Thanks for clarifying Cheri. I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.
On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on > Sao Miguel island. > > When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from > Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle > the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel. > The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the > Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Anthony >> >> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug >> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland >> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis >> Laurence and Paul James Silver. >> >> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his >> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the >> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I >> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However >> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on >> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of >> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the >> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra >> could help here. >> >> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to >> research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of >> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups >> genealogists. >> >> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on >> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. >> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village. >> >> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you >> wish. My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar >> timeframe to your Joseph Silver. >> Pam >> >> >> >> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores. >>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime. >>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla. >>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try. >>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a >>>> clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great >>>> grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told >>>> the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died >>>> and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are >>>> always very helpful. >>>> >>>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and >>>> New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often >>>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a >>>> hard life on these ships. >>>> >>>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. >>>> Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri >>>> has already suggested. >>>> Good luck >>>> >>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Pam .. >>>>> >>>>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him >>>>> for not. >>>>> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in >>>>> azores, somewhere >>>>> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just >>>>> his life in azores. >>>>> thankyou >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Anthony >>>>>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney >>>>>> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked >>>>>> from >>>>>> St Johns New Brunswick Canada. >>>>>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his >>>>>> descendants lived? >>>>>> Hope this helps >>>>>> Pam >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> South Australia ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find >>>>>>>> info online ??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/734b12c4-5878-4abc-9e1b-099f423b827a%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/734b12c4-5878-4abc-9e1b-099f423b827a%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAH0CwXvQ5Y-pLhQ0YjU5qSFcvJMs8r65j2A8Je74mmkN9qpuWw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAH0CwXvQ5Y-pLhQ0YjU5qSFcvJMs8r65j2A8Je74mmkN9qpuWw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKsLXceTKb_QtO5oTUEVj2-4tGw6oPU2mZgAm_6Aa7E4MpN9Ag%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKsLXceTKb_QtO5oTUEVj2-4tGw6oPU2mZgAm_6Aa7E4MpN9Ag%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAH0CwXt%3Dd0xxgA5fb1BtKcLqEXqip%3D5q5YFfg5Fv4i9a4wA3kw%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAH0CwXt%3Dd0xxgA5fb1BtKcLqEXqip%3D5q5YFfg5Fv4i9a4wA3kw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKsLXcfQkniXHXyfpM8mVe%3D%3DzrpimRXbAJXNeC3M5O5wqgae2g%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKsLXcfQkniXHXyfpM8mVe%3D%3DzrpimRXbAJXNeC3M5O5wqgae2g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAH0CwXviJxTLo-xLkmdf4-_rMAmmo60EKrUcLJKOyyZ_8Bgaiw%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAH0CwXviJxTLo-xLkmdf4-_rMAmmo60EKrUcLJKOyyZ_8Bgaiw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GUfOMY8z6mAT6A%3DAgFY_O2OEvu0-R-Fxa93oQgVUf-Lg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GUfOMY8z6mAT6A%3DAgFY_O2OEvu0-R-Fxa93oQgVUf-Lg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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