Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

wow Pam, that's, incredible.
I know of one tree on ancestry but the person hasn't contacted me yet.
unfortunately I don't know what happened to Peter, being the oldest of
Catherine's sons.
apparently he died at sea in 1909.
Paul James is my line, and Francis is the other line.
wow.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:55 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying Cheri.
> I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
>> Sao Miguel island.
>>
>> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
>> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
>> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
>> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
>> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anthony
>>>
>>> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
>>> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
>>> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
>>> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>>>
>>> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
>>> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
>>> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
>>> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
>>> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
>>> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
>>> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
>>> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
>>> could help here.
>>>
>>> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need
>>> to research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
>>> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
>>> genealogists.
>>>
>>> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
>>> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian.
>>> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>>>
>>> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
>>> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
>>> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
>>> Pam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver <
>>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
 he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's
 sometime.
 he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
 there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
 even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.


 On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
 wrote:

> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give
> a clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x
> great grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It 
> also
> told the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where 
> he
> died and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They
> are always very helpful.
>
> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia
> and New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were 
> often
> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
> hard life on these ships.
>
> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores.
> Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri
> has already suggested.
> Good luck
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Pam ..
>>
>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him
>> for not.
>> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
>> azores, somewhere
>> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
>> his life in azores.
>> thankyou
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anthony
>>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in
>>> Sydney NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship
>>> embarked from St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>>> Do you have an

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks, Marilyn!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:25 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> I just wrote using the URL and I sent an email to my congressman telling
> he needed to protect the rights of the people.
> Marilyn T
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:09 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Edna. The more that write, the better!
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:02 AM Comcast Dave-Edna 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you  I have sent my comments .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks for keeping us posted!
>>>
>>> Here's what I did. I went to the URL Elaine posted (yes, the question
>>> mark is part of it):
>>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?
>>>
>>> Then I opened the writing prompt tab and reworded and blended a couple
>>> of them together:
>>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
>>>
>>> I'm going to bug the list(s) every few days to do this.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:40 AM Elaine Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to
 their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
 been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
 the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they
 can in the short term stop the increase while they work on the longterm to
 release the records.

 Elaine

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

[Marilyn Thompson]

I just wrote using the URL and I sent an email to my congressman telling he
needed to protect the rights of the people.
Marilyn T

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:09 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Thanks Edna. The more that write, the better!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:02 AM Comcast Dave-Edna 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you  I have sent my comments .
>>
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks for keeping us posted!
>>
>> Here's what I did. I went to the URL Elaine posted (yes, the question
>> mark is part of it):
>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?
>>
>> Then I opened the writing prompt tab and reworded and blended a couple of
>> them together:
>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
>>
>> I'm going to bug the list(s) every few days to do this.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:40 AM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to
>>> their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
>>> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
>>> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
>>> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the longterm to
>>> release the records.
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks Edna. The more that write, the better!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:02 AM Comcast Dave-Edna 
wrote:

> Thank you  I have sent my comments .
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks for keeping us posted!
>
> Here's what I did. I went to the URL Elaine posted (yes, the question mark
> is part of it):
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?
>
> Then I opened the writing prompt tab and reworded and blended a couple of
> them together:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
>
> I'm going to bug the list(s) every few days to do this.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:40 AM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to
>> their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
>> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
>> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
>> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the longterm to
>> release the records.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

[Comcast Dave-Edna]

Thank you  I have sent my comments .


> On Dec 1, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for keeping us posted!
> 
> Here's what I did. I went to the URL Elaine posted (yes, the question mark is 
> part of it):
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?
> 
> Then I opened the writing prompt tab and reworded and blended a couple of 
> them together:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
> 
> I'm going to bug the list(s) every few days to do this.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:40 AM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>> I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to their 
>> lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have been 
>> turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on the 
>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can in the 
>> short term stop the increase while they work on the longterm to release the 
>> records.
>> 
>> Elaine 
>>> .
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

Thanks for clarifying Cheri.
I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.



On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
> Sao Miguel island.
>
> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>>
>> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
>> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
>> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
>> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>>
>> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
>> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
>> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
>> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
>> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
>> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
>> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
>> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
>> could help here.
>>
>> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
>> research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
>> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
>> genealogists.
>>
>> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
>> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian.
>> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>>
>> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
>> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
>> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
>>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
>>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
>>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
>>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
 clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
 grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
 the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
 and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
 always very helpful.

 My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
 New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
 shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
 hard life on these ships.

 You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores.
 Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri
 has already suggested.
 Good luck

 On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
 thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Pam ..
>
> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him
> for not.
> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
> azores, somewhere
> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
> his life in azores.
> thankyou
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
>> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked 
>> from
>> St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
>> descendants lived?
>> Hope this helps
>> Pam
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> South Australia ???
>>>
>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>>
>>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver
>>> wro

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

P.S. SOME of Faial (island) is indexed on CITCEM:
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 10:43 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
> Sao Miguel island.
>
> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>>
>> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
>> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
>> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
>> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>>
>> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
>> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
>> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
>> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
>> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
>> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
>> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
>> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
>> could help here.
>>
>> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
>> research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
>> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
>> genealogists.
>>
>> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
>> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian.
>> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>>
>> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
>> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
>> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
>>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
>>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
>>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
>>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
 clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
 grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
 the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
 and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
 always very helpful.

 My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
 New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
 shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
 hard life on these ships.

 You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores.
 Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri
 has already suggested.
 Good luck

 On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
 thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Pam ..
>
> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him
> for not.
> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
> azores, somewhere
> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
> his life in azores.
> thankyou
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
>> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked 
>> from
>> St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
>> descendants lived?
>> Hope this helps
>> Pam
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> South Australia ???
>>>
>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>>
>>> but hey, an

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
Sao Miguel island.

When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Hi Anthony
>
> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>
> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
> could help here.
>
> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
> research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
> genealogists.
>
> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. You
> might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>
> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
> Pam
>
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
>>> clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
>>> grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
>>> the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
>>> and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
>>> always very helpful.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
>>> New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
>>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
>>> hard life on these ships.
>>>
>>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. Then
>>> you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri has
>>> already suggested.
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
>>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Pam ..

 yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for
 not.
 im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
 azores, somewhere
 how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
 his life in azores.
 thankyou

 On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
 wrote:

> Hi Anthony
> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked 
> from
> St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
> descendants lived?
> Hope this helps
> Pam
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> South Australia ???
>>
>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>
>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>>
>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>
>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find
>>> info online ???
>>>
>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandship

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks for keeping us posted!

Here's what I did. I went to the URL Elaine posted (yes, the question mark
is part of it):
https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?

Then I opened the writing prompt tab and reworded and blended a couple of
them together:
https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/

I'm going to bug the list(s) every few days to do this.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:40 AM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to
> their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the longterm to
> release the records.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

[Elaine Mello]

I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to their 
lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have been 
turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on the 
https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can in the 
short term stop the increase while they work on the longterm to release the 
records.

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