Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) interview on Houston Television
Very good! I like his explanation of the deck of cards being shuffled to explain the difference in siblings dna. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes) > > Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) is interviewed on Houston TV, > presenting the results of host, Deborah Duncan: > https://goo.gl/zDM9wL > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) interview on Houston Television
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes) Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) is interviewed on Houston TV, presenting the results of host, Deborah Duncan: https://goo.gl/zDM9wL Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Malinda/Ammalinda/Ermilinda CAETANO
Yes I am interested. Sorry for not responding sooner, using my wife's email. Ermelinda lived on Pele Street in Honolulu. A Larwrence A. Caetano passed away January 26, 2016.I think he is also family, You can search his name on Honolulu Star Advertiser orbituraries. You can phone me at 808 277-4037, not sure if good idea to list phone number. my email is teixeiraw...@hawaiiantel.net. Thanks, Wes On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 6:32 PM IslandRoutes wrote: > > Hi Wes, > Looks like you and I are cousins. My great great grandmother was > Ermelinda (Caetano) Siders cousin. I've been tracking this family in > Hawaii for years, though I have not made any contact with the descendants > until now. > > If you are interested in sharing information, I think I have information > on this family tree that you'd be interested in. > > Thanks, > Mel > On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-8, Wes Teixeira wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Malinda is my great grandmother. Her daughter, Violet Nunes my >> grandmother, and Jeanette Teixeira my mother. Interested in any records you >> have on Malinda's family. I lost contact with many family members due to >> years in military service. I recently moved to Vegas from Hawaii. Thanks, >> Wes Teixeira. >> >> On Sunday, February 19, 2006 at 11:03:30 AM UTC-8, Shirley Allegre wrote: >>> >>> Hi All: I found info on Ancestry.com , FAMILY TREES re the above named >>> person. >>> >>> It says that Malinda Caetano, b: 6 Dec 1877 in Sao Miguel, Azores; her >>> parents >>> Jacinto Caetano, b: abt 1848 in Porto Formoso, Sao Miguel, Azores >>> & Rosa Claudina Castanha, b: 9 Sep 1851 in Sao Miguel, Azores >>> >>> Malinda married: Charles F. Siders, b: 24 Jun 1857 in Hawaii; his >>> parents >>> were George C. Siders & Abbie, both born in Maine >>> >>> Malinda & Charles married 24 Mar 1936 in Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, >>> >>> I am related to Malinda Caetano. Actually, she was born as Ermilinda. >>> >>> If anyone knows who submitted this info, I would appreciate the >>> submitter's name >>> and hopefully an email address. >>> >>> I have some of Malinda's ancestor's back to the early 1600s. >>> >>> Shirley in CA >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
Wonderful answer Cheri and thank you for the personal analysis on my Dna results!! Susan > On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she > doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :) > > Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing.. > > Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and > taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or > region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. > Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take > a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population > samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing > is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country > level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. > FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on > the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the > geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, > bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were > searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we > could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the > geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the > companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The > genealogists will continue to push them. > > Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on > paper): > FTDNA > 48% Iberian > 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't > match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed) > 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the > algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving > DNA) > 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; > however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet) > 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North > Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to > the Azores) > 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an > FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample) > > AncestryDNA: > 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches > VERY well) > 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French > influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it). > > My Heritage: > 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population > samples) > 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types > went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet) > 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an > ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at > sea) > 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was > based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's > probably not Sephardic) > 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly > Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar > thing) > > We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and > improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet. > > Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. > Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you > fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing > to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples. > > Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of > DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans > between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a > parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are > looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. > > Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, > it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including > all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for > the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the > previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese > population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and > Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was > 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't > do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it and I don't
[AZORES-Genealogy] Shared CentiMorgan (DNA) Survey
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes) Blaine Bettinger, blogger of "The Genetic Genealogist" and author of "The Family Tree Guide to DNA Testing and Genetic Genealogy," is compiling actual statistics on what people are getting for their DNA results (in terms of centiMorgans). This data helps us figure out our relationships better. I have Word document called "Shared cM Project." I've listed all the names for the data that I've submitted. For example, I wrote down Shirley Allegre's name. So when I'm done with this email, I'm going to look at my matches and NOT submit the cMs that I share with Shirley because I've already done so (NOTE: I did say I'm submitting the cMs - not her name)! I will also let my match know that I submitted them so they don't do the same (that is, if I think they hang out reading Blaine's blog). Here's Blaine's announcement: The next update to the Shared cM Project will happen as soon as we have 50,000 submissions! We're at more than 42,000 submissions, so less than 8,000 to go! I'd be honored if you would consider submitting! If everyone here submits just 1 known relationship, we can finish it in no time. The Submission Portal is linked below, and is very easy to fill out! This always raises lots of questions, so I'll try to anticipate some of them. 1. If you *absolutely* need to check what you've already submitted, leave a comment with your email address and we'll see if we can get my helper to check. 2. The # of segments is optional, so don't count them if you don't want to. 3. At FTDNA, use the total shared cM value you're given, don't subtract the small segments. 4. Use the total shared cM value the company gives you, don't go and get extra data such as the X unless it is already included in the total. 5. If you have anything unexpected, unusual, or otherwise notable about a relationship, there's a field for that information in the submission. 6. All relationships are needed, but the more distant relationships (all half relationships and all full relationships beyond 3C) are most desirable. The portal to submit is here: https://goo.gl/qZWF4i >From Cheri: Use only 1 company. Whichever one you want. Don't submit the same person over and over again. Submitting really helps with our intermarriage/endogamy problem. I will have my genealogy program open too so I can say that the person is my 4C, 4C1R, 5C1R, 6C, 7CR2. That definitely states the endogamy! Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer) Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
Elaine S, Correct, the BEST use of DNA is to find relatives - both distant and unknown! Yes, DNA can open doors and some of those doors are closets (with skeletons)! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:15 AM "E" Sharp wrote: > My nephew had his done by one company, original finding no French, and > they recently updated his DNA and somehow he was now 50% Frenchthere is > NO French in the family to our knowledge!! I've come to the conclusion, > for now, the only thing DNA tests are really good at is finding relatives; > family members--cousins, an unknown daughter another nephew is the father > of.. > > "E" > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:28 AM Liz Migliori wrote: > >> How can this be >> What if this were a paternity test done by all different companies? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:14 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy < >> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Ok I’ll chime in >> I am 100% Azorean Portuguese >> >> FTDNA gives me: >> 48% Iberian >> 23% SE Europe >> 10% Scandinavian >> 8% British Isles >> 8% North Africa >> 2% Jewish >> >> Last Spring I did Ancestry sale and got >> 99% Iberian >> 1% Senegal >> >> Just got results from My Heritage this week: >> 45.2 %Iberian >> 13.6 %Ireland, Scotland, Wales >> 12.5 %Scandinavian >> 10.2 %Ashkanazi Jewish >> 18.5 %“three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is >> mostly Northern Africa. >> >> Not huge differences but wonder which has the biggest database at this >> point I would suspect Ancestry with all those Hallmark like commercials >> on TV. If so, it would make sense for me as it’s the closest to what I know >> I am. I’ve always rationalized all the many people who colonized the Azores >> explained the mix before, but when I got Ancestry results I thought “wow” >> that’s the closest to what I know to be true! >> >> Susan Vargas Murphy >> >> On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:37 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci >> wrote: >> >> That is so funny,Bill! Both of us show no Iberian with FTDna and in the >> 40% range on MyHeritage! I'm half Portuguese and half Italian. MyH is >> showing Greek which FTDna doesn't show at all but then my Italian side is >> from Sicily and it was overrun by everyone! >> >> Rosemarie >> rcap...@gmail.com >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:25 PM wrote: >> >>> I had previously tested with FTDNA and 23andMe. FTDNA had me 0% Iberia >>> and 23andMe had me as 42% Iberian. I just transferred my FTDNA data to >>> MyHeritage and they estimate my Iberian to be 40% (based on the same data >>> that FTDNA had at 0% Iberia) >>> >>> I am 50% Azorean with two grandparents from the Azores (Terceira and São >>> Miguel), one grandparent whose parents were German-Swiss, and one >>> grandparent from Ireland. >>> >>> Bill Seidler >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
Cheri, Thank you! Your clarification should help a lot of folks. It is a ‘process’. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she > doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :) > > Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing.. > > Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and > taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or > region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. > Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take > a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population > samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing > is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country > level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. > FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on > the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the > geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, > bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were > searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we > could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the > geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the > companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The > genealogists will continue to push them. > > Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on > paper): > FTDNA > 48% Iberian > 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't > match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed) > 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the > algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving > DNA) > 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; > however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet) > 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North > Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to > the Azores) > 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an > FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample) > > AncestryDNA: > 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches > VERY well) > 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French > influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it). > > My Heritage: > 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population > samples) > 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types > went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet) > 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an > ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at > sea) > 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was > based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's > probably not Sephardic) > 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly > Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar > thing) > > We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and > improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet. > > Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. > Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you > fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing > to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples. > > Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of > DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans > between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a > parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are > looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. > > Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, > it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including > all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for > the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the > previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese > population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and > Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was > 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't > do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
My nephew had his done by one company, original finding no French, and they recently updated his DNA and somehow he was now 50% Frenchthere is NO French in the family to our knowledge!! I've come to the conclusion, for now, the only thing DNA tests are really good at is finding relatives; family members--cousins, an unknown daughter another nephew is the father of.. "E" On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:28 AM Liz Migliori wrote: > How can this be > What if this were a paternity test done by all different companies? > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:14 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Ok I’ll chime in > I am 100% Azorean Portuguese > > FTDNA gives me: > 48% Iberian > 23% SE Europe > 10% Scandinavian > 8% British Isles > 8% North Africa > 2% Jewish > > Last Spring I did Ancestry sale and got > 99% Iberian > 1% Senegal > > Just got results from My Heritage this week: > 45.2 %Iberian > 13.6 %Ireland, Scotland, Wales > 12.5 %Scandinavian > 10.2 %Ashkanazi Jewish > 18.5 %“three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is > mostly Northern Africa. > > Not huge differences but wonder which has the biggest database at this > point I would suspect Ancestry with all those Hallmark like commercials > on TV. If so, it would make sense for me as it’s the closest to what I know > I am. I’ve always rationalized all the many people who colonized the Azores > explained the mix before, but when I got Ancestry results I thought “wow” > that’s the closest to what I know to be true! > > Susan Vargas Murphy > > On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:37 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci > wrote: > > That is so funny,Bill! Both of us show no Iberian with FTDna and in the > 40% range on MyHeritage! I'm half Portuguese and half Italian. MyH is > showing Greek which FTDna doesn't show at all but then my Italian side is > from Sicily and it was overrun by everyone! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:25 PM wrote: > >> I had previously tested with FTDNA and 23andMe. FTDNA had me 0% Iberia >> and 23andMe had me as 42% Iberian. I just transferred my FTDNA data to >> MyHeritage and they estimate my Iberian to be 40% (based on the same data >> that FTDNA had at 0% Iberia) >> >> I am 50% Azorean with two grandparents from the Azores (Terceira and São >> Miguel), one grandparent whose parents were German-Swiss, and one >> grandparent from Ireland. >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
I just transferred mine and my mother’s. She passed away several years ago. I have regretted not having her test with Ancestry, so this was a no brainer! Of course we are both on Gedmatch, too. I had an account with MyHeritage several years ago so there is an existing tree. I didn’t renew with them because I had only found only one other tree with a possible match and they never responded to my inquiry. Now I’m getting possible matches to my old tree but would have to join to view them LOL! Right now I’m just in it for the DNA. :) Mary On Thursday, November 15, 2018, Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Hi List, > I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's > instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity > breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I > have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show > 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this > at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is > basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA > Company transfer your raw data over and take a look! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :) Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing.. Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The genealogists will continue to push them. Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on paper): FTDNA 48% Iberian 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed) 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving DNA) 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet) 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to the Azores) 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample) AncestryDNA: 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches VERY well) 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it). My Heritage: 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population samples) 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet) 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at sea) 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's probably not Sephardic) 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar thing) We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet. Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples. Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it and I don't know the current numbers for their population samples. The latest company to revamp their ethnicity ESTIMATES was Ancestry. Which means 23 and Me or FTDNA are next. These companies want to have the most current information. So give them some time to go collect the population samples, analyze the data, and write algorithms and see how your new ethnicity ESTIMATES
[AZORES-Genealogy] Queen of All Saints Church Concord California
I have a book that I picked up at a book sale,it's the 100 year Jubilee for Queen of All Saints Catholic Church, Concord California, 2000. Some nice pics of the "church families" and in the back there are their names addresses. Anyone interested can have the book for postage! Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
Cheri needs to explain to you about each company and who has tested with them. It all depends on what that company is basing their info on. She can explain better than I can. Also, as Michael has stated, and we all know, the Azores were settled by many peoples from different lands. Europe was also conquered by many different groups so all that comes into play. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:33 AM Michael Giffin < michael.giffin.1...@gmail.com> wrote: > I just got back from my first trip to Sao Miguel and my family village, > Porto Formoso. My family left there in 1883 for Hawaii. Our guide said the > archipelago began to be settled sixty years before Columbus sailed for the > New World, the first settlers included the Flemish, and some were from > Brittany (and spoke Portuguese with a French accent). Complicating this, my > genealogical research of the US censuses of 1900 and 1910 tells me that the > Portuguese were not regarded then as Caucasian. So the DNA experience is > indeed complex. > > On Thu, 15 Nov. 2018, 7:29 pm Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > >> Hi List, >> I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's >> instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity >> breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I >> have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show >> 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this >> at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is >> basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA >> Company transfer your raw data over and take a look! >> >> Rosemarie >> rcap...@gmail.com >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
I just got back from my first trip to Sao Miguel and my family village, Porto Formoso. My family left there in 1883 for Hawaii. Our guide said the archipelago began to be settled sixty years before Columbus sailed for the New World, the first settlers included the Flemish, and some were from Brittany (and spoke Portuguese with a French accent). Complicating this, my genealogical research of the US censuses of 1900 and 1910 tells me that the Portuguese were not regarded then as Caucasian. So the DNA experience is indeed complex. On Thu, 15 Nov. 2018, 7:29 pm Rosemarie Capodicci Hi List, > I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's > instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity > breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I > have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show > 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this > at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is > basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA > Company transfer your raw data over and take a look! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Steve Perry
Sorry Katherine, with some of your double letters I probably made a typo in the search field on my admin end. So I thought you had dropped off. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:28 AM Margaret DaRos wrote: > Thank youdo you anything about the paternal side of the family...the > Periera’s? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 15, 2018, at 6:28 PM, luiznoia wrote: > > Steve Perry's (from Journey) grandparents, Manuel Silveira Quaresma & > Maria da Conceicao are from Prainha. Maria's parents were Manuel Cardoso & > Maria do Rosario b. Lajes do Pico. Steve's mom, Maria Cardoso Quaresma came > over at 1 yr of age on the SS Roma from Horta, Faial with her parents, > Manuel S & Maria Quaresma, July 24, 1923 > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:16 PM wrote: > >> Hi Katherine... >> >> I realize this email stream was started quite a while ago, but I was >> wondering if you have any additional information on Steve Perry's family >> history in the Azores. Steve's grandfather and my grandfather were >> brothers. My grandfather's name was Manual Perry (Peirera) and he married >> my grandmother, Mary Corcoran in MA. My grandfather's extended family >> lived in Lowell, MA. Because some of the family moved out to the west >> coast, my grandfather passed away before we knew we were related to Steve. >> When Steve did the "Raised on Radio" tour with Journeyhe brought all of >> us from the east coast to his concert at the Worcester Centrum so that we >> could meet him. He also brought three older relatives from CA with him so >> that we could all meet one another. >> >> I am hoping to visit the Azores and want to know which island Steve's and >> my great-grandparents came from. I know Pico was where the maternal side >> of his family came frombut not sure about the paternal side. >> >> If you have any research on this, I would appreciate hearing from you >> >> Thanks...Margaret (Perry) DaRos >> >> On Sunday, April 9, 2006 at 7:41:05 AM UTC-4, Katherine wrote: >>> >>> Hi Pat, >>> >>> No, sorry I don't know what island, but maybe I'll find out one of >>> these days as I'm always nagging cousins to invite Steve to the Borges >>> reunion. If he has any interest in his Azorean roots, I'd be glad to do >>> research for him! >>> >>> His grandfather, Frank Perry, came out from back east (Massachusettes, >>> I believe) with his friend, Frank Silva. Frank Silva married Lena >>> Borges, and her brother, Manuel, married Helvira Perry. They all >>> settled in Hanford, Kings Co., CA. >>> >>> For anyone on this list that has relatives in or from Hanford, the LDS >>> FHC in Hanford has quite a few unique resources for Azorean genealogy, >>> including a large Sao Jorge database. >>> ~Katherine >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
How can this be What if this were a paternity test done by all different companies? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:14 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy > wrote: > > Ok I’ll chime in > I am 100% Azorean Portuguese > > FTDNA gives me: > 48% Iberian > 23% SE Europe > 10% Scandinavian > 8% British Isles > 8% North Africa > 2% Jewish > > Last Spring I did Ancestry sale and got > 99% Iberian > 1% Senegal > > Just got results from My Heritage this week: > 45.2 %Iberian > 13.6 %Ireland, Scotland, Wales > 12.5 %Scandinavian > 10.2 %Ashkanazi Jewish > 18.5 %“three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly > Northern Africa. > > Not huge differences but wonder which has the biggest database at this > point I would suspect Ancestry with all those Hallmark like commercials > on TV. If so, it would make sense for me as it’s the closest to what I know I > am. I’ve always rationalized all the many people who colonized the Azores > explained the mix before, but when I got Ancestry results I thought “wow” > that’s the closest to what I know to be true! > > Susan Vargas Murphy > >> On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:37 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: >> >> That is so funny,Bill! Both of us show no Iberian with FTDna and in the 40% >> range on MyHeritage! I'm half Portuguese and half Italian. MyH is showing >> Greek which FTDna doesn't show at all but then my Italian side is from >> Sicily and it was overrun by everyone! >> >> Rosemarie >> rcap...@gmail.com >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> >>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:25 PM wrote: >>> I had previously tested with FTDNA and 23andMe. FTDNA had me 0% Iberia and >>> 23andMe had me as 42% Iberian. I just transferred my FTDNA data to >>> MyHeritage and they estimate my Iberian to be 40% (based on the same data >>> that FTDNA had at 0% Iberia) >>> >>> I am 50% Azorean with two grandparents from the Azores (Terceira and São >>> Miguel), one grandparent whose parents were German-Swiss, and one >>> grandparent from Ireland. >>> >>> Bill Seidler >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Steve Perry
Thank youdo you anything about the paternal side of the family...the Periera’s? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2018, at 6:28 PM, luiznoia wrote: > > Steve Perry's (from Journey) grandparents, Manuel Silveira Quaresma & Maria > da Conceicao are from Prainha. Maria's parents were Manuel Cardoso & Maria do > Rosario b. Lajes do Pico. Steve's mom, Maria Cardoso Quaresma came over at 1 > yr of age on the SS Roma from Horta, Faial with her parents, Manuel S & Maria > Quaresma, July 24, 1923 > >> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:16 PM wrote: >> Hi Katherine... >> >> I realize this email stream was started quite a while ago, but I was >> wondering if you have any additional information on Steve Perry's family >> history in the Azores. Steve's grandfather and my grandfather were >> brothers. My grandfather's name was Manual Perry (Peirera) and he married >> my grandmother, Mary Corcoran in MA. My grandfather's extended family lived >> in Lowell, MA. Because some of the family moved out to the west coast, my >> grandfather passed away before we knew we were related to Steve. When Steve >> did the "Raised on Radio" tour with Journeyhe brought all of us from the >> east coast to his concert at the Worcester Centrum so that we could meet >> him. He also brought three older relatives from CA with him so that we >> could all meet one another. >> >> I am hoping to visit the Azores and want to know which island Steve's and my >> great-grandparents came from. I know Pico was where the maternal side of >> his family came frombut not sure about the paternal side. >> >> If you have any research on this, I would appreciate hearing from you >> >> Thanks...Margaret (Perry) DaRos >> >>> On Sunday, April 9, 2006 at 7:41:05 AM UTC-4, Katherine wrote: >>> Hi Pat, >>> No, sorry I don't know what island, but maybe I'll find out one of >>> these days as I'm always nagging cousins to invite Steve to the Borges >>> reunion. If he has any interest in his Azorean roots, I'd be glad to do >>> research for him! >>> >>> His grandfather, Frank Perry, came out from back east (Massachusettes, >>> I believe) with his friend, Frank Silva. Frank Silva married Lena >>> Borges, and her brother, Manuel, married Helvira Perry. They all >>> settled in Hanford, Kings Co., CA. >>> >>> For anyone on this list that has relatives in or from Hanford, the LDS >>> FHC in Hanford has quite a few unique resources for Azorean genealogy, >>> including a large Sao Jorge database. >>> ~Katherine >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
I agree, Susan, not huge differences but enough to look at the other companies just to see what comes up! Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:14 PM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Ok I’ll chime in > I am 100% Azorean Portuguese > > FTDNA gives me: > 48% Iberian > 23% SE Europe > 10% Scandinavian > 8% British Isles > 8% North Africa > 2% Jewish > > Last Spring I did Ancestry sale and got > 99% Iberian > 1% Senegal > > Just got results from My Heritage this week: > 45.2 %Iberian > 13.6 %Ireland, Scotland, Wales > 12.5 %Scandinavian > 10.2 %Ashkanazi Jewish > 18.5 %“three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is > mostly Northern Africa. > > Not huge differences but wonder which has the biggest database at this > point I would suspect Ancestry with all those Hallmark like commercials > on TV. If so, it would make sense for me as it’s the closest to what I know > I am. I’ve always rationalized all the many people who colonized the Azores > explained the mix before, but when I got Ancestry results I thought “wow” > that’s the closest to what I know to be true! > > Susan Vargas Murphy > > On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:37 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci > wrote: > > That is so funny,Bill! Both of us show no Iberian with FTDna and in the > 40% range on MyHeritage! I'm half Portuguese and half Italian. MyH is > showing Greek which FTDna doesn't show at all but then my Italian side is > from Sicily and it was overrun by everyone! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:25 PM wrote: > >> I had previously tested with FTDNA and 23andMe. FTDNA had me 0% Iberia >> and 23andMe had me as 42% Iberian. I just transferred my FTDNA data to >> MyHeritage and they estimate my Iberian to be 40% (based on the same data >> that FTDNA had at 0% Iberia) >> >> I am 50% Azorean with two grandparents from the Azores (Terceira and São >> Miguel), one grandparent whose parents were German-Swiss, and one >> grandparent from Ireland. >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
