Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

2018-08-18 Thread linda meneses
correction:

born 7:00am 1 December *1889*

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 8:17 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Aldina
> baptised 1 May 1890
> born 7:00am 1 December 1898
>
> legitimate daughter
> father = Jacintho de Souza Calouro, lives off his own means ("vive de sua
> agencia")
> mother = Maria da Paizao, "domestica"
> both natives and parishioners of, and married in, this village
> resident in the Canada Nova
>
> paternal grandparents: Manuel de Souza Calouro and Anna de Jesus
> maternal grandparents: Antonio Ignacio Rocha and ??? Julia
>
> godparents = Manuel Jacingho, married, a field hand and Maria Luiza, single
>
> hope this helps,
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Saturday, August 18, 2018 at 4:54:59 PM UTC-7, sznnca...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes,  I'm sorry... the relative is jacintho de sousa calouro. It should
>> be a baptism record for maria borges?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

2018-08-18 Thread linda

Aldina 
baptised 1 May 1890 
born 7:00am 1 December 1898

legitimate daughter
father = Jacintho de Souza Calouro, lives off his own means ("vive de sua 
agencia")
mother = Maria da Paizao, "domestica"
both natives and parishioners of, and married in, this village
resident in the Canada Nova

paternal grandparents: Manuel de Souza Calouro and Anna de Jesus
maternal grandparents: Antonio Ignacio Rocha and ??? Julia

godparents = Manuel Jacingho, married, a field hand and Maria Luiza, single

hope this helps,

:)

Linda


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> Yes,  I'm sorry... the relative is jacintho de sousa calouro. It should be 
> a baptism record for maria borges?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Athayde/Ataíde research

2018-08-18 Thread John Athayde
[Changed the subject to not hijack Suzanne’s thread on hiring a genealogist]

David —

We took it back to the 1600s.

I have death records for a husband and wife ~1700 but can't find marraige or 
birth records. Have not yet attempted dispensations, but that seems to be a 
long search with low possibility of success. Anyone else researching this line?

My 8th great grandparents note from João Ventura:

"Pedro Afonso Balieiro (d. 08 Oct 1706 Guadalupe) and Maria Rebelo de Ataíde 
(d. 20 Apr 1700 Guadalupe) are likely connected to the noble families: their 
daughter (D. Maria de Ataíde b 29 Sep 1663) uses the title of Dona (D.) in the 
1600's; he owned a grave in a chapel."

The name line back from me (jumps two maternal twice):
John Michael Athayde (b 1977 Houston, TX)
William Paul Athayde (b 1949, Oakland, CA)
Hubert Paul Athayde (b 1923 Merced, CA)
Manuel Correia Athayde (b 1893 Guadalupe)
Adelaide Isabel de Athayde do Conde (b 1856 Guadalupe)
José Espinola de Ataíde (b 1795 Santa Cruz)
Manuel Espínola de Ataíde (b 1749 Santa Cruz)
Domingo da Silva de Ataíde (b 1720 Guadalupe)
D. Catarina de Ataíde (b 1683 Guadalupe)
D. Maria de Ataíde (b 1663 Guadalupe)
Maria Rebelo de Ataíde (d 1700 Guadalupe)

We did not search church dispensations yet. I was hoping to find someone with 
some already discovered information before going down that rabbit (and 
financial) hole.

I also researched another line of a nominal cousin in California whose Athayde 
ancestors were from Gracioça as well, but found no direct connection there. I 
have those records here if you’re curious..

I’ve found one other researcher with whom I share the 8th great grandparents, 
but that’s it and she hasn’t gotten any further back either. I’d love to make 
an actual connection to someone listed in the Nobalario but that may not happen 
anytime soon.

Cheers,
John Athayde

> On Aug 18, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Kawika322  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> How far did you get back with the Ataide line in Graciosa? I have a line that 
> goes pretty far back with the Atiade's in Graciosa. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding a post by Bob Camacho

2018-08-18 Thread 'Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores Genealogy
Thank you  Doreen.
The issue like you state is that my 2xGreatgrandparents went back and forth to 
Brazil and had children there and also in Tericeirca.  Joao Ventura has help me 
on this family and was able to help me with most of the children earlier and 
that was born in the Azores, One person death record he was not able to find 
was my 2xGreatgrandfather Antonio Machado Evangelho.  If you don’t mine, can 
you personally emails me the email and name of the person that did the research 
in Brazil for you?

Thanks Bob Camacho

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding a post by Bob Camacho

I know the feeling. It happens to me too. You might want to have a discussion 
with Joao Ventura. I had the same thing happen in my tree when I was trying to 
find a connection with a DNA cousin. I had a Jose Coelho Berbereia de Melo 
married to Maria de Jesus having children for many years. I found out 
originally Maria de Jesus had been Maria da Conceicao and later in the records 
she was referenced to as Maria de Jesus. Her son Jose Coelho Berbereia de Melo 
married a lady named Maria de Jesus. I had the two couples as one. It only took 
Joao a few minutes to get me straighten out and back on the right track. I 
ordered a copy of the son’s marriage records. I already had the parents’ 
record. I had been trying to figure this out for two years. It was when I 
notice the birthdate of the children I knew I had a problem and need to get an 
answer before I could continue to work on this lineage.
Also Brazil is hard. The records are not organized. I just came across a few 
links and found some family records. The professional genealogist that I hired 
in Brazil was very expensive. In his defense, I did not have much to go on and 
the records are hard to search. He put in a lot of time. Because Brazil is so 
large there was some travel time involved too. Good luck. Doreen

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding a post by Bob Camacho

Thank you for the information.  Now this puts a twist on things.  As I found a 
marriage record for a son in 1934.  The son was born in 1899 and it had stated 
that the son father pasted and he was 42 years old.  So I see that information 
as a mistake.  I am surprise I did not find this information as I had gone 
through all those years looking for other children

Thank you again
Bob

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding a post by Bob Camacho

Bob, I believe you have been posting about the Antonio Machado Evangelho line. 
Below is this a link to a daughter of that lineage and it has a reference to 
Brazil.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P451.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogist for hire in the azores

2018-08-18 Thread Kawika322
Hi John,

How far did you get back with the Ataide line in Graciosa? I have a line that 
goes pretty far back with the Atiade's in Graciosa. 

Thanks,

David

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raleza, Antonio Soares

2018-08-18 Thread Cheri Mello
Sorry, Priscilla, I don't know what you are referring to.  Cheri
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:57 PM Priscilla Sousa 
wrote:

> Cheri this third shot you took of the nata paterna, could you translate or
> do you have these links for Soares Raleza?
>
> Please if you have them still.
> Thank you so much if you have it
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raleza, Antonio Soares

2018-08-18 Thread Priscilla Sousa
Cheri this third shot you took of the nata paterna, could you translate or do 
you have these links for Soares Raleza?

Please if you have them still.
Thank you so much if you have it 

Priscilla Patricio Sousa

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding a post by Bob Camacho

2018-08-18 Thread doreencaetano
I know the feeling. It happens to me too. You might want to have a discussion 
with Joao Ventura. I had the same thing happen in my tree when I was trying to 
find a connection with a DNA cousin. I had a Jose Coelho Berbereia de Melo 
married to Maria de Jesus having children for many years. I found out 
originally Maria de Jesus had been Maria da Conceicao and later in the records 
she was referenced to as Maria de Jesus. Her son Jose Coelho Berbereia de Melo 
married a lady named Maria de Jesus. I had the two couples as one. It only took 
Joao a few minutes to get me straighten out and back on the right track. I 
ordered a copy of the son’s marriage records. I already had the parents’ 
record. I had been trying to figure this out for two years. It was when I 
notice the birthdate of the children I knew I had a problem and need to get an 
answer before I could continue to work on this lineage.
Also Brazil is hard. The records are not organized. I just came across a few 
links and found some family records. The professional genealogist that I hired 
in Brazil was very expensive. In his defense, I did not have much to go on and 
the records are hard to search. He put in a lot of time. Because Brazil is so 
large there was some travel time involved too. Good luck. Doreen

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From: 'Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:26 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding a post by Bob Camacho

Thank you for the information.  Now this puts a twist on things.  As I found a 
marriage record for a son in 1934.  The son was born in 1899 and it had stated 
that the son father pasted and he was 42 years old.  So I see that information 
as a mistake.  I am surprise I did not find this information as I had gone 
through all those years looking for other children

Thank you again
Bob

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:23 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding a post by Bob Camacho

Bob, I believe you have been posting about the Antonio Machado Evangelho line. 
Below is this a link to a daughter of that lineage and it has a reference to 
Brazil.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P451.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogist for hire in the azores

2018-08-18 Thread doreencaetano
Joao also did a lot of work for me. I plan to use him again for the Passport 
records. He is accurate, quick and is a great value. When you are first 
learning you can easily make mistakes. After receiving the information and 
digital copies of the records with English summary of the facts I went back and 
located the records for myself. I learned a lot this way and knew that I was 
not making a mistake. Now I’m beginning to feel a little more comfortable to 
work on my own (searching and translating). Still need a lot of help so I’m 
always asking for assistance here. I’m presently working on developing width in 
my tree (in other words siblings of my relatives or family groups). This helps 
me find the connection between my DNA matches (aka cousins). Good luck. The 
people you meet doing this are great people. They are so helpful. Doreen

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogist for hire in the azores

We hired João Ventura to do a bunch of research for us. The hardest part in my 
opinion is trading the handwriting from old records. Once you know the words 
they tend to repeat an awful lot :)

João was great and we did four batches with him tracing the Athayde name back 
as far as we could on Gracioça. 

Cheers,
John Athayde

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> On Aug 18, 2018, at 3:06 PM, sznncarre...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,  i need to track down the actual birth certificates for my two 
> grandparents. Is there someone who can help me do this in the azores?
> Suzanne
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Raleza, Antonio Soares Vila Franca do campo

2018-08-18 Thread Priscilla Sousa
Fernando I'm sorry for this delayed reply what I have...
Vila Franca do campo -Raleza/Soares

Francisco soares Raleza born about1837 married to Antonia Julia born nov 19 
1830.
 their children where:

-Antonio Soares Raleza born may5 1864 married to Maria DeEstrella born 1871

-Manuel Raleza Soares( my great- great grandfather)  born jun17 1866 married to 
my great-great grandmother Maria Jose Ventura.  They married September 6 1893 
he was 30 and she was 14.
They had 5 children:
-Jose soares, Maria DeJesus Soares,Joao soares, my great grandmother Lucinda 
soares,Maria Ventura soares, Anna Ezabel soares. Some stayed in Vila the other 
children went to California and  Massachusetts .

Manuel travelled a lot with his brother Antonio to California and Hawaii 
Massachusetts, in their early 20's-35's together, the wife ( my gig-grandmother 
would stay at home in Vila Franca do campo months at a time with the children 
I was told these two brothers were really close

And The youngest brother I have

-Francisco Soares Raleza born Au 10 1869 he was born when his mother was 38 
years old

Hoping this is accurate 

Also did you do a DNA test or are you on GEDMATCH ?

Thank you I hope this helps us
Priscilla Patricio Sousa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogist for hire in the azores

2018-08-18 Thread Cheri Mello
Be sure to give that information to your researcher. It may cost you a
little more since you only know "probably Ribeira Grande." Some researchers
will work with you with that limited information and others won't. It's up
to each individual researcher. Good luck!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM  wrote:

> Thank you. I am looking for my grandparents who were born in the 1890s on
> sao miguel. Probably in Ribeira grande. There names are maria assumpcao
> borges (de sousa calouro) and camillo carreiro. His father was alverinho
> carreiro. Both my grandparents came to the boston area in the early 1900s.
> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

2018-08-18 Thread sznncarreiro
Yes,  I'm sorry... the relative is jacintho de sousa calouro. It should be a 
baptism record for maria borges?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogist for hire in the azores

2018-08-18 Thread John Athayde
We hired João Ventura to do a bunch of research for us. The hardest part in my 
opinion is trading the handwriting from old records. Once you know the words 
they tend to repeat an awful lot :)

João was great and we did four batches with him tracing the Athayde name back 
as far as we could on Gracioça. 

Cheers,
John Athayde

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> On Aug 18, 2018, at 3:06 PM, sznncarre...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hello,  i need to track down the actual birth certificates for my two 
> grandparents. Is there someone who can help me do this in the azores?
> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

2018-08-18 Thread Cheri Mello
Suzanne C,

There are 3 records on the link you provided. Can you name your ancestor?
Can you pick anything at all out of the record?

It burns out the translators when the record is translated and the person
writes back, "Oh that ancestor is not mine." So we want to be sure we are
translating a record for your ancestor and it's not a wild guess.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:24 PM  wrote:

> Of the is someone who can help with translation of this record i would
> really appreciate it.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1890-1894/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1890-1894_item1/P3.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogist for hire in the azores

2018-08-18 Thread Cheri Mello
Suzanne C,

Since I don't know if you are a 20 year old with grandparents who were born
in the 1930s or if you are an 80 year old with grandparents born in the
late 1800s, it's kinda hard to tell you what to do.

You can look at the researchers for hire on the Azores GenWeb here:
https://goo.gl/nDfVUx
Include the names of the ancestors, their birthdates (or approximate), and
their birth locations. If you don't have the birth location, most of the
researchers won't be able to help you.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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> Hello,  i need to track down the actual birth certificates for my two
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> Suzanne
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

2018-08-18 Thread sznncarreiro
Of the is someone who can help with translation of this record i would really 
appreciate it. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1890-1894/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1890-1894_item1/P3.html
Suzanne

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogist for hire in the azores

2018-08-18 Thread sznncarreiro
Hello,  i need to track down the actual birth certificates for my two 
grandparents. Is there someone who can help me do this in the azores?
Suzanne

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transaltion Assistance

2018-08-18 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
Tony;  Yes, I’ve done DNA testing.  This line is peripheral and I was just 
taking a shot in the dark when I saw your names posted.

Best of luck,

Sam (Camas, WA)

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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:06 AM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transaltion Assistance

G'day Sam,

No worries. Have you had a DNA test done?  Might be worth something to consider 
if you haven't. Cheers Tony

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 11:24:01 AM UTC+10, Azores Genealogy group 
wrote:
I found the attached document in the Book of Obitos for the town of Manadas, 
Sao Jorge but do not understand the contents. I can pick out various words such 
as the "island of PIco" and names such as "Manoel Correa Pereira husband of 
Barbara de Sousa" and "Luis Pereira husband of Maria de " as well as 
"Paschoal de Sousa son of Paschoal de Sousa Leal", the document does not appear 
to follow the usual recording of a death. Can anyone help me in translating and 
understanding the document. See second entry left hand side of the document.  
Thanks Tony
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transaltion Assistance

2018-08-18 Thread Azores Genealogy group
G'day Sam,

No worries. Have you had a DNA test done?  Might be worth something to 
consider if you haven't. Cheers Tony

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 11:24:01 AM UTC+10, Azores Genealogy group 
wrote:
>
> I found the attached document in the Book of Obitos for the town of 
> Manadas, Sao Jorge but do not understand the contents. I can pick out 
> various words such as the "island of PIco" and names such as "Manoel Correa 
> Pereira husband of Barbara de Sousa" and "Luis Pereira husband of Maria de 
> " as well as "Paschoal de Sousa son of Paschoal de Sousa Leal", the 
> document does not appear to follow the usual recording of a death. Can 
> anyone help me in translating and understanding the document. See second 
> entry left hand side of the document.  Thanks Tony
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding a post by Bob Camacho

2018-08-18 Thread doreencaetano
Bob, I believe you have been posting about the Antonio Machado Evangelho line. 
Below is this a link to a daughter of that lineage and it has a reference to 
Brazil.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P451.html

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