Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Ventura's class on Tues.

[Cheri Mello]

For those that don't know

João Ventura, archivist, from Terceira, is in California. He is the one
that was responsible for getting all the records scanned for the CCA web
site. He is offering a series of classes on the Catholic baptisms,
marriages, and deaths, which are written in Portuguese. He's posted about
it here a couple of months ago. I believe the classes are Tuesday,
Wednesday, and Thursday. Maybe someone else has his flyer or can post the
details here.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> Is anyone on the Azores List planning on attending Joao's class on
> Tues.AM? I am going and would love to meet anyone from the group
> face-to-face! Let me know.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Ventura's class on Tues.

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Hi all,
Is anyone on the Azores List planning on attending Joao's class on Tues.AM?
I am going and would love to meet anyone from the group face-to-face! Let
me know.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

[Mary Bordi]

Mike--

I would recommend a visit to the Azores if at all possible. There are some
good museums and even modern day artisan workshops that are preserving
handicrafts of long ago. Knowing some of the language might help. There are
probably many studies written in Portuguese.

Have you looked around this website:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/default.aspx (Same site where online
archives are located.)

They might have online info from the museums. I wanted to reply before I
forgot so I didn't look for anything specific.

Mary


On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 10:23 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Pico is not going to be different than any other of the Azores islands.
>
> Illiteracy was high for both children and adults. I want to say this did
> not change until the 1900s. Children did tasks for their age and size. Some
> milked cows. Some pulled weeds. Others may have churned butter.
>
> A child would be sent away most likely for a better opportunity or a
> better life.
>
> Most of Pico would have emigrated from the port of Horta. Those records
> start in 1836: https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores
>
> You might want to see if your local public library has a copy of "Atlantic
> Islanders of the Azores and Madeiras" by Francis M. Rogers. Part I is "The
> Lives of Azoreans and Madeirans" and Part II is "Their Values." It's
> written from a American perspective though. I read it 20 years ago so I
> can't tell you specifically what it was about. Maybe I should reread it.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Mickey Blue 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All, can anyone direct me to book(s) or information, hopefully
>> translated into English, which describe social customs and life in general
>> on Pico in 1825/35 when my Great grandfather Manuel Jacinto was born and
>> left Pico? Were children of that era literate? Was school available to all?
>> What work was expected of children under 10 years of age? Why would a ten
>> year old leave home? Are there shipping records to Trinidad or Madeira (he
>> possibly went to Madeira first).
>>
>> These are all things I would dearly like to know. I am hoping to write an
>> historically accurate fiction based on what I know about this remarkable
>> man. I know his parents lived and died on Pico. Though he was the oldest
>> child he was charged with stealing a Frenchman's watch in Trinidad in
>> December 1836, he had just turned 11. I am guessing he was there because
>> slavery was abolished and in 1834 the plantation owners on Trinidad
>> (probably mostly French) were looking for cheap labour to replace their
>> slaves.  The British had taken possession of Trinidad by then and Manuel
>> was tried and sentenced under British law. He spent the next two years on a
>> prison Hulk on the Thames in London before being "Transported" to Van
>> Diemen's Land, now Tasmania Australia, to finish his seven years sentence
>> (sentences were generally, hanging, 7 years or life transportation at that
>> time).
>>
>> If anyone has connections with Trinidad I would be interested if any
>> court records from that era survived and how to access them (I have written
>> to officials in Trinidad but have not received a reply).
>>
>> I would be happy to have any information that would help me understand
>> life at that time. Thank you in anticipation.
>>
>> Mike Emmett
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Mike,

Pico is not going to be different than any other of the Azores islands.

Illiteracy was high for both children and adults. I want to say this did
not change until the 1900s. Children did tasks for their age and size. Some
milked cows. Some pulled weeds. Others may have churned butter.

A child would be sent away most likely for a better opportunity or a better
life.

Most of Pico would have emigrated from the port of Horta. Those records
start in 1836: https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores

You might want to see if your local public library has a copy of "Atlantic
Islanders of the Azores and Madeiras" by Francis M. Rogers. Part I is "The
Lives of Azoreans and Madeirans" and Part II is "Their Values." It's
written from a American perspective though. I read it 20 years ago so I
can't tell you specifically what it was about. Maybe I should reread it.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Mickey Blue 
wrote:

> Hi All, can anyone direct me to book(s) or information, hopefully
> translated into English, which describe social customs and life in general
> on Pico in 1825/35 when my Great grandfather Manuel Jacinto was born and
> left Pico? Were children of that era literate? Was school available to all?
> What work was expected of children under 10 years of age? Why would a ten
> year old leave home? Are there shipping records to Trinidad or Madeira (he
> possibly went to Madeira first).
>
> These are all things I would dearly like to know. I am hoping to write an
> historically accurate fiction based on what I know about this remarkable
> man. I know his parents lived and died on Pico. Though he was the oldest
> child he was charged with stealing a Frenchman's watch in Trinidad in
> December 1836, he had just turned 11. I am guessing he was there because
> slavery was abolished and in 1834 the plantation owners on Trinidad
> (probably mostly French) were looking for cheap labour to replace their
> slaves.  The British had taken possession of Trinidad by then and Manuel
> was tried and sentenced under British law. He spent the next two years on a
> prison Hulk on the Thames in London before being "Transported" to Van
> Diemen's Land, now Tasmania Australia, to finish his seven years sentence
> (sentences were generally, hanging, 7 years or life transportation at that
> time).
>
> If anyone has connections with Trinidad I would be interested if any court
> records from that era survived and how to access them (I have written to
> officials in Trinidad but have not received a reply).
>
> I would be happy to have any information that would help me understand
> life at that time. Thank you in anticipation.
>
> Mike Emmett
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

[Mickey Blue]

Hi All, can anyone direct me to book(s) or information, hopefully 
translated into English, which describe social customs and life in general 
on Pico in 1825/35 when my Great grandfather Manuel Jacinto was born and 
left Pico? Were children of that era literate? Was school available to all? 
What work was expected of children under 10 years of age? Why would a ten 
year old leave home? Are there shipping records to Trinidad or Madeira (he 
possibly went to Madeira first).

These are all things I would dearly like to know. I am hoping to write an 
historically accurate fiction based on what I know about this remarkable 
man. I know his parents lived and died on Pico. Though he was the oldest 
child he was charged with stealing a Frenchman's watch in Trinidad in 
December 1836, he had just turned 11. I am guessing he was there because 
slavery was abolished and in 1834 the plantation owners on Trinidad 
(probably mostly French) were looking for cheap labour to replace their 
slaves.  The British had taken possession of Trinidad by then and Manuel 
was tried and sentenced under British law. He spent the next two years on a 
prison Hulk on the Thames in London before being "Transported" to Van 
Diemen's Land, now Tasmania Australia, to finish his seven years sentence 
(sentences were generally, hanging, 7 years or life transportation at that 
time). 

If anyone has connections with Trinidad I would be interested if any court 
records from that era survived and how to access them (I have written to 
officials in Trinidad but have not received a reply).

I would be happy to have any information that would help me understand life 
at that time. Thank you in anticipation.

Mike Emmett 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for marriage Joam Lopes NS Estrella Ribeira Grande or Sao Pedro Ribeira Seca

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Thank you Margaret,  That is one of the marriages. I just had not gone back far 
enough. 

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:27 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for marriage Joam Lopes NS Estrella 
Ribeira Grande or Sao Pedro Ribeira Seca

 

Marriage of Barbara Vieira to Francisco Lopes, paternal grandparents.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1736-1751/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1736-1751_item1/P158.html

 

 

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Thanks JR, These are further back that I thought. It looks like I need to go 
back further to look for the marriage of Joam & Maria do Rosario.  So far I 
have gone back to 1771 in Conceicao so It could be that Margarida was a late 
child. I have already look in Sao Pedro back to 1756.

 

Rick. 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 2:45 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for marriage Joam Lopes NS Estrella 
Ribeira Grande or Sao Pedro Ribeira Seca

 

I suspect Joao and Maria married in either Conceicao or Sao Pedro. Here are the 
other marriages.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1735-1756/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1735-1756_item1/P43.html

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1718-1736/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1718-1736_item1/P199.html

 

JR

On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

Here is the baptism of Margarida baptized in NS Estrella 3 Nov 1793  It lists 
her parents as Joam Lopes and Maria do Rosario,  Paternal Francisco Lopes and 
Barbara Vieira and Materno Jose Teixeira Gaypo/Gaipo and Maria Soares.

I have been looking in both parishes and cannot seem to find the marriage of 
any of the three couples in the baptism.  Has anyone come across any of these?

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1790-1796/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1790-1796_item1/P143.html
  Lower record on Right.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

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