Martins x Maria Cravalha our 
> common ancestor.So far I found records for three children for them
>
> MARIA, baptized 15 October 1667, page 0162
> (Ginetes, Baptisms 1588-1677) (wife of Antonio Ferreira) 
>
> MATHIAS baptized 27 September 1671; page 0162
>
> TEREZA, baptized 13 January 1676
>
> I've  searched into the year 1684 and haven't found any more children.  I 
> noticed the three kids they had were spaced out; being 5 years between the 
> last two.  
>
> I'm going to look for obits to see if one or both of parents died.  
> I dont know if you already had these in your data base but they are our 
> cousins
>
> Maria Elena 
>
> On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, JR  wrote:
>
> I would stick with Tereza. Study the L's, there is complete bottom loop. 
> This first letter stops at the bottom. The dotted 'i' is perhaps 
> accidental. May be even Terezia. See here for clear Tereza, no bottom loop 
> like the L.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P176.html
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 3:22:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Not too sure what to think on that baby's name. I read the godparents the 
>> same way you do.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>>
>>> Top left 
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html
>>>
>>> My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over 
>>> one of the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)
>>>
>>> For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins 
>>> son of Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo 
>>> (?goncalves?) not 100% sure of that abbreviation.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And 
>>> verify the godparents,  Thank you. 
>>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Children of AntonioFerreira. Maria Carvalha

2017-02-05 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Wow! Thank you so, so much.
John

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 4:48 PM, Maria Lima
wrote:

You're welcome, cousin JR
Here is the baptism record for our ancestor, Maria Carvalha(Daughter of
Jeronimo Martins x Maria Carvalha)
Ginetes, Batismos 1588-1677 > 0154.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P154.html

Maria Elena
On Feb 4, 2017, at 9:58 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
wrote:

Thank you so, so much!
John

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 10:17 AM, Maria Lima
wrote:

JR, here is baptismal record for Luzia and the others:
LUZIA's BAPTISMAL
RECORDhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
LUZIA was the second child. The first was MARIA. HERE IS MARIA's baptismal
record; second on left page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P33.html
MARGARIDA
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P52.html
JOSEFA, page 63
MANOEL, page 74
BRAZ, page 85
JOAO, page 98
JOSEFA, page 105
MECIA, page 113
BALTHEZAR
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1707-1728/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1707-1728_item1/P16.html
My husband descends from Balthezar.
Oh oh- I don't think I searched after BALTHEZAR, there might be more children
and I didn't think to look (yet).
Maria Elena
On Feb 4, 2017, at 7:11 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
wrote:

Thank you so much! I descend from Luzia. Which one is your ancestor? Thanks
again.
John

On Friday, February 3, 2017 7:24 PM, Maria Lima
wrote:

JR : these are the 10 children for this couple baptized in GINETES, Baptisms
1678-1707
MARIA, 23 February 1687 these are baptismal dates LUZIA 18 September
1689MARGARIDA 3 February 1692JOSEFA 28 October 1694MANOEL 29 December 1697BRAZ
- 1 January 1701 (born) they started recording birth dateJOAO June 1703 (no
birth date here)JOSEFA 28 October 1704 birthdateMECIA 24 January 1706
birthdateBALTHEZAR 29 August 1709 birthdate my husband's ancestor
I looked for an obit for the first JOSEFA all the way up to the birth of the
second JOSEFA but did not find one.

Maria Elena
On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:27 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
wrote:

I would love to have the name of all those kids. Thank you so much!
John

On Friday, February 3, 2017 5:07 PM, Maria Lima
wrote:

JR:
I found LUZIA!! Here's her baptismal record. This (I THINK) is the No 1
person in the Ahnentafel Chart you sent me.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
If we're talking about the same person, then, you had her birth year as 1687
and that's why I couldn't find her at first. I only found her when I saw there
was a big gap of years between her older sisterand the next child. The
computer indicated I might be "missing a child", and what do you think! I was
missing Luzia. She was baptized 18 September 1689
Is she your ancestor or is ANTONIO Ferreira your ancestor?
Again, thank you and if you want the names of the other siblings, I'll gladly
send you the names and links and sources. Antonio Ferreira and Maria Carvalha
had a total of 10 kids.
Warm regards,

Maria Elena
On Feb 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Maria Lima wrote:

Hello John, yes! Thank you so much for sending me this information. My
husband descends through Antonio Ferreira, baptized 3 July 1653 in Mosteiros.
Your sheet has him being born in São Sebastião, Ginetes. Your marriage date
and mine coincide, as well as the bride, Maria Carvalha (o).
I was trying to locate the baptism of your person who is number 1 on your
sheet: LUZIA FERREIRA. But I did not find her baptism in Ginetes. Am looking
in Mosteiros. I want to figure out how she is related to ANTONIO Ferreira.
(Who is she).
Are you descended through her or one of Antonio's siblings. I found all of
them if you want to correspond, I can send them to you. ( you probably
already have that already)
As always, you are kind and so willing to help us. Thank you. Maybe we are
related ( well, my husband and you).

Maria Elena
On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
wrote:

Could this be what you are looking for?
Ahnentafel Chart for Luzia FerreiraFirst Generation 1. LuziaFerreira was
born on 18 Sep 1687 inSão Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, Açores. Luzia was not
married to Unknown . Second Generation 2. AntonioFerreira was born in
São Sebastião,Ginetes, São Miguel, Açores. He married Maria

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Organization of the Azores for genealogical searching

2017-02-05 Thread Edna Epps

Thanks for this Cheri!

Edna 
dave-e...@comcast.net Blessed are they who maintain justice, who constantly do 
what is right. (Psalm 106:3)



On Feb 5, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Since we have many new to this list (and for those wanting a review), I will 
explain how the Azores are organized so you'll know where to look.

The Azores are an autonomous region of Portugal, comprised of 9 islands: Santa 
Maria, Sao Miguel, Terceira, Graciosa, Sao Jorge, Pico, Faial, Flores, and 
Corvo. The Madeira islands (Madeira and Porto Santo) are a separate autonomous 
region of Portugal and are not part of the Azores archipelago. Neither are the 
Cape Verde islands, which is their own nation today.

The 9 Azores islands are divided into 3 districts or administrative zones:
Ponta Delgada (eastern) comprised of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria islands (Sao 
Miguel holds about half the Azores population).
Angra do Herisomo (central) comprised of Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge 
(Terceira is the 2nd most populous island).
Horta (western) comprised of Pico, Faial, Flores and Corvo.

Each island may have one or more councils. They are similar to American 
counties (not sure what Canadians have that is similar).
Santa Maria island has Vila do Porto
Sao Miguel island has Lagoa, Nordeste, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, Ribeira Grande, 
and Vila Franca do Campo
Terceira island has Angra do Heroismo and Praia da Vitoria
Graciosa island has Santa Cruz da Graciosa
Sao Jorge island has Calheta and Velas
Faial island has Horta
Pico island has Lajes do Pico, Madalena, and Sao Roque do PIco
Flores island has Lajes das Flores and Santa Cruz das Flores
Corvo has Vila Nova

Within each council are the freguesias (fregh (rhymes with Greg) - Z- ahs). 
They are the villages.

That's a brief summary of how the Azores are organized.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Obit of Hieronimo Martins

JR:  here is obit for Our common ancestor, Jeronimo (Hieronimo) Martins.  
.
I've learned that when the couple has only 3/4 kids, look for one of the 
parents to have died.  I felt a bit sad to find it.  Weird cause he's been dead 
for a few years, right?  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-O-1674-1729/SMG-PD-GINETES-O-1674-1729_item1/P12.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

Thanks, I went with Tereza after studying the letter T and "L" in other records 
he wrote.  It's definitely a Tereza.  Whew, it was a challenge.  

JR:  this TEREZA is a child of Heronimo Martins x Maria Cravalha our common 
ancestor.So far I found records for three children for them

MARIA, baptized 15 October 1667, page 0162
(Ginetes, Baptisms 1588-1677) (wife of Antonio Ferreira) 

MATHIAS baptized 27 September 1671; page 0162

TEREZA, baptized 13 January 1676

I've  searched into the year 1684 and haven't found any more children.  I 
noticed the three kids they had were spaced out; being 5 years between the last 
two.  

I'm going to look for obits to see if one or both of parents died.  
I dont know if you already had these in your data base but they are our 
cousins

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, JR  wrote:
> 
> I would stick with Tereza. Study the L's, there is complete bottom loop. This 
> first letter stops at the bottom. The dotted 'i' is perhaps accidental. May 
> be even Terezia. See here for clear Tereza, no bottom loop like the L.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P176.html
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 3:22:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Not too sure what to think on that baby's name. I read the godparents the 
>> same way you do.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>>> Top left 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html
>>> 
>>> My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over one 
>>> of the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)
>>> 
>>> For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins son 
>>> of Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo (?goncalves?) 
>>> not 100% sure of that abbreviation.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And 
>>> verify the godparents,  Thank you. 
>>> Maria Elena 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Organization of the Azores for genealogical searching

Since we have many new to this list (and for those wanting a review), I
will explain how the Azores are organized so you'll know where to look.

The Azores are an autonomous region of Portugal, comprised of 9 islands:
Santa Maria, Sao Miguel, Terceira, Graciosa, Sao Jorge, Pico, Faial,
Flores, and Corvo. The Madeira islands (Madeira and Porto Santo) are a
separate autonomous region of Portugal and are not part of the Azores
archipelago. Neither are the Cape Verde islands, which is their own nation
today.

The 9 Azores islands are divided into 3 districts or administrative zones:
Ponta Delgada (eastern) comprised of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria islands
(Sao Miguel holds about half the Azores population).
Angra do Herisomo (central) comprised of Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge
(Terceira is the 2nd most populous island).
Horta (western) comprised of Pico, Faial, Flores and Corvo.

Each island may have one or more councils. They are similar to American
counties (not sure what Canadians have that is similar).
Santa Maria island has Vila do Porto
Sao Miguel island has Lagoa, Nordeste, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, Ribeira
Grande, and Vila Franca do Campo
Terceira island has Angra do Heroismo and Praia da Vitoria
Graciosa island has Santa Cruz da Graciosa
Sao Jorge island has Calheta and Velas
Faial island has Horta
Pico island has Lajes do Pico, Madalena, and Sao Roque do PIco
Flores island has Lajes das Flores and Santa Cruz das Flores
Corvo has Vila Nova

Within each council are the freguesias (fregh (rhymes with Greg) - Z- ahs).
They are the villages.

That's a brief summary of how the Azores are organized.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Father of the Godmother for Ignacio...son of Jose Ignacio Gomes and Catherina Rosa of Ribeirinha, Terceira

Antonio Vas Borba (or Vaz)

JR

On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 3:16:08 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>
> I'm thinking it's an abbreviation for Domingos but hope others will chime 
> in.  Otherwise the record is beautiful.  
>
> Maria Elena 
>
> On Feb 5, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Evee Silva Kiler  > wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803_item1/P29.html
>
> In the fourth and fifth lines from the bottom of this birth record for 
> Ignacio (bottom right record) I believe it reads that the padrinhos are 
> Pedro Ignacio, son of Ignacio Gomes AND Catherina Rosa, daughter of Antonio 
> ?? de Borba.  
>
> I don't understand the abbreviation for the name (or other word) between 
> Antonio and de Borba.  I need help with confirming his name (s).
>
> Obrigado!!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

I would stick with Tereza. Study the L's, there is complete bottom loop. 
This first letter stops at the bottom. The dotted 'i' is perhaps 
accidental. May be even Terezia. See here for clear Tereza, no bottom loop 
like the L.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P176.html

JR

On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 3:22:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Not too sure what to think on that baby's name. I read the godparents the 
> same way you do.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Maria Lima  > wrote:
>
>> Top left 
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html
>>
>> My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over 
>> one of the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)
>>
>> For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins 
>> son of Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo 
>> (?goncalves?) not 100% sure of that abbreviation.  
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And 
>> verify the godparents,  Thank you. 
>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes

2017-02-05 Thread 'Ralph Sellars' via Azores Genealogy

 Some 3 years ago a generous member of this group shared with me (Thank you)  
they had found what may be a 5 G G mother of mine name Catarina Gomes who was 
married to a Manuel Valadao. I have recorded my understanding in that the 
source of this is a " Flores History Book / Azores web".  If any one knows  a 
more definitive title and/or author of such  a book I would be appreciative if 
I could be so informed. 
Family//Search has a Find A Grave Index record of a Catarina Gomes death 15 Mar 
1650 at Cedros, Horta Municipality, Azores Region, Portugal.  It also shows she 
had a Child Maria Gomes.  (_ - 1671).  My Catarina Gomes had a daughter 
Maria who married a Joao Rodrigues Serpa.
The web encyclopedia Wikipedia says Cedros, Horta Municipality, Azores is on 
Faial, but I have documentation that my 2 G G parents came from Cedros on 
Flores and it has been stated my 3 G G Father served the Church on both Cedros 
and Faial  before relocating to Samoa and marring the kings daughter (?)
All too interesting likely to be factual, but with enough possibility that 
there may some value to be considered . 
I would welcome any thoughts or other avenues to venture to for perusing this 
family or sharing additional information which would document this family line 
from my Manuel Lewis (!) and wife  Francisca Marianne Joseph and the above 
referenced  Manuel Valadao and Catarina Gomes. 
 Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com 

  From: 'Caroline Gomes' via Azores Genealogy 
 To: Azores Genealogy  
 Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 1:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes
   
Enos = Inacio good to know!   
It seems like I am getting closer and closer...lol.  Thank you all again for 
the suggestions and help!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

Not too sure what to think on that baby's name. I read the godparents the
same way you do.

Cheri Mello
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Top left
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html
>
> My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over
> one of the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)
>
> For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins son
> of Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo (?goncalves?)
> not 100% sure of that abbreviation.
>
>
>
> Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And
> verify the godparents,  Thank you.
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help please

2017-02-05 Thread we...@stargazerlabradors.com

Hi  Cheri, 
I will note the words you pointed out. Your translation really helps a lot. 
Thank you so much. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

2017-02-05 Thread George Sousa

Thanks all...

Now that I re-read the record (having the benefit of all of your thoughts
and input) the record is pretty clear. It's the first of this type that
I've seen and it threw me for a bit of a loop. But that's why we're all
here... to help and to be of help. And a special apology to José Alves
Cabral (the Vice Vigario) for the flippant reference to "Vinho" ;)

Thanks again.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *I think the key words are on the third line “sua esposo” which I believe
> means betrothed  or engaged. While it also could mean husband or wife.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2017 2:47 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th,
> 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> The parents of the baby may be cousins and are waiting on the dispensation
> to marry, but went ahead and started a family. On the other hand, maybe
> they are cousins and became "weak of the flesh" (the words of the day) or
> were jonesing for each other (that's probably American slang). She batted
> her eyelashes, he became weak in the knees...don't know. If they are
> cousins you might get lucky and find a dispensation (not all exist). You'd
> have to hire João Ventura, the archivist, to look for it (if it exists).
> Begin looking for a marriage on 28 Feb 1780. All you know is that the
> parents were not married on the baptism date. The marriage will let you
> know if they are related.
>
> Good luck, Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *It makes sense to me Bernardina is the daughter of Antonia de Chaves who
> is the daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and his wife Antonia Margarida de
> Cheves and her betrothed Andre Jose Soares who is the son of Antonio Soares
> de Sousa and his wife Anna da Gloria.   Antonia de Cheves is engaged to
> Andre Jose Soares and they jumped the gun on starting a family.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *George Sousa
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:29 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th,
> 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but I
> would appreciate your interpretation of this...
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-
> 1792_item1/P85.html
>
>
>
> As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...
>
>
>
> "Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de
> sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares
> filho de Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e
> de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de
> Nosa Senhora da purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa
> Maria e moradores em o lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias
> do mes de fevereiro do Anno de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi
> baptizada nest Igreja parochial de seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral
> vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do dito mes e anno Supra foram
> padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua
> mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza filha dos ditos Antonio
> Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram testemunhas..."
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
> Margarida de Chaves?
>
> Who are the grandparents?
>
>
>
> Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Father of the Godmother for Ignacio...son of Jose Ignacio Gomes and Catherina Rosa of Ribeirinha, Terceira

I'm thinking it's an abbreviation for Domingos but hope others will chime in.  
Otherwise the record is beautiful.  

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Evee Silva Kiler  wrote:
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803_item1/P29.html
> 
> In the fourth and fifth lines from the bottom of this birth record for 
> Ignacio (bottom right record) I believe it reads that the padrinhos are Pedro 
> Ignacio, son of Ignacio Gomes AND Catherina Rosa, daughter of Antonio ?? de 
> Borba.  
> 
> I don't understand the abbreviation for the name (or other word) between 
> Antonio and de Borba.  I need help with confirming his name (s).
> 
> Obrigado!!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

Top left 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html

My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over one of 
the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)

For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins son of 
Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo (?goncalves?) not 100% 
sure of that abbreviation.  



Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And verify 
the godparents,  Thank you. 
Maria Elena 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

2017-02-05 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

I think the key words are on the third line “sua esposo” which I believe means 
betrothed  or engaged. While it also could mean husband or wife.

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 2:47 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - 
Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

 

The parents of the baby may be cousins and are waiting on the dispensation to 
marry, but went ahead and started a family. On the other hand, maybe they are 
cousins and became "weak of the flesh" (the words of the day) or were jonesing 
for each other (that's probably American slang). She batted her eyelashes, he 
became weak in the knees...don't know. If they are cousins you might get lucky 
and find a dispensation (not all exist). You'd have to hire João Ventura, the 
archivist, to look for it (if it exists). Begin looking for a marriage on 28 
Feb 1780. All you know is that the parents were not married on the baptism 
date. The marriage will let you know if they are related.

Good luck, Cheri




Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

It makes sense to me Bernardina is the daughter of Antonia de Chaves who is the 
daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and his wife Antonia Margarida de Cheves and her 
betrothed Andre Jose Soares who is the son of Antonio Soares de Sousa and his 
wife Anna da Gloria.   Antonia de Cheves is engaged to Andre Jose Soares and 
they jumped the gun on starting a family.

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
George Sousa
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:29 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - 
Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

 

I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but I 
would appreciate your interpretation of this...

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792_item1/P85.html

 

As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...

 

"Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua 
mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares filho de 
Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e de sua mulher 
Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de Nosa Senhora da 
purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa Maria e moradores em o 
lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias do mes de fevereiro do Anno 
de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi baptizada nest Igreja parochial de 
seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do 
dito mes e anno Supra foram padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito 
Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza 
filha dos ditos Antonio Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram 
testemunhas..."

 

Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia 
Margarida de Chaves?

Who are the grandparents?

 

Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.

 

George

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

Typo 1784 not 1780. Sorry.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> The parents of the baby may be cousins and are waiting on the dispensation
> to marry, but went ahead and started a family. On the other hand, maybe
> they are cousins and became "weak of the flesh" (the words of the day) or
> were jonesing for each other (that's probably American slang). She batted
> her eyelashes, he became weak in the knees...don't know. If they are
> cousins you might get lucky and find a dispensation (not all exist). You'd
> have to hire João Ventura, the archivist, to look for it (if it exists).
> Begin looking for a marriage on 28 Feb 1780. All you know is that the
> parents were not married on the baptism date. The marriage will let you
> know if they are related.
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *It makes sense to me Bernardina is the daughter of Antonia de Chaves who
>> is the daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and his wife Antonia Margarida de
>> Cheves and her betrothed Andre Jose Soares who is the son of Antonio Soares
>> de Sousa and his wife Anna da Gloria.   Antonia de Cheves is engaged to
>> Andre Jose Soares and they jumped the gun on starting a family.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *George Sousa
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:29 AM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th,
>> 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but
>> I would appreciate your interpretation of this...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792_item1/P85.html
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de
>> sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares
>> filho de Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e
>> de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de
>> Nosa Senhora da purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa
>> Maria e moradores em o lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias
>> do mes de fevereiro do Anno de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi
>> baptizada nest Igreja parochial de seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral
>> vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do dito mes e anno Supra foram
>> padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua
>> mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza filha dos ditos Antonio
>> Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram testemunhas..."
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
>> Margarida de Chaves?
>>
>> Who are the grandparents?
>>
>>
>>
>> Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

The parents of the baby may be cousins and are waiting on the dispensation
to marry, but went ahead and started a family. On the other hand, maybe
they are cousins and became "weak of the flesh" (the words of the day) or
were jonesing for each other (that's probably American slang). She batted
her eyelashes, he became weak in the knees...don't know. If they are
cousins you might get lucky and find a dispensation (not all exist). You'd
have to hire João Ventura, the archivist, to look for it (if it exists).
Begin looking for a marriage on 28 Feb 1780. All you know is that the
parents were not married on the baptism date. The marriage will let you
know if they are related.
Good luck, Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *It makes sense to me Bernardina is the daughter of Antonia de Chaves who
> is the daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and his wife Antonia Margarida de
> Cheves and her betrothed Andre Jose Soares who is the son of Antonio Soares
> de Sousa and his wife Anna da Gloria.   Antonia de Cheves is engaged to
> Andre Jose Soares and they jumped the gun on starting a family.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *George Sousa
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:29 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th,
> 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but I
> would appreciate your interpretation of this...
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-
> 1792_item1/P85.html
>
>
>
> As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...
>
>
>
> "Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de
> sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares
> filho de Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e
> de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de
> Nosa Senhora da purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa
> Maria e moradores em o lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias
> do mes de fevereiro do Anno de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi
> baptizada nest Igreja parochial de seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral
> vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do dito mes e anno Supra foram
> padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua
> mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza filha dos ditos Antonio
> Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram testemunhas..."
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
> Margarida de Chaves?
>
> Who are the grandparents?
>
>
>
> Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> George
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

2017-02-05 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

It makes sense to me Bernardina is the daughter of Antonia de Chaves who is the 
daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and his wife Antonia Margarida de Cheves and her 
betrothed Andre Jose Soares who is the son of Antonio Soares de Sousa and his 
wife Anna da Gloria.   Antonia de Cheves is engaged to Andre Jose Soares and 
they jumped the gun on starting a family.

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
George Sousa
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:29 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - 
Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

 

I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but I 
would appreciate your interpretation of this...

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792_item1/P85.html

 

As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...

 

"Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua 
mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares filho de 
Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e de sua mulher 
Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de Nosa Senhora da 
purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa Maria e moradores em o 
lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias do mes de fevereiro do Anno 
de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi baptizada nest Igreja parochial de 
seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do 
dito mes e anno Supra foram padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito 
Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza 
filha dos ditos Antonio Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram 
testemunhas..."

 

Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia 
Margarida de Chaves?

Who are the grandparents?

 

Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.

 

George

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where and when did he die

There are lots of Fragoso's in Rosario de Lagoa. Have you looked there? I 
think it reasonable to assume the Fragoso's have their origins in Lagoa. 
Almost all the one's I have encountered, and those posted here, trace back 
to Lagoa. Also, you may find some Ponta Delgada.

JR

On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 6:27:37 AM UTC-5, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Rodrigo Rodrigues has a reference to a Manuel Fragoso de Melo son of a 
> Manuel Fragoso de Melo and Teresa Amália…
>
> eliseu
>
>  
>
> *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *Em nome de *pjm47
> *Enviada:* 12 de dezembro de 2016 16:43
> *Para:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] where and when did he die
>
>  
>
> After successfully going back 3 generations in Santa Cruz  St Michael i 
> have hit  a generation that i can not find anything on him i tried to find 
> his obit based on the wedding of his child. His name is Manuel Fragoso de 
> Mello probably died in the late 1700.but could not find an obit in his 
> parish so i wrote to the Biblotec in Ponta Delgada and received an email 
> saying he probably died in the hospital and his death record would be 
> there.Do any of you know if there is a web site for the death records at 
> the hospitals Thanks for any info on this
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Father of the Godmother for Ignacio...son of Jose Ignacio Gomes and Catherina Rosa of Ribeirinha, Terceira

Don V,
If you tested with FTDNA, you need to be part of the Azores DNA Project
(log into your kit, point at Projects, then Join A Project, then in the
Search by Surname type "azores." Click that and follow the directions to
the end). The Sao Jorge island people are really starting to cluster now.

If you tested with AncestryDNA or 23andMe, FTDNA should be able to accept
transfers soon (a couple of more months).
Cheri Mello, Azores DNA Project Admin (volunteer) with FTDNA

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Donald Vasconcelos 
wrote:

> Ever,
> I have Borba from Calheta, Topo, Sao Jorge and Vasconcelos from Graciosa.
> Antonio da Sousa Borba was my great grandfather, and Francisco da Sousa
> Vasconcellos was my grandfather.
> My Gedmatch is A439498.
> Don Vasconcellos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 5, 2017, at 8:56 AM, linda  wrote:
>
> I think it may be "Vas" or "Vaz" for Vasconcelos.
>
> Linda
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 8:43:05 AM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-
>> RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803_item1/P29.html
>>
>> In the fourth and fifth lines from the bottom of this birth record for
>> Ignacio (bottom right record) I believe it reads that the padrinhos are
>> Pedro Ignacio, son of Ignacio Gomes AND Catherina Rosa, daughter of Antonio
>> ?? de Borba.
>>
>> I don't understand the abbreviation for the name (or other word) between
>> Antonio and de Borba.  I need help with confirming his name (s).
>>
>> Obrigado!!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Father of the Godmother for Ignacio...son of Jose Ignacio Gomes and Catherina Rosa of Ribeirinha, Terceira

2017-02-05 Thread Donald Vasconcelos

Ever,
I have Borba from Calheta, Topo, Sao Jorge and Vasconcelos from Graciosa. 
Antonio da Sousa Borba was my great grandfather, and Francisco da Sousa 
Vasconcellos was my grandfather.
My Gedmatch is A439498.
Don Vasconcellos 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 8:56 AM, linda  wrote:
> 
> I think it may be "Vas" or "Vaz" for Vasconcelos.
> 
> Linda
> 
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 8:43:05 AM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803_item1/P29.html
>> 
>> In the fourth and fifth lines from the bottom of this birth record for 
>> Ignacio (bottom right record) I believe it reads that the padrinhos are 
>> Pedro Ignacio, son of Ignacio Gomes AND Catherina Rosa, daughter of Antonio 
>> ?? de Borba.  
>> 
>> I don't understand the abbreviation for the name (or other word) between 
>> Antonio and de Borba.  I need help with confirming his name (s).
>> 
>> Obrigado!!
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

2017-02-05 Thread George Sousa

Thank you Cheri and Margaret.

George

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> The parents aren't married and the priest wasn't very clear about it.
> Mom: Antonia de Chaves, daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
> Margarida de Chaves
> Dad: Andre Jose Soares son of Antonio Soares de Sousa and Anna da Gloria
>
> Godfather: Antonio Jose de Chaves son of Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
> Margarida de Chaves (appears to be maternal uncle of baby)
> Godmom: Anna Roza daughter of Antonio Soares de Souza and Anna da Gloria
> (appears to be paternal aunt of baby).
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 4:29 AM, George Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>> I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but
>> I would appreciate your interpretation of this...
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792_item1/P85.html
>>
>> As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...
>>
>> "Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de
>> sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares
>> filho de Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e
>> de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de
>> Nosa Senhora da purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa
>> Maria e moradores em o lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias
>> do mes de fevereiro do Anno de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi
>> baptizada nest Igreja parochial de seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral
>> vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do dito mes e anno Supra foram
>> padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua
>> mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza filha dos ditos Antonio
>> Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram testemunhas..."
>>
>> Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
>> Margarida de Chaves?
>> Who are the grandparents?
>>
>> Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> George
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Father of the Godmother for Ignacio...son of Jose Ignacio Gomes and Catherina Rosa of Ribeirinha, Terceira

2017-02-05 Thread linda

I think it may be "Vas" or "Vaz" for Vasconcelos.

Linda

On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 8:43:05 AM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803_item1/P29.html
>
> In the fourth and fifth lines from the bottom of this birth record for 
> Ignacio (bottom right record) I believe it reads that the padrinhos are 
> Pedro Ignacio, son of Ignacio Gomes AND Catherina Rosa, daughter of Antonio 
> ?? de Borba.  
>
> I don't understand the abbreviation for the name (or other word) between 
> Antonio and de Borba.  I need help with confirming his name (s).
>
> Obrigado!!
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Father of the Godmother for Ignacio...son of Jose Ignacio Gomes and Catherina Rosa of Ribeirinha, Terceira

2017-02-05 Thread Evee Silva Kiler

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803_item1/P29.html

In the fourth and fifth lines from the bottom of this birth record for 
Ignacio (bottom right record) I believe it reads that the padrinhos are 
Pedro Ignacio, son of Ignacio Gomes AND Catherina Rosa, daughter of Antonio 
?? de Borba.  

I don't understand the abbreviation for the name (or other word) between 
Antonio and de Borba.  I need help with confirming his name (s).

Obrigado!!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria