Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[JR]

Here is one record that is close:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848_item1/P96.html

>From Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Joao, born, July 19- 1847, filho de Antonio 
de Souza native Capellas, Sao Miguel and Maria do Carmo native Sao 
Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada. But you need name of parent to confirm.

JR


On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 12:09:08 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> Sorry guys, I deleted my posts because I suddenly realized I had searched 
> the wrong name. It should have been Joao, *not Jose.* In any case, it was 
> not hard doing a quick search for Joao born to a Sousa parent in all of the 
> Ponta Delgada freguesias of Sao Miguel on or about the date of May 25- 
> 1847. Nor could I find one in Ponta Delgada, Flores. So the date is 
> probably an error or a guess. Without the name of a parent, it may be 
> impossible to find his baptism, because, in addition to an immediate parent 
> with a Souza name, Joao de Souza may have taken his name from a grandparent.
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 7:51:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Oops, yes, correct, Eric. I wrote it wrong above...too generic.
>>
>> On Sao Miguel island: Ponta Delgada is a council (county/province) AND a 
>> city.
>> On Flores island: Ponta Delgada is a freguesia (village) in the council 
>> of Santa Cruz.
>>
>> Until an island is specified, it will be looking for a needle in a 
>> haystack.  Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 4:40 PM, luiznoia  wrote:
>>
>>> On Flores, Ponta Delgada is a freguisia in Santa Cruz concelho
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:30 AM, JR  wrote:
>>>
 Of course the paternal grandmother should be Roza Joaquina.

 JR


 On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 4:27:25 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> Don't you have the name of his parents? The birth date could be wrong 
> and often is. You may have to look for his passport. Here is one Jose 
> from 
> Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, born to Sousa parent. The birth 
> date 
> is close but not an exact match.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848_item1/P93.html
>
> Top record, page 93, left page.
>
> Jose son of Antonio de Souza Ramos native of Santa Cruz, Graciosa 
> Island, Azores, and Maria Izabel native of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, 
> born, 
> June 18- 1747, bap- July 11, 1747. Paternal grandson of Antonio de Souza 
> Ramos and Toza Joaquina; maternal grandson of Antonio Ferreira and Joanna 
> Maria.
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 11:42:12 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Joy, joynpete at outlook.com.au
>>  
>> Joao De Souza was born in Ponta Delgada, Azures, Portugal on 25 May 
>> 1847.  Where do I search for his family records?  He came to Australia 
>> in 
>> about 1869 and I am visiting the Azores later this year and would like 
>> to 
>> find information on his family prior to his leaving.  Can you assist??
>> Joy
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[JR]

Sorry guys, I deleted my posts because I suddenly realized I had searched 
the wrong name. It should have been Joao, *not Jose.* In any case, it was 
not hard doing a quick search for Joao born to a Sousa parent in all of the 
Ponta Delgada freguesias of Sao Miguel on or about the date of May 25- 
1847. Nor could I find one in Ponta Delgada, Flores. So the date is 
probably an error or a guess. Without the name of a parent, it may be 
impossible to find his baptism, because, in addition to an immediate parent 
with a Souza name, Joao de Souza may have taken his name from a grandparent.

JR

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 7:51:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Oops, yes, correct, Eric. I wrote it wrong above...too generic.
>
> On Sao Miguel island: Ponta Delgada is a council (county/province) AND a 
> city.
> On Flores island: Ponta Delgada is a freguesia (village) in the council of 
> Santa Cruz.
>
> Until an island is specified, it will be looking for a needle in a 
> haystack.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 4:40 PM, luiznoia  > wrote:
>
>> On Flores, Ponta Delgada is a freguisia in Santa Cruz concelho
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:30 AM, JR  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course the paternal grandmother should be Roza Joaquina.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 4:27:25 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:

 Don't you have the name of his parents? The birth date could be wrong 
 and often is. You may have to look for his passport. Here is one Jose from 
 Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, born to Sousa parent. The birth date 
 is close but not an exact match.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848_item1/P93.html

 Top record, page 93, left page.

 Jose son of Antonio de Souza Ramos native of Santa Cruz, Graciosa 
 Island, Azores, and Maria Izabel native of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, born, 
 June 18- 1747, bap- July 11, 1747. Paternal grandson of Antonio de Souza 
 Ramos and Toza Joaquina; maternal grandson of Antonio Ferreira and Joanna 
 Maria.

 JR

 On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 11:42:12 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Joy, joynpete at outlook.com.au
>  
> Joao De Souza was born in Ponta Delgada, Azures, Portugal on 25 May 
> 1847.  Where do I search for his family records?  He came to Australia in 
> about 1869 and I am visiting the Azores later this year and would like to 
> find information on his family prior to his leaving.  Can you assist??
> Joy
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Cheri Mello]

Oops, yes, correct, Eric. I wrote it wrong above...too generic.

On Sao Miguel island: Ponta Delgada is a council (county/province) AND a
city.
On Flores island: Ponta Delgada is a freguesia (village) in the council of
Santa Cruz.

Until an island is specified, it will be looking for a needle in a
haystack.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 4:40 PM, luiznoia  wrote:

> On Flores, Ponta Delgada is a freguisia in Santa Cruz concelho
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:30 AM, JR  wrote:
>
>> Of course the paternal grandmother should be Roza Joaquina.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 4:27:25 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't you have the name of his parents? The birth date could be wrong
>>> and often is. You may have to look for his passport. Here is one Jose from
>>> Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, born to Sousa parent. The birth date
>>> is close but not an exact match.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>>> SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848_item1/P93.html
>>>
>>> Top record, page 93, left page.
>>>
>>> Jose son of Antonio de Souza Ramos native of Santa Cruz, Graciosa
>>> Island, Azores, and Maria Izabel native of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, born,
>>> June 18- 1747, bap- July 11, 1747. Paternal grandson of Antonio de Souza
>>> Ramos and Toza Joaquina; maternal grandson of Antonio Ferreira and Joanna
>>> Maria.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 11:42:12 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Repost for Joy, joynpete at outlook.com.au

 Joao De Souza was born in Ponta Delgada, Azures, Portugal on 25 May
 1847.  Where do I search for his family records?  He came to Australia in
 about 1869 and I am visiting the Azores later this year and would like to
 find information on his family prior to his leaving.  Can you assist??
 Joy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[luiznoia]

On Flores, Ponta Delgada is a freguisia in Santa Cruz concelho


Eric Edgar

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:30 AM, JR  wrote:

> Of course the paternal grandmother should be Roza Joaquina.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 4:27:25 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>>
>> Don't you have the name of his parents? The birth date could be wrong and
>> often is. You may have to look for his passport. Here is one Jose from Sao
>> Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, born to Sousa parent. The birth date is
>> close but not an exact match.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848_item1/P93.html
>>
>> Top record, page 93, left page.
>>
>> Jose son of Antonio de Souza Ramos native of Santa Cruz, Graciosa Island,
>> Azores, and Maria Izabel native of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, born, June 18-
>> 1747, bap- July 11, 1747. Paternal grandson of Antonio de Souza Ramos and
>> Toza Joaquina; maternal grandson of Antonio Ferreira and Joanna Maria.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 11:42:12 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for Joy, joynpete at outlook.com.au
>>>
>>> Joao De Souza was born in Ponta Delgada, Azures, Portugal on 25 May
>>> 1847.  Where do I search for his family records?  He came to Australia in
>>> about 1869 and I am visiting the Azores later this year and would like to
>>> find information on his family prior to his leaving.  Can you assist??
>>> Joy
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[luiznoia]

My grandfather's family is Noia from Flores. I have all of the Flores
history and geneaolgy books in print. The consensus is that there are two
Noia lines. One leads back to

Sao Miguel and before that to Porto Santo, Madeira. This line is centered
in Santa Cruz.



The other Noia group comes from the town of Noia, on the coast of Galicia,
Spain. It is a closest seaport to Santiago de Compostela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noia


Bartolomeu de Noia is the originator of this line centered in Ponta
Delgada. He died there in 1680. This is my line. I have a document chain
back to him.

In America, it some times became Noya. There is no shortening it. My great
grandfather dropped the Noia name at naturalization, and used his middle
name

Luiz instead.

I've spent 20 years picking apart the various Noia lines. If you have more
information for me, I can see where it fits in.


Eric Edgar

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:51 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for , 1halfazorean at gmail.com
>
> I googled my great grand mother’s name ( Nunes )and came across a thread
> with past relatives of her husband Antonio Noia! My great grand father
> naturally. Wow. It also lists their three children, my great aunt & uncle
> and my grandmother. Very interesting. It also mentions my mothers two
> brothers and not her or her two sisters or her!  Reading through all the
> past generation with all the familiar last names and some of the first
> names is amazing. Sure wish my mom was alive to see this information.
>   My question is, where did the Noia name begin? António Fraga sees to
> have started it all in the Azores, Flores. Fraga, Carvalho, Pimentel, De
> Jesus are also mentioned. I don’t see where the name Noia actually enters
> the family!?  Also mentioned is that, Noia was shortened or altered once
> arriving in America.
> Anyway, any comments welcome
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[JR]

Of course the paternal grandmother should be Roza Joaquina.

JR

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 4:27:25 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> Don't you have the name of his parents? The birth date could be wrong and 
> often is. You may have to look for his passport. Here is one Jose from Sao 
> Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, born to Sousa parent. The birth date is 
> close but not an exact match.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848_item1/P93.html
>
> Top record, page 93, left page.
>
> Jose son of Antonio de Souza Ramos native of Santa Cruz, Graciosa Island, 
> Azores, and Maria Izabel native of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, born, June 18- 
> 1747, bap- July 11, 1747. Paternal grandson of Antonio de Souza Ramos and 
> Toza Joaquina; maternal grandson of Antonio Ferreira and Joanna Maria.
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 11:42:12 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Joy, joynpete at outlook.com.au
>>  
>> Joao De Souza was born in Ponta Delgada, Azures, Portugal on 25 May 
>> 1847.  Where do I search for his family records?  He came to Australia in 
>> about 1869 and I am visiting the Azores later this year and would like to 
>> find information on his family prior to his leaving.  Can you assist??
>> Joy
>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[JR]

Don't you have the name of his parents? The birth date could be wrong and 
often is. You may have to look for his passport. Here is one Jose from Sao 
Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, born to Sousa parent. The birth date is 
close but not an exact match.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848_item1/P93.html

Top record, page 93, left page.

Jose son of Antonio de Souza Ramos native of Santa Cruz, Graciosa Island, 
Azores, and Maria Izabel native of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, born, June 18- 
1747, bap- July 11, 1747. Paternal grandson of Antonio de Souza Ramos and 
Toza Joaquina; maternal grandson of Antonio Ferreira and Joanna Maria.

JR

On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 11:42:12 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Joy, joynpete at outlook.com.au
>  
> Joao De Souza was born in Ponta Delgada, Azures, Portugal on 25 May 1847.  
> Where do I search for his family records?  He came to Australia in about 
> 1869 and I am visiting the Azores later this year and would like to find 
> information on his family prior to his leaving.  Can you assist??
> Joy
>
>

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