It is written Osiana. How do I see Eugenia? How do you pronounce the word
“ASIA” If you sound it off correctly it sounds like the letter “ J ” not the S
sound. Now take this and pronounce Ojina, what do you get?
Cheri, I didn’t do anything different than anyone else researching for
information. And, no I didn’t have the couple in my database. I also knew it
was like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. I suppose I was lucky to have
found that needle. I should say Rob is the lucky one. I found the couple
within a day or two of Rob’s first email but his estimated dates were not
matching my findings, neither was his story, so I dismissed it and kept an eye
out for other same name couples during my other research. I also continued
work on this particular couple gathering as much info as I could about parents,
grandparents, children etc. and saw that there were too many coincidences
matching up to his story but the timing was still off. Now that Rob provided a
solid piece of evidence plus another solidifying piece of his cousin’s marriage
certificate, I knew the research paid off and that it could be passed on to
Rob.
Margaret V.
PS: one important part of the research was the couples children’s godparents
who led me to connecting the dots in between the two Australian marriages.
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: January 3, 2020 2:21 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
Orsiana (sp?) is Eugenia? OK, I really don't understand Australian accents. So
was it something you had in your database? How did you figure it out? Many on
this list want to learn how to do it themselves.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:00 AM Margaret Vicente
wrote:
Hello Rob,
I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I have
your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do Couto.
Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia. Maria Eugenia and
Claudina Eugenia.
Margaret Vicente
From: Rob Whaite
Sent: January 3, 2020 1:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
Hi
I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of the
first marriage is the bride of the second.
Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature.
So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the other.
Rob
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite wrote:
Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto wrote:
Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along with the
fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name, suggests that the
two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good guess.
I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned that the
name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and Uraguay and
I’m sure other places as well.
Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone
named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m
interested in how your search plays out. Good luck!
Nancy
On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana?
Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an "ana"
sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to
indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't.
To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
wrote:
Hi Rob,
I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are referring to.
The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in the church, they went
together to record the marriages officially. Yes, I believe the grooms were
likely cousins. Both mothers are reported to use Osiana... their first names
are Mary and Claudina. One spelling looked like Asiana. I also didn’t find
a Portuguese surname that was similar.
Does anyone have name ideas? I suspect the grooms are doing the best they
can. Both used a mark to sign.
If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.
Debbie
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite wrote:
Hi Cheri
I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State of
Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same
place(suspicious)?
Both their mothers have the same maiden name
