RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Aaron Pereira]

Hello Peter,

I have some good news.  Using the information you provided, I searched Archeevo 
, it’s a searchable database of some of the holdings of Azorean Archives-  
http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt.

What I did is search using Joao’s parents, and although Joao’s particular 
record did not come up, his brother’s ( Jose) passport citation did.  It 
indicated Jose was born in Sao Roque do Rosto de Cao, a parish in the municipal 
of Ponta Delgada.  From there, it was easy to find Joao’s baptism record.  He 
was born on May 27th, 1847.  Both are nice records, with Joao’s having the 1869 
certification.  Joao’s mother, Teresa, is from Lajes do Pico, so thats where 
the Lagoa confusion arose.  

 I’m happy for you.  Now when you visit the Azores later this year, you’ll have 
a deeper appreciation of your ancestors and where they came from.  Good luck 
with your research and I hope you enjoy your trip.

Here are the links to Jose and Joao’s baptism record: With this information you 
can locate records for any other siblings Joao may have had, and his parents 
marriage and baptism records.

Joao’s baptism link: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1843-1850/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1843-1850_item1/P142.html

Jose’s baptism link: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1843-1850/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1843-1850_item1/P34.html

Archeevo citation for Jose:
http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1113291

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[1halfazorean]

Yes, indeed. 
My family, as I recognize, from my great grand father, Antonio Carvalho 
Noia. He died before I was born. I remember my great grand mother. I met her in 
about 1962/3. She died a short time later & her son, Antonio Jr. died a short 
time later. My great grand father is # 9 was one of thirteen children according 
to the fabulous list you provide. Noia name is first mentioned, I believe, in 
the 2nd or 3rd generation? Who carried the Noia name in the De Fraga beginnings?
   I still don’t know how the Noia name came about.cliff

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirmation list Lajes Terciera 1635

[Cheri Mello]

That's what it looks like to me. What a lucky find!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> PV-LAJES-B-1610-1638/TER-PV-LAJES-B-1610-1638_item1/P70.html
> I think this maybe a list of the Sacrament of Confirmation listing child,
> parent, Godparent?  Thoughts.  Sandra Valine Dauer
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Confirmation list Lajes Terciera 1635

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-LAJES-B-1610-1638/TER-PV-LAJES-B-1610-1638_item1/P70.html
I think this maybe a list of the Sacrament of Confirmation listing child,
parent, Godparent?  Thoughts.  Sandra Valine Dauer

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pereira from Porto Formoso, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii 1883

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Shirley (thread 6 years old), shirldg at digitalpath.com

Lou:  I found this in Bob de Mello's book:

Manual Pereira, age 37
son of (Antonio Pereira X Maria Eugenia)
from Porto Formoso
WIFE
Maria da Conciecao,  age 29
(Damaso Carreiro X Maria Julia)
from Porto Formoso
CHILDREN:
Manuel, 7
Antonio, 3
(All born Porto Formoso)
SHIP:  Albergeldie

The Abergeldie's sailing time:  Jan 1, 1883 - Apr 30, 1883.
Gee, that was nearly 4 months.  It must have been a rough trip.

Shirley in CA

P.S.  let me know if these are your ancestors.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[luiznoia]

That is my work.


Eric Edgar

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 7:25 AM, <1halfazor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/azores/n6QT_fFpYqI/StqdGLkj4ZkJ
>   This where I got ALL of my info. from!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Sean Andrade]

Thank you everyone for the help!

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 8:06:20 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> Okay you are right. It seems I transposed the year from another file, but 
> at this point I don't know where the date came from. So 1785 is incorrect 
> for sure. However, I do have that Antonio de Souto married Antonia Maria, 
> Feb 19- 1786. He was viuva de Maria Gularte. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P100.html
>
> I will look around to see where I made mistake.
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:50:18 PM UTC-4, Sean Andrade wrote:
>>
>> Hi JR,
>>
>> I never found any records of Manuel having a daughter, but she is on the 
>> Citem site listed with no parents. I believe you have her marriage date 
>> wrong though as this record is from 1774 and you have her marriage in 1785. 
>> Can you see the correct year?
>>
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 6:22:13 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>>>
>>> Mel Gr.a de Andrade v.o de Ma. G.te nat Santissima Trindade, Capello, de 
>>> idade de oitenta oito annos, faleceu, May 10- 1774, sepultado na igreja 
>>> abaixo de da grade S.Matheus amortalado em habito picote a Irmadade das 
>>> Almas...he was accompanied by the college ...and he left will with 
>>> instructions for a number of prayers to be said for his soul. The executor 
>>> was his son in law (genro), Antonio do Souto, who was married to Maria 
>>> Gularte de Faria, filha of said Manuel Garcia de Andrade, married 13 Oct 
>>> 1785, in Capelo.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:04:15 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there's another "a" or if it's bleed 
 through. I tried to look at the image on the back page. Then I'm focusing 
 on the faded letters. It seems like it could be M^a ag^te (or a) or Maria 
 Goularte. Hope Sean knows who he was married to!

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 5:48 PM,  wrote:

> I think Cheri is right about the age, 88.  For the spouse I see "V.o 
> de M.a G.te" which I believe is widower of Maria Goularte.
>
> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Cheri Mello]

Joy,

I don't know what you mean by the register at birth. The Azores uses
baptismal records. There are a few nascimentos for non-Catholics. Those are
online too. Maybe you should provide a link to this document that you speak
of so we can see what you are talking about, as you are not giving us all
the information.

Yes, your researcher translated it wrong. There's no such place as Lagoas
anywhere in the Azores.

When you get "there?" There as in where? The Azores? I don't know what
island you are going to. That question was never answered, so I can't
provide any type of advice.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Peter O'Shea 
wrote:

> Thanks again Cheri.  I don’t have any baptism details at this stage.  As
> for Lagoas that was what was on the Register of Birth.  Maybe the person
> translating this register misspelt it.   Do you have any sites I can visit,
> or places to visit when I get there for such information?  Being such a
> “common” name it may  prove difficult?
>
> I know he came to Australia in 1869 after “voyaging in the southern waters
> on a whaling ship. However at this stage I’m more interested in the Azores
> area to look for his family there etc.
>
>
>
> I’ll search further over the weekend.
>
>
>
> Joy
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Friday, 4 May 2018 1:38 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta
> Delgada (no island specified)
>
>
>
> Hi Joy,
>
> Glad you found something. What was your island for the baptism of your
> Joao? The district archive of Angra covers all 9 of the Azores islands.
>
> Also, there's no place called "Lagoas" on Pico. There's no place called
> "Lagoas" at all in the Azores. There's a Lagoa, but that's over on the
> island of Sao Miguel. The only place with an "L" on Pico is Lajes. Hope
> that is what you meant. Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Peter O'Shea 
> wrote:
>
> Cheri
>
>
>
> Thank you for your information.
>
>
>
> I now have a Register of Birth which specifies the name Joao de Sousa born
> 27 May 1847.  Place of birth Ponta Delgada – District of Angra (Azores –
> Portugal).  Father’s name Jose de Sousa born Ponta Delgada.  Mother Tereza
> De Jesus born Lagoas da Ilha do Pico.
>
>
>
> I will check the websites you and others have forwarded to me.  Much
> appreciate your assistance.
>
>
>
> Joy
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 May 2018 1:53 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada
> (no island specified)
>
>
>
> Joy,
>
> There's a Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island and another on Flores island.
>
> On both islands, Ponta Delgada can refer to the city itself, or the
> county/province.
>
> Since you believe you have the birth date, search the baptisms on line at
> the Azores government site, the CCA. Start with the city itself, then move
> to the other churches outside the city, but within the council
> (county/province).
>
> https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores
>
> Pick the island from the left column, then the council of Ponta Delgada,
> then start looking for every Joao born on 25 May 1847.
> If you need maps as you expand your search, go to the Azores Gen Web here:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/
>
> Good luck, Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[1halfazorean]

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/azores/n6QT_fFpYqI/StqdGLkj4ZkJ
  This where I got ALL of my info. from!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Peter O'Shea]

Thanks again Cheri.  I don’t have any baptism details at this stage.  As for 
Lagoas that was what was on the Register of Birth.  Maybe the person 
translating this register misspelt it.   Do you have any sites I can visit, or 
places to visit when I get there for such information?  Being such a “common” 
name it may  prove difficult?
I know he came to Australia in 1869 after “voyaging in the southern waters on a 
whaling ship. However at this stage I’m more interested in the Azores area to 
look for his family there etc.

I’ll search further over the weekend.

Joy

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 1:38 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no 
island specified)

Hi Joy,
Glad you found something. What was your island for the baptism of your Joao? 
The district archive of Angra covers all 9 of the Azores islands.
Also, there's no place called "Lagoas" on Pico. There's no place called 
"Lagoas" at all in the Azores. There's a Lagoa, but that's over on the island 
of Sao Miguel. The only place with an "L" on Pico is Lajes. Hope that is what 
you meant. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Peter O'Shea 
> wrote:
Cheri

Thank you for your information.

I now have a Register of Birth which specifies the name Joao de Sousa born 27 
May 1847.  Place of birth Ponta Delgada – District of Angra (Azores – 
Portugal).  Father’s name Jose de Sousa born Ponta Delgada.  Mother Tereza De 
Jesus born Lagoas da Ilha do Pico.

I will check the websites you and others have forwarded to me.  Much appreciate 
your assistance.

Joy

From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018 1:53 AM
To: Azores Genealogy >
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no 
island specified)

Joy,

There's a Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island and another on Flores island.

On both islands, Ponta Delgada can refer to the city itself, or the 
county/province.

Since you believe you have the birth date, search the baptisms on line at the 
Azores government site, the CCA. Start with the city itself, then move to the 
other churches outside the city, but within the council (county/province).

https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores

Pick the island from the left column, then the council of Ponta Delgada, then 
start looking for every Joao born on 25 May 1847.
If you need maps as you expand your search, go to the Azores Gen Web here: 
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/

Good luck, Cheri Mello
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