Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Marriage: Antonio Resendes (Pavia) toAntonia Sam Jose (a little help please)

2017-02-06 Thread Tish M 
I am also interested in this one, too. I believe it is Donna Francisca de
MENESES though, not RESENDES. I could be wrong.
I am interested in the words after Francisca being from Sao Pedro. Was Joao
buried about 1762? There are a whole lot of words I don't know.

Thanks for any help,
Tish

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> I'm on my phone,but it looks like: Joao de Paiva Moura, "que Deus tem"?,
> meaning already deceased.
>
> What's your question about São Pedro?
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> Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Marriage: Antonio Resendes
> (Pavia) toAntonia Sam Jose  (a little help please)
>
> I’m mostly concerned with what is written after the groom’s father’s last
> name:  Moura ???   Any other help or comments greatly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Left side:
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789_item1/P56.html
>
>
>
> On the 9th day of the month of March 1763 in this Parochial Church of
> Gloria Santa Barbara on this island of Santa Maria in my presence Francisco
> de Miranda, priest of this church and of two witnesses, Ignacio de Sousa
> Moreia, married and resident of the place of Norte in this parish and
> Manoel Jose Coelho, married, resident of the place of Feterias from the
> parish of the Apostle of Sao Pedro where she was released in the last lent
> of 1772
>
> Antonio de Resendes, son of Joao de Payva Moura ??? y de his woman, Dona
> Francisca de Resendes, native of the Parochial of the Apostle of Sam Pedro
> 
>
> and Antonia de Sam Jose, daughter of Manoel Cabral and of his woman, Luisa
> de Concepcion, residents of the place of Feterias, of this parish, native
> of the Parochial of Gloria Santa Barbara where she was released in the last
> lent. Something about not giving blessings and witnesses. Day, month and
> year above.
>
>
>
> Priest: Francisco de Miranda
>
> Ignacio Sousa
>
> Manoel Jose Coelho
>
>
>
> On the side something about the 17th of April 1763
>
>
>
> Many thanks, Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Abbreviation of Róis versus Rou?

2017-02-06 Thread Maria Lima 
Right hand page, middle record

Is the groom's name Sebastiao Rodrigues (?) son of Pedro Gonçalves (?)

Can anyone figure out why she was widowed?  It seems like she was widowed 'on 
account of...?"


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P31.html

Thanks so much for taking a look. 


Maria Elena 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Marriage: Antonio Resendes (Pavia) toAntonia Sam Jose (a little help please)

2017-02-06 Thread Ângela Loura 
I'm on my phone,but it looks like: Joao de Paiva Moura, "que Deus tem"?, 
meaning already deceased.

What's your question about São Pedro?

- Mensagem Original -
De: "aportugee via Azores Genealogy" 
Enviado: ‎07/‎02/‎2017 02:41
Para: "'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy" 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Marriage: Antonio Resendes (Pavia) 
toAntonia Sam Jose  (a little help please)

I’m mostly concerned with what is written after the groom’s father’s last name: 
 Moura ???   Any other help or comments greatly appreciated!
 
Left side:
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789_item1/P56.html
 
 
On the 9th day of the month of March 1763 in this Parochial Church of Gloria 
Santa Barbara on this island of Santa Maria in my presence Francisco de 
Miranda, priest of this church and of two witnesses, Ignacio de Sousa Moreia, 
married and resident of the place of Norte in this parish and Manoel Jose 
Coelho, married, resident of the place of Feterias from the parish of the 
Apostle of Sao Pedro where she was released in the last lent of 1772
Antonio de Resendes, son of Joao de Payva Moura ??? y de his woman, Dona 
Francisca de Resendes, native of the Parochial of the Apostle of Sam Pedro 

and Antonia de Sam Jose, daughter of Manoel Cabral and of his woman, Luisa de 
Concepcion, residents of the place of Feterias, of this parish, native of the 
Parochial of Gloria Santa Barbara where she was released in the last lent. 
Something about not giving blessings and witnesses. Day, month and year above.
 
Priest: Francisco de Miranda
Ignacio Sousa
Manoel Jose Coelho
 
On the side something about the 17th of April 1763
 
Many thanks, Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
 




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Marriage: Antonio Resendes (Pavia) to Antonia Sam Jose (a little help please)

2017-02-06 Thread aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
I’m mostly concerned with what is written after the groom’s father’s last name: 
 Moura ???   Any other help or comments greatly appreciated!

Left side:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789_item1/P56.html
 

On the 9th day of the month of March 1763 in this Parochial Church of Gloria 
Santa Barbara on this island of Santa Maria in my presence Francisco de 
Miranda, priest of this church and of two witnesses, Ignacio de Sousa Moreia, 
married and resident of the place of Norte in this parish and Manoel Jose 
Coelho, married, resident of the place of Feterias from the parish of the 
Apostle of Sao Pedro where she was released in the last lent of 1772
Antonio de Resendes, son of Joao de Payva Moura ??? y de his woman, Dona 
Francisca de Resendes, native of the Parochial of the Apostle of Sam Pedro 

and Antonia de Sam Jose, daughter of Manoel Cabral and of his woman, Luisa de 
Concepcion, residents of the place of Feterias, of this parish, native of the 
Parochial of Gloria Santa Barbara where she was released in the last lent. 
Something about not giving blessings and witnesses. Day, month and year above.

Priest: Francisco de Miranda
Ignacio Sousa
Manoel Jose Coelho

On the side something about the 17th of April 1763

Many thanks, Sam (Mazatlán, MX)




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should i start looking?

2017-02-06 Thread Cheri Mello 
Hi Jesse,

To start genealogy, you need 3 things: A name, a date, and a place. I see
you have the fregueisa (village) which is fantastic! So many struggle to
find that piece of information.

And no disrespect to your ancestors, but it would be better to just refer
to them by name. I have a lot of Ribeira Quente ancestors, but they aren't
my grandparents. They could be my 2nd cousins twice removed. You don't care
that they are my 2C2R, we are just interested in our common ancestors of
Manuel and Maria (or whoever they may be).

So state their names, birth dates (or approximates) and village that each
one is from. I do Ribeira Quente research and it may not be much for me to
figure out who they descend from. Others on this list may be doing Ribeira
Cha, but you may have to do about 200 years (to about the early 1800s) to
make a connection there. With Ribeira Quente, you lucked out.

You may also want to test your DNA or your parents, if they are alive. Or
your grandparents siblings if they are alive. Test the oldest family
member. We can get more into that later. We just need to get you started.

Find yourself a GOOD genealogy program. If you want to have your genealogy
up in the cloud on Ancestry.com or My Heritage, that's fine, but they are
very limiting program-wise. Here are 3 free ones in alphabetical order. If
you like one of them you can purchase it (will have about 100 more bells
and whistles).
Ancestral Quest (Basics is free): http://www.ancquest.com/index.htm (Scroll
to the bottom for Basics)
Legacy Family Tree (Standard is free): http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
(Blue download link is Standard).
RootsMagic (Essentials is free): http://rootsmagic.com/ (Essentials link to
the left of the grandma's elbow)

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Jesse Carvalho  wrote:

> My email is jessecarvalh...@outlook.com if you would like to contact me
> that way.
>
> i just started attempting my family tree.  my grandparents were the first
> ones to america so everything i need would be in the azores because
> thats where they were from. what should i do to find information because my
> close family doesnt know much.
>
> they are from (mothers side) Ribera cha, sao miguel, azores and (fathers
> side) Ribera quente, Sao miguel, azores
>
> advice?
>
> thanbk you for any thing at all!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should i start looking?

2017-02-06 Thread Kathy Cardoza 
Jesse

The Azores GenWeb  has resources that will help you get started. You already 
have some of the necessary information, that is the Freguesia (village/town) 
and island. Try this, in particular and other research aids on the site:

 
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
 


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> On Feb 5, 2017, at 10:01 PM, Jesse Carvalho  wrote:
> 
> My email is jessecarvalh...@outlook.com if you would like to contact me that 
> way.
> 
> i just started attempting my family tree.  my grandparents were the first 
> ones to america so everything i need would be in the azores because thats 
> where they were from. what should i do to find information because my close 
> family doesnt know much.
> 
> they are from (mothers side) Ribera cha, sao miguel, azores and (fathers 
> side) Ribera quente, Sao miguel, azores
> 
> advice?
> 
> thanbk you for any thing at all!
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

2017-02-06 Thread Ângela Loura 
Hi George,

They got married on 28 Apr 1784

2017-02-05 20:14 GMT+00:00 George Sousa :

> Thanks all...
>
> Now that I re-read the record (having the benefit of all of your thoughts
> and input) the record is pretty clear. It's the first of this type that
> I've seen and it threw me for a bit of a loop. But that's why we're all
> here... to help and to be of help. And a special apology to José Alves
> Cabral (the Vice Vigario) for the flippant reference to "Vinho" ;)
>
> Thanks again.
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *I think the key words are on the third line “sua esposo” which I believe
>> means betrothed  or engaged. While it also could mean husband or wife.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2017 2:47 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February
>> 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> The parents of the baby may be cousins and are waiting on the
>> dispensation to marry, but went ahead and started a family. On the other
>> hand, maybe they are cousins and became "weak of the flesh" (the words of
>> the day) or were jonesing for each other (that's probably American slang).
>> She batted her eyelashes, he became weak in the knees...don't know. If they
>> are cousins you might get lucky and find a dispensation (not all exist).
>> You'd have to hire João Ventura, the archivist, to look for it (if it
>> exists). Begin looking for a marriage on 28 Feb 1780. All you know is that
>> the parents were not married on the baptism date. The marriage will let you
>> know if they are related.
>>
>> Good luck, Cheri
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *It makes sense to me Bernardina is the daughter of Antonia de Chaves who
>> is the daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and his wife Antonia Margarida de
>> Cheves and her betrothed Andre Jose Soares who is the son of Antonio Soares
>> de Sousa and his wife Anna da Gloria.   Antonia de Cheves is engaged to
>> Andre Jose Soares and they jumped the gun on starting a family.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *George Sousa
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:29 AM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th,
>> 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but
>> I would appreciate your interpretation of this...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792_item1/P85.html
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de
>> sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares
>> filho de Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e
>> de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de
>> Nosa Senhora da purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa
>> Maria e moradores em o lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias
>> do mes de fevereiro do Anno de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi
>> baptizada nest Igreja parochial de seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral
>> vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do dito mes e anno Supra foram
>> padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua
>> mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza filha dos ditos Antonio
>> Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram testemunhas..."
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
>> Margarida de Chaves?
>>
>> Who are the grandparents?
>>
>>
>>
>> Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] where should i start looking?

2017-02-06 Thread Jesse Carvalho 
My email is jessecarvalh...@outlook.com if you would like to contact me 
that way.

i just started attempting my family tree.  my grandparents were the first 
ones to america so everything i need would be in the azores because 
thats where they were from. what should i do to find information because my 
close family doesnt know much.

they are from (mothers side) Ribera cha, sao miguel, azores and (fathers 
side) Ribera quente, Sao miguel, azores

advice?

thanbk you for any thing at all!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Father of the Godmother for Ignacio...son of Jose Ignacio Gomes and Catherina Rosa of Ribeirinha, Terceira

2017-02-06 Thread Evee Silva Kiler 
Thank you, everybody!

On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> Antonio Vas Borba (or Vaz)
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 3:16:08 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking it's an abbreviation for Domingos but hope others will chime 
>> in.  Otherwise the record is beautiful.  
>>
>> Maria Elena 
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Evee Silva Kiler  wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803_item1/P29.html
>>
>> In the fourth and fifth lines from the bottom of this birth record for 
>> Ignacio (bottom right record) I believe it reads that the padrinhos are 
>> Pedro Ignacio, son of Ignacio Gomes AND Catherina Rosa, daughter of Antonio 
>> ?? de Borba.  
>>
>> I don't understand the abbreviation for the name (or other word) between 
>> Antonio and de Borba.  I need help with confirming his name (s).
>>
>> Obrigado!!
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