Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another Altares baptism were I need helpreading the relationship of the godparents to the child

[bsei2816]

Hi Doreen,

I suspect the Francisco and Beatriz couple you have in your database is the 
correct couple (parents of the brother/sister godparents) and the priest 
simply made a mistake by repeating the godmother's name instead of her 
mother's.  I do not find a Francisco Gonçalves Velho marrying a MARIA do 
Espirito Santo on the Terceira marriage index, but there is one marrying a 
BEATRIZ do Espirito Santo (which you know because you put it in another 
post)

Furthermore, in a quick scan I found three children from this couple.  

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P33.html*
 

 
(Francisco, bottom left)

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P105.html*
 

 
(Maria, top right)

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P166.html*
 

 
(Joam, bottom left)
I think it likely that the Francisco and Maria above are Narcisa's 
godparents and the priest just made a mistake on their mother's name.  

I hope this helps.

Bill

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records at the Biblioteca e Arquivo in Ponta Delgada

[Cheri Mello]

Good job George!
I wonder what their plans are for overcoming the lack of room. They cannot
accept any more records from any other Civil Registries as they are out of
room.

I have some ideas on how to rearrange their archive and make more room!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 6:52 PM, George Pacheco 
wrote:

> July I was There and all they gave me on Concelho de Ponta Delgada was
> from March 1911 to 1922 Civil Records in those years  I copied all of
> Arrifes, Bretanha Santo Antonio, Mosteiros, all of Ginetes some Relva, Some
> Feteiras and Some of Ponta Delgada which contain São Pedro, São Sebastião,
> Fajã de cima and Fajã de Baixoand some Candelaria and a lot of capelas,
> some Fenais da luz, some of São Vicente abt 5542 documents
>
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 11:59 AM Judi Phillips  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting this list.  I was not aware of the Nordeste obits
>> going to 1959. More work to do.  Just a minor correction to the Archive
>> records.
>> When I was there last month I was able to find an obit in Ponta Delgada
>> from 1946, so those records go to at least 1947.
>> Thanks for all you do.
>> Judi Chaves Phillips
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2018, at 7:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Apparently, the Archive in Ponta Delgada did not give me the correct
>> information on their holdings. George Pacheco, a native speaker, got the
>> following information.
>>
>> Concelho de Ponta Delgada
>> Marriages up to 1922
>> Obits up to 1922
>>
>> Concelho da Lagoa
>> Marriages up to 1939
>> Obits up to 1969
>>
>> Concelho de Nordeste
>> Marriages up to 1959
>> Obits up to 1979
>>
>> No wonder they are out of room and don't have room for the other councils
>> (which are the ones I need!!)
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading this Altares Marriage record from 1825

[bsei2816]

Hi Doreen,

I see the same names you do and I believe the bride's parents are Francisco 
Martins Diaz and Rosa da Trinidade.

I wouldn't assume just yet that your database has a mistake.  The priest 
may have mistakenly repeated the daughter's (the godmother of Narcisa) name 
"Maria do Espirito Santo" instead of her mother's name which your database 
and the above marriage suggest is Beatriz.

Good luck,
Bill

On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 6:44:40 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco 
> Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria 
> de Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is 
> Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a 
> problem in my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can 
> get from this record would greatly be appreciated.
>
> The record is on the right side. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
>
> Thank you
>
>  
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from1825

[George Pacheco]

as you saw it Francisco Martins Dias written in the old spelling of Diaz
today Francisco Martins Dias

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 10:02 PM  wrote:

> Thanks. Was there anything else added to the father of the bride like
> Francisco Martins Dias? Or something?
>
>
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> *From: *George Pacheco 
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 4, 2018 7:00 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage
> record from1825
>
>
>
> Rosa da Trindade
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:44 PM  wrote:
>
> I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco
> Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria
> de Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is
> Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a
> problem in my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can
> get from this record would greatly be appreciated.
>
> The record is on the right side.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
>
> Thank you
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from1825

[doreencaetano]

Thanks. Was there anything else added to the father of the bride like Francisco 
Martins Dias? Or something?

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From: George Pacheco
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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record 
from1825

Rosa da Trindade

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:44 PM  wrote:
I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco 
Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria de 
Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is 
Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a problem in 
my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can get from this 
record would greatly be appreciated.
The record is on the right side. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
Thank you
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from 1825

[George Pacheco]

Rosa da Trindade

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:44 PM  wrote:

> I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco
> Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria
> de Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is
> Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a
> problem in my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can
> get from this record would greatly be appreciated.
>
> The record is on the right side.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
>
> Thank you
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records at the Biblioteca e Arquivo in Ponta Delgada

[George Pacheco]

July I was There and all they gave me on Concelho de Ponta Delgada was from
March 1911 to 1922 Civil Records in those years  I copied all of Arrifes,
Bretanha Santo Antonio, Mosteiros, all of Ginetes some Relva, Some Feteiras
and Some of Ponta Delgada which contain São Pedro, São Sebastião, Fajã de
cima and Fajã de Baixoand some Candelaria and a lot of capelas, some Fenais
da luz, some of São Vicente abt 5542 documents

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 11:59 AM Judi Phillips  wrote:

> Thanks for posting this list.  I was not aware of the Nordeste obits going
> to 1959. More work to do.  Just a minor correction to the Archive records.
> When I was there last month I was able to find an obit in Ponta Delgada
> from 1946, so those records go to at least 1947.
> Thanks for all you do.
> Judi Chaves Phillips
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 27, 2018, at 7:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Apparently, the Archive in Ponta Delgada did not give me the correct
> information on their holdings. George Pacheco, a native speaker, got the
> following information.
>
> Concelho de Ponta Delgada
> Marriages up to 1922
> Obits up to 1922
>
> Concelho da Lagoa
> Marriages up to 1939
> Obits up to 1969
>
> Concelho de Nordeste
> Marriages up to 1959
> Obits up to 1979
>
> No wonder they are out of room and don't have room for the other councils
> (which are the ones I need!!)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from 1825

[doreencaetano]

I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco 
Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria de 
Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is 
Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a problem in 
my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can get from this 
record would greatly be appreciated.
The record is on the right side. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
Thank you

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records at the Biblioteca e Arquivo in Ponta Delgada

[George Pacheco]

Baptisms is what s available on the CCA site, as of last week, that is the
only information that was given me.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 12:28 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> They gave me different information when I was there. I was asking for
> records from the council of Vila Franca. They told me that Ponta Delgada
> goes up to 1912 and the others up to 1905. Apparently that is not true.
> They told me that Santa Maria goes up to 1911. I don't know if that's true
> or not. Go with what George Pacheco had me post. I don't know where the
> births/baptisms are.
>
> Concelho de Ponta Delgada
> Marriages up to 1922
> Obits up to 1922
>
> Concelho da Lagoa
> Marriages up to 1939
> Obits up to 1969
>
> Concelho de Nordeste
> Marriages up to 1959
> Obits up to 1979
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pacheco Marques Genealogy

[George Pacheco]

here is the Marriage
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1860-1869/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1860-1869_item1/P66.html
Maria's birth
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1860-1869/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1860-1869_item1/P225.html



On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 12:03 AM Michael Giffin <
michael.giffin.1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you JR. Maria's death certificate gives her birth as 25 December
> 1867. Yes, 12 January 1868 is more likely to be her baptismal date. At this
> stage, the family is interested in confirming or establishing the identity
> of Maria's first husband, the father of her first six children. In the 1900
> Census, the last name of these first six children is Goncalves. According
> to the DeMello Passport Index, a  Goncalves family came to Hawaii, from the
> same village (Porto Formoso), and on the same ship (SS Abergeldie) as
> Maria's family.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pacheco Marques Genealogy

[George Pacheco]

Francisco Pacheco Marques son of Antonio Pacheco Marques and of Francisca
Rosa married on March 4, 1867 in Porto formoso with Josefa do Espirito
Santo , she is the daughter of Manuel Cabral of Porto Formoso and of Maria
Perpetua of Fenais da Ajuda

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 1:15 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Michael G,
>
> Your cousin Evan needs to transfer his DNA over to FTDNA. He gets all his
> matches for free. If he wants the additional tools, it's $19 USD.
>
> Then the rest of you need to DNA test. Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) is having a
> sale this month. You want Family Finder. It's on sale for $59 USD (+$12.95
> S - includes the return postage back if you are a U.S. resident, so all
> you have to do is drop it off at your post office).
>
> You have half your parents' DNA, 25% of your grandparennts, and 12.5% of
> your greats. You and your cousins don't have the same 12.5%. You have an
> overlapping portion. You want as many cousins as you can find who are
> descendants from Maria's husband #1 and #2 to test. It will eventually come
> into focus and you will figure out the people who you don't match in common
> as the family of husband 1.
>
> If your parents or their siblings are alive, test them first. They have
> 25% of Maria and her husbands in them.
>
> Order here: https://goo.gl/vTndP3
>
> Let me know if you have further questions.
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 1:30 AM, Michael Giffin <
> michael.giffin.1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is so exciting, thank you!
>>
>> A cousin recently sent me this note: "Evan recently did his DNA with
>> Ancestry.com and started to put his family tree together. He showed me this
>> name that came up for grandpa Joseph's father as Gonsalves Galego.  Could
>> it be that we thought his first name was his last name which is why we
>> could not find any info on him?"
>>
>> Joseph is the second son of Maria Pacheco Marques and her first husband,
>> of whom we know nothing, but the 1900 Census gives the child's last name as
>> Goncalves. Is there a connection between this and the Gonsalves Galego
>> mentioned above?
>>
>> On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 11:16:33 AM UTC+10, Michael Giffin wrote:
>>>
>>> My great-great grandparents, Francisco Pacheco Marques and Josepha
>>> Cabral and their four children (Maria[1], Margarida, Manuel, and Maria[2])
>>> arrived in Hawaii on 4 May 1883 on the SS Abergeldie. They came from the
>>> village of Porto Formoso in Sao Miguel. They lived for many years in the
>>> Laupahoehoe district of Hawaii Island (the Big Island). My
>>> great-grandmother, Maria[1], had six children by her first marriage and
>>> four children by her second marriage. We cannot confirm the name of her
>>> first husband; however, in the 1900 Census, the last names of her first six
>>> children is Goncalves. According to the DeMello Passport Index, a Goncalves
>>> family arrived in Hawaii from Porto Formoso on the same ship as the Pacheco
>>> Marques family. While it is big guess, villagers did tend to stay together,
>>> so Maria[1] may have married a Goncalves child from this family. I will be
>>> visiting Sao Miquel in November 2018 and look forward to seeing the village
>>> of Porto Formoso. Thank you, Michael.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another Altares baptism were I need helpreading the relationship of the godparents to the child

[doreencaetano]

Ok that means this is not the family I have in my database. I believe they are 
related though, Does any one know anything about this family?
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Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:19 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another Altares baptism were I need helpreading 
the relationship of the godparents to the child

It says the godparents Francisco Gonçalves Velho and his sister Maria do 
Espirito Santo; and thay they are children of Francisco Gonçalves Velho and his 
wife Maria do Espirito.  It doesn't give their relationship to the baby.  There 
is not Beatriz named.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 9:01:58 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
Good morning again. Here is another baptism records where I need help 
understanding the relationship of the godparents to the baby. The baby Narcisa 
is the daughter of Jose Martins Coelho? And Maria Joaquina. The godparents are 
Francisco Goncalves Velho? Is it saying that he is the son of Maria do Espirito 
Santoor his sisiter. Then it mentions Francisco Goncalves and Maria do Espirito 
Santo. Not a hard record to read, it is just that my ability to read Portuguese 
is poor.
Narcisa’s record is on the right side of the page. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852_item1/P199.html
In my database I have Francisco Goncalves Velho senior and Beatriz de Espirito 
Santo having two children Francisco Goncalves Velho born 12/1827 I n Altares 
and Francisco Goncalves Velho Jr, born 1835. I do not have parents listed for  
Francisco and Beatriz. I have Francisco Jr. and Francisca Rosa having a child 
named Manuel Goncalves Velho. And Francisco Jr. He has another wife named Maria 
de Socorro.
Any help you could provide in helping me build this family group would be 
greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need the relationship of the godparents to the baby born in Altares 1852

[Hughes Roselyn]

Hi Doreen,

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860_item1/P76.html
Marriage record for Jose Borges Franco and Maria da Lus.  Her parents are
Franciso Correia Brasil and Francisca Leonardo first record on right

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1782-1808/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1782-1808_item1/P77.html
Marriage record for Francisco Correia and Francisca Leonardo record on right

Hope this helps.
Have a great day.
Roselyn

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:07 AM,  wrote:

> Godmother is the daughter of the Godfather.  They are paternal grandfather
> and paternal aunt to the baptized child.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:35:24 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>>
>> Good morning, I need help reading the relationship of the godparents of
>> Francisco, son of Jose Borges Franco and Maria da Luz. I know that the
>> godfather is the paternal grandfather Salvador Borges Franco but the
>> godmother is not the wife I have listed for Salvador. I have Salvador
>> married to Antonia Joaquina. The Beatris da Luz listed as godmother is a
>> new name. I wonder if she is a maternal aunt instead of the wife Salvador.
>> I do not have the parents for Maria da Luz, mother of the baby, Francisco.
>> Jose had children with two women. I have not been able to find the marriage
>> record of Jose and Maria da Luz. His other wife is Isabel Maria do Espirito
>> Santo. Thank you for you help.
>>
>> You will find Francisco’s baptism record on the left side.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-
>> ALTARES-B-1842-1852/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852_item1/P199.html
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pacheco Marques Genealogy

[Michael Giffin]

This is so exciting, thank you!

A cousin recently sent me this note: "Evan recently did his DNA with 
Ancestry.com and started to put his family tree together. He showed me this 
name that came up for grandpa Joseph's father as Gonsalves Galego.  Could 
it be that we thought his first name was his last name which is why we 
could not find any info on him?" 

Joseph is the second son of Maria Pacheco Marques and her first husband, of 
whom we know nothing, but the 1900 Census gives the child's last name as 
Goncalves. Is there a connection between this and the Gonsalves Galego 
mentioned above?

On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 11:16:33 AM UTC+10, Michael Giffin wrote:
>
> My great-great grandparents, Francisco Pacheco Marques and Josepha Cabral 
> and their four children (Maria[1], Margarida, Manuel, and Maria[2]) arrived 
> in Hawaii on 4 May 1883 on the SS Abergeldie. They came from the village of 
> Porto Formoso in Sao Miguel. They lived for many years in the Laupahoehoe 
> district of Hawaii Island (the Big Island). My great-grandmother, Maria[1], 
> had six children by her first marriage and four children by her second 
> marriage. We cannot confirm the name of her first husband; however, in the 
> 1900 Census, the last names of her first six children is Goncalves. 
> According to the DeMello Passport Index, a Goncalves family arrived in 
> Hawaii from Porto Formoso on the same ship as the Pacheco Marques family. 
> While it is big guess, villagers did tend to stay together, so Maria[1] may 
> have married a Goncalves child from this family. I will be visiting Sao 
> Miquel in November 2018 and look forward to seeing the village of Porto 
> Formoso. Thank you, Michael.
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Another Altares baptism were I need help reading the relationship of the godparents to the child

[bsei2816]

It says the godparents Francisco Gonçalves Velho and his sister Maria do 
Espirito Santo; and thay they are children of Francisco Gonçalves Velho and 
his wife Maria do Espirito.  It doesn't give their relationship to the 
baby.  There is not Beatriz named.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 9:01:58 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> Good morning again. Here is another baptism records where I need help 
> understanding the relationship of the godparents to the baby. The baby 
> Narcisa is the daughter of Jose Martins Coelho? And Maria Joaquina. The 
> godparents are Francisco Goncalves Velho? Is it saying that he is the son 
> of Maria do Espirito Santoor his sisiter. Then it mentions Francisco 
> Goncalves and Maria do Espirito Santo. Not a hard record to read, it is 
> just that my ability to read Portuguese is poor.
>
> Narcisa’s record is on the right side of the page. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852_item1/P199.html
>
> In my database I have Francisco Goncalves Velho senior and Beatriz de 
> Espirito Santo having two children Francisco Goncalves Velho born 12/1827 I 
> n Altares and Francisco Goncalves Velho Jr, born 1835. I do not have 
> parents listed for  Francisco and Beatriz. I have Francisco Jr. and 
> Francisca Rosa having a child named Manuel Goncalves Velho. And Francisco 
> Jr. He has another wife named Maria de Socorro.
>
> Any help you could provide in helping me build this family group would be 
> greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
>  
>
>  
>
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> Windows 10
>
>  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need the relationship of the godparents to the baby born in Altares 1852

[bsei2816]

Godmother is the daughter of the Godfather.  They are paternal grandfather 
and paternal aunt to the baptized child.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:35:24 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> Good morning, I need help reading the relationship of the godparents of 
> Francisco, son of Jose Borges Franco and Maria da Luz. I know that the 
> godfather is the paternal grandfather Salvador Borges Franco but the 
> godmother is not the wife I have listed for Salvador. I have Salvador 
> married to Antonia Joaquina. The Beatris da Luz listed as godmother is a 
> new name. I wonder if she is a maternal aunt instead of the wife Salvador. 
> I do not have the parents for Maria da Luz, mother of the baby, Francisco. 
> Jose had children with two women. I have not been able to find the marriage 
> record of Jose and Maria da Luz. His other wife is Isabel Maria do Espirito 
> Santo. Thank you for you help.
>
> You will find Francisco’s baptism record on the left side.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852_item1/P199.html
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Another Altares baptism were I need help reading the relationship of the godparents to the child

[doreencaetano]

Good morning again. Here is another baptism records where I need help 
understanding the relationship of the godparents to the baby. The baby Narcisa 
is the daughter of Jose Martins Coelho? And Maria Joaquina. The godparents are 
Francisco Goncalves Velho? Is it saying that he is the son of Maria do Espirito 
Santoor his sisiter. Then it mentions Francisco Goncalves and Maria do Espirito 
Santo. Not a hard record to read, it is just that my ability to read Portuguese 
is poor.
Narcisa’s record is on the right side of the page. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852_item1/P199.html
In my database I have Francisco Goncalves Velho senior and Beatriz de Espirito 
Santo having two children Francisco Goncalves Velho born 12/1827 I n Altares 
and Francisco Goncalves Velho Jr, born 1835. I do not have parents listed for  
Francisco and Beatriz. I have Francisco Jr. and Francisca Rosa having a child 
named Manuel Goncalves Velho. And Francisco Jr. He has another wife named Maria 
de Socorro.
Any help you could provide in helping me build this family group would be 
greatly appreciated. Thanks


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Need the relationship of the godparents to the baby born in Altares 1852

[doreencaetano]

Good morning, I need help reading the relationship of the godparents of 
Francisco, son of Jose Borges Franco and Maria da Luz. I know that the 
godfather is the paternal grandfather Salvador Borges Franco but the godmother 
is not the wife I have listed for Salvador. I have Salvador married to Antonia 
Joaquina. The Beatris da Luz listed as godmother is a new name. I wonder if she 
is a maternal aunt instead of the wife Salvador. I do not have the parents for 
Maria da Luz, mother of the baby, Francisco. Jose had children with two women. 
I have not been able to find the marriage record of Jose and Maria da Luz. His 
other wife is Isabel Maria do Espirito Santo. Thank you for you help.
You will find Francisco’s baptism record on the left side.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1842-1852_item1/P199.html
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