Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

FTDNA (Family Tree DNA) is one testing company. AncestryDNA is another.
Just like you could buy a Ford or a Honda if you were shopping for cars.

Family Tree Maker is a genealogy software where you type in your ancestors.
It has nothing to do with DNA.

Lots of things like to name themselves "Family Tree." There's "Family Tree
Magazine," "Family Tree Now" and I don't know what else.

Because autosomal DNA testing is run on the Illumina chip you can transfer
it over to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). AncestryDNA uses the Illumina chip, but
they have customized it, stripping about 48% of the family markers and
replacing them with health. So you won't get as many matches at FTDNA due
to less data on the chip. You can transfer over and if you decide to test
on the FTDNA platform, I believe it's $59 (I'll have to double check).

Download your raw data from AncestyDNA (if you don't know how, just ask)
and then make an account at FTDNA and upload it here:
https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer

Hope to see you soon! Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Gordon Soares 
wrote:

> Hi ALL
>
> I have done the DNA testing through Ancestry.com and so has my wife. What
> I am wondering (and I apologize if I am WAY behind the curve on this) is
> whether I need to do something else regarding DNA. Is the FTDNA a variation
> of the Ancestry and just the Family Tree Maker version or is there a
> difference? Is there another more  specific DNA to the Azores that I should
> consider?
>
> Gordon Soares
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Gordon Soares]

Hi ALL

I have done the DNA testing through Ancestry.com  and so 
has my wife. What I am wondering (and I apologize if I am WAY behind the curve 
on this) is whether I need to do something else regarding DNA. Is the FTDNA a 
variation of the Ancestry and just the Family Tree Maker version or is there a 
difference? Is there another more  specific DNA to the Azores that I should 
consider?

Gordon Soares

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel-Help with notation on baptismal record

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Joseph and Cheri,

As far as I can tell there's something wrong with this record and that is
why the Priest wrote right across it, however he also did not enter the
word Void either.

I don't recognise the word used twice by the priest on the cross section
but intuitively I think it is the book of corrections he's referring to.

He first writes:
Vid (normally written as Vide which is latin for See)
XXX? de Nascimento Assento n.o 9 do ano the 1961
Livro de x? de 1961
xx? 18 de Marco de 1961

So he's saying to look this record up on that specific book in that
particular date which was when the error/problem was found.

I'm seeing:

Vide Transposiçado de Nascimento Assento n.o 9 do ano de 1961. (See Birth
book of Transpositions Record # 9 of the year 1961)

The margin notes are entered below in Portuguese which I think you will be
able to read.

N.o 1 Casou Canonicamente com Manuel Januario de Medeiros de trinta e dois
anos de idade natural
da freguesia da Povoacao, filho de Manuel Januario de Medeiros e de Maria
Umbelina na igreja da
Nossa Senhora da Mae de Deus desta freguesia no dia trinta de Outurbro de
mil nove centos e
sete. Povoacao 18 de Marco de 1961.

N.o 2 O casamento referido no averbamento N.1 foi dissovilde por obito do
conjugue Manuel
Januario de Medeiros, falecido em Povoacao, no dia vinte e outo de Maio de
nil novecentos e
cincoenta e um. Povoacao, 18 de Marco de 1961

Joseph if this is you direct line, the answer will be on the marriage
record, if you could order it.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri. I haven't seen any notes written across a record like this
> before. I did notice a third margin note which looks erased. That's odd
> also. Interesting.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 18:56, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:
>
>> What?!?! Never seen anything like that before.
>>
>> I can make out it's record 9 of 1961. I can see the word certificate (in
>> Portuguese) and the date 18 Mar 1961. It's signed by Joao Somebody.
>>
>> The side notes refer to #1 the marriage with Manuel Janeiro (? I think)
>> Something, 32 years of age, native of the freguesia of Povoacao, son of
>> Manuel Jac - something (that one does NOT look like Janeiro) something
>> something and of Maria Umbelina of the church of Nossa Senhora de Mae de
>> Deus of this freguesia on the day 30 of October 1000 900 something (not
>> helpful) and that note was made 18 March 1961.
>>
>> Note 2 says the husband, Manuel Ja--- died in Povoacao on the 24 May 1000
>> 900 and 51?? That "um" (if that is what it is) looks like iuiw with no
>> dots. The note was made 18 March 1961.
>>
>> They erased note 3. So now I'm going back to look at what they wrote
>> across the record. I bet she died sometime before 18 March 1961.
>>
>> That's my best guess on this. Definitely need more people looking at this
>> one!  Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Joseph Mendonca > > wrote:
>>
>>> Right side, No. 118- Rosa
>>> There's a notation written across the record that I need some help
>>> understanding.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>>> MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879_item1/P540.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joseph Mendonca
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Warning about DNA Projects on Social Media.

[João Ventura]

Richard,

I think that you're painting it slightly wrong.

This individual (Doug) was removed from projects that he created, where he 
somehow got money to pay for many tests to Azoreans that he still manages 
and were grouped in these projects.

As a way to make FTDNA notice that he has support among some FTDNA users 
(and he has), he asked for people to leave the Azores and Portugal 
projects. I don't support this action, but I do understand it. Even more so 
in the case of the Portugal project which honestly seems abandoned.

The way you put it is "FTDNA refused to provide him with personal 
information". The way he puts it is that "FTDNA doesn't want overlapping 
projects".

I just wish somehow you all would be able to sit down, relax and agree to 
disagree, but work together to advance the cause of Azorean Genealogy.

Then again, I've been called a dreamer many times,

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Saturday, 12 August 2017 02:30:59 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
>
> I have been involved in DNA Testing for over 10 years having started with 
> the National Geographic Project in 2006. During the course of the years I 
> have read and learned much about DNA Testing and what it will and will not 
> do.
>
> I have recently learned that a DNA Group in Social Media is giving wrong 
> and misleading information about DNA in an effort to draw people from 
> legitimate projects sponsored by DNA testing Companies.
>
> People are being told:  “mtDNA is still too useless until we get a 
> massive increase and even then I don't think being in a project will really 
> help. The only real help for mtDNA is to look at your matches and contact 
> them. Nothing more is necessary“. This statement shows me a total lack of 
> understanding DNA. 
>
> mtDNA is useful. If two tests match at the full sequence testing level and 
> live in the same geographical area. (in this case an island or better 
> Freguesia in the Azores), then the odds that they have a common maternal 
> ancestor is greatly increased. I recently came across a project where the 
> founding women from the Arcadian region in Canada were being matched to 
> their female descendant’s mtDNA.   I can guarantee that a person who tests 
> their full sequence mtDNA with the results of W3a2 with a female French 
> Canadian line are a direct maternal line descendant of Marie Marguarite who 
> was born in France around 1620. So to say that MtDNA is useless is ignorant.
>
> I was a family finder match with a gentleman and when I looked at his 
> profile I saw he was and adoptee. I also noted he had done the mtDNA and 
> his results were he was a W3a2. When I contacted him for more information 
> he told me his adoptive parents were told he was of Canadian and Irish 
> decent. I told him of the French Canadian W3a2’s and that gave him his 
> first big clue in finding his biological mother. When I checked back with 
> him several months later he had broken his maternal wall thanks to mtDNA 
> and Autosomal DNA testing and yes Marie Marguarite was his maternal line.
>
> People are also being told “The same thing goes for people who have done 
> Family Finder testing. I see no reason to join a project – zero”. It is 
> well proven that Autosomal DNA testing will identify relationships and rule 
> out relationships. For those who have taken this test, know, Family Finder 
> will give you results that help  in breaking down walls.
>
> Why should you join a DNA Project with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)? 
>
> FTDNA regards privacy of the individual most important and will not 
> release information to 3rd parties for research or allow open searching 
> of results. Your contact information is only given to persons that you 
> match.
>
> FTDNA search tools are better than any which you will find on social media.
>
> FTDNA allows you to isolate matches that belong to a single project.
>
> FTDNA administrators are given opportunities to further their knowledge at 
> yearly conferences in Houston with DNA experts such as Spencer Wells.
>
> FTDNA administrators are held accountable for enforcing company rules in 
> regard to privacy.
>
> The FTDNA administrators will never make changes to kits unless they are 
> directed by the owner of the kits or add or delete projects they belong to 
> unlike the owner of this group on Facebook.
>
> The bottom line is that this individual has a vendetta against the Azores 
> DNA Project and the Portugal project because the Administrators refused to 
> provide personal information that they had a fiduciary responsibility to 
> protect.
>
> If you feel your DNA Test logon password is compromised then I urge you to 
> change it so that just you have control over your information and not any 
> unscrupulous person on social media.
>
>  
>
> Rick
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
>
> Epping, NH
>
> Co-Administrator Azores DNA Project.
>
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel-Help with notation on baptismal record

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thanks Cheri. I haven't seen any notes written across a record like this
before. I did notice a third margin note which looks erased. That's odd
also. Interesting.

On Aug 13, 2017 18:56, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> What?!?! Never seen anything like that before.
>
> I can make out it's record 9 of 1961. I can see the word certificate (in
> Portuguese) and the date 18 Mar 1961. It's signed by Joao Somebody.
>
> The side notes refer to #1 the marriage with Manuel Janeiro (? I think)
> Something, 32 years of age, native of the freguesia of Povoacao, son of
> Manuel Jac - something (that one does NOT look like Janeiro) something
> something and of Maria Umbelina of the church of Nossa Senhora de Mae de
> Deus of this freguesia on the day 30 of October 1000 900 something (not
> helpful) and that note was made 18 March 1961.
>
> Note 2 says the husband, Manuel Ja--- died in Povoacao on the 24 May 1000
> 900 and 51?? That "um" (if that is what it is) looks like iuiw with no
> dots. The note was made 18 March 1961.
>
> They erased note 3. So now I'm going back to look at what they wrote
> across the record. I bet she died sometime before 18 March 1961.
>
> That's my best guess on this. Definitely need more people looking at this
> one!  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>> Right side, No. 118- Rosa
>> There's a notation written across the record that I need some help
>> understanding.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879_item1/P540.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joseph Mendonca
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel-Help with notation on baptismal record

[Cheri Mello]

What?!?! Never seen anything like that before.

I can make out it's record 9 of 1961. I can see the word certificate (in
Portuguese) and the date 18 Mar 1961. It's signed by Joao Somebody.

The side notes refer to #1 the marriage with Manuel Janeiro (? I think)
Something, 32 years of age, native of the freguesia of Povoacao, son of
Manuel Jac - something (that one does NOT look like Janeiro) something
something and of Maria Umbelina of the church of Nossa Senhora de Mae de
Deus of this freguesia on the day 30 of October 1000 900 something (not
helpful) and that note was made 18 March 1961.

Note 2 says the husband, Manuel Ja--- died in Povoacao on the 24 May 1000
900 and 51?? That "um" (if that is what it is) looks like iuiw with no
dots. The note was made 18 March 1961.

They erased note 3. So now I'm going back to look at what they wrote across
the record. I bet she died sometime before 18 March 1961.

That's my best guess on this. Definitely need more people looking at this
one!  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Right side, No. 118- Rosa
> There's a notation written across the record that I need some help
> understanding.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879_item1/P540.html
>
> Thanks,
> Joseph Mendonca
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel-Help with notation on baptismal record

[Joseph Mendonca]

Right side, No. 118- Rosa
There's a notation written across the record that I need some help
understanding.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879_item1/P540.html

Thanks,
Joseph Mendonca

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re:

[linda]

Hi Suzanne,

The record doesn't state his occupation.  I believe these funeral practices 
were very common if not standard, but I can't say if the amount of money 
was generous or average or what.

best of luck with your research,

:)

Linda

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:57:10 AM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thank you Linda.  Any ideas of what he did in life?   This seems like 
> quite the affair for his death.
>
> Suzanne
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 6:03:10 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Suzanne,
>>
>> Here's how I read it:
>>
>> "...having received the divine sacraments granted to the ailing, he was 
>> accompanied by the Colegio and Crosses of the Confr.os [brothers? 
>> religious fraternity?] of this Parish where his body was entombed wrapped 
>> in the garb of San Francisco dos Comuns, fes sette meyo officio prezente 
>> [seven divine offices were made over] his body, he didn't leave a will, nor 
>> anything clearly inscritis [written?], but while alive he said that he 
>> wanted to expend as his bequest seven thousand reis " I lose the plot 
>> at this point, but I think it states how the legacy should be spent on his 
>> funeral, burial, and liturgies.  Red text indicates uncertainty in 
>> interpretation.
>>
>> hope that helps,
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:11:08 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1763-1787/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1763-1787_item1/P176.html
>>>
>>> Bottom left (Manoel Machado husband of Rita Maria).
>>>
>>> Can someone please translate this doc  from the  6th line down starting 
>>> at "Recebeothrough the end of the document.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Suzanne
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re:

[climbatree2]

Thank you Linda.  Any ideas of what he did in life?   This seems like quite 
the affair for his death.

Suzanne

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 6:03:10 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>
>
> Hi Suzanne,
>
> Here's how I read it:
>
> "...having received the divine sacraments granted to the ailing, he was 
> accompanied by the Colegio and Crosses of the Confr.os [brothers? 
> religious fraternity?] of this Parish where his body was entombed wrapped 
> in the garb of San Francisco dos Comuns, fes sette meyo officio prezente 
> [seven divine offices were made over] his body, he didn't leave a will, nor 
> anything clearly inscritis [written?], but while alive he said that he 
> wanted to expend as his bequest seven thousand reis " I lose the plot 
> at this point, but I think it states how the legacy should be spent on his 
> funeral, burial, and liturgies.  Red text indicates uncertainty in 
> interpretation.
>
> hope that helps,
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:11:08 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1763-1787/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1763-1787_item1/P176.html
>>
>> Bottom left (Manoel Machado husband of Rita Maria).
>>
>> Can someone please translate this doc  from the  6th line down starting 
>> at "Recebeothrough the end of the document.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Suzanne
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Bob, there is the Calheta de Pero de Teive or Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada if 
this the one the records start in 1570 for baptisms and marriages in 1617.  

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> On Aug 13, 2017, at 6:56 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva  
> wrote:
> 
> The first name of Calhetas was Calhetas de Rabo de Peixe. It means the 
> Calhetas area belonged to Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe jurisdiction… problably, 
> if records exist should be in Rabo de Peixe. Then they were part of Pico da 
> Pedra too. Only around 1920s they became a full Freguesia…
> eliseu
>  
> De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri 
> Mello
> Enviada: domingo, 13 de agosto de 2017 04:48
> Para: Azores Genealogy 
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel
>  
> There's a CalhetaS in the council of Ribeira Grande on Sao Miguel. Those 
> records start in the 1830s. Prior records are probably in one of the 
> neighboring freguesias, but I'm not sure which one. Maybe Rabo de Peixe.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:12 PM, bobcamscpw via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> hello everyone.  I am checking to see if there is records some where else the 
> Island of Sao Miguel, village of Calheta before the 1600's'  I just found out 
> that my Camacho line came from the Island of Sao Miguel they emigrated to 
> Madeira around the earlier 1600's.  So I am looking for records before that 
> time period.  Any help or ideas would be helpful.
>  
> Bob Camacho
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

The first name of Calhetas was Calhetas de Rabo de Peixe. It means the Calhetas 
area belonged to Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe jurisdiction… problably, if records 
exist should be in Rabo de Peixe. Then they were part of Pico da Pedra too. 
Only around 1920s they became a full Freguesia…

eliseu

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri 
Mello
Enviada: domingo, 13 de agosto de 2017 04:48
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

 

There's a CalhetaS in the council of Ribeira Grande on Sao Miguel. Those 
records start in the 1830s. Prior records are probably in one of the 
neighboring freguesias, but I'm not sure which one. Maybe Rabo de Peixe.




Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:12 PM, bobcamscpw via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

hello everyone.  I am checking to see if there is records some where else the 
Island of Sao Miguel, village of Calheta before the 1600's'  I just found out 
that my Camacho line came from the Island of Sao Miguel they emigrated to 
Madeira around the earlier 1600's.  So I am looking for records before that 
time period.  Any help or ideas would be helpful.

 

Bob Camacho

 

 

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