Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-20 Thread Anthony Silver 
the spelling is Manilla, two L's.



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Monday, 20 January 2020 4:51 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Hi Anthony,

I can't remember the percentage of Azoreans who are now Roman Catholic. It's 
high. Back in the day, it was probably something like 98% were Catholic. Maybe 
someone has those statistics.

At the time period you are speaking about, there are no birth records. Birth 
records didn't start until 1911. Before that, we use the Catholic Church 
baptisms as our source for birth records. So a baby would be born at home and 
within a few days to a week (*typically* - there are always exceptions), the 
baby would be taken to the local church to be baptized. Since your ancestors 
had already left the Azores, they would have to baptize their baby when they 
arrived in Australia. You need to check the Australian Catholic Church records 
near the port where your ancestors arrived.

The Azores islands do have some regional differences, just like many countries 
have regional differences.

Farming, fishing were very common and many still do farm or fish now.

Manila? North South West? Is that the Philippines? I thought you were talking 
Australia.

For arrival documents, you'd have to check your country (Philippines or 
Australia or whatever you are talking about) and ask about their arrival 
records or immigration records. A local genealogy society or your local Family 
History Center should be able to help you. If you don't know what a Family 
History Center is, look up Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints 
(Mormons) and call them and ask where the nearest Family History Center is. No, 
you don't have to be Mormon/LDS to use it. It is open to the public like any 
other library, however many have limited hours since they are run by volunteers.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
hmmm, ok.
just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own 
"characteristics" or "traits"?
also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
were there may farming families back then?


From: azores@googlegroups.com 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-20 Thread Cheri Mello 
Hi Anthony,

I can't remember the percentage of Azoreans who are now Roman Catholic.
It's high. Back in the day, it was probably something like 98% were
Catholic. Maybe someone has those statistics.

At the time period you are speaking about, there are no birth records.
Birth records didn't start until 1911. Before that, we use the Catholic
Church baptisms as our source for birth records. So a baby would be born at
home and within a few days to a week (*typically* - there are always
exceptions), the baby would be taken to the local church to be baptized.
Since your ancestors had already left the Azores, they would have to
baptize their baby when they arrived in Australia. You need to check the
Australian Catholic Church records near the port where your ancestors
arrived.

The Azores islands do have some regional differences, just like many
countries have regional differences.

Farming, fishing were very common and many still do farm or fish now.

Manila? North South West? Is that the Philippines? I thought you were
talking Australia.

For arrival documents, you'd have to check your country (Philippines or
Australia or whatever you are talking about) and ask about their arrival
records or immigration records. A local genealogy society or your local
Family History Center should be able to help you. If you don't know what a
Family History Center is, look up Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints (Mormons) and call them and ask where the nearest Family History
Center is. No, you don't have to be Mormon/LDS to use it. It is open to the
public like any other library, however many have limited hours since they
are run by volunteers.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
> and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
> hmmm, ok.
> just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own
> "characteristics" or "traits"?
> also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
> were there may farming families back then?
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
> coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
> didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
> could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
> same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!
>
> If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
> recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
> The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
> born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
> which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Anthony
> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
> for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
> there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
> therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
> Hopefully someone can help.
> Pam
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
> Thankyou Cheri.
> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Anthony S,
>
> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>
> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>
> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
> Schooling

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-20 Thread Anthony Silver 
well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
hmmm, ok.
just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own 
"characteristics" or "traits"?
also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
were there may farming families back then?


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-20 Thread Anthony Silver 
what arrival documents?
who has those?
this is amusing because no one in my family seems to know about this.



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Pamela 
Hand 
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 12:48 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Yes seems crazy but people did things for whatever reason and his tombstone 
states that he was born at sea, western Azores. He came to Australia as an 
adult and arrival documents state birthplace is Faial. Baptisms happened as 
soon as possible so could be either nearest church to the port in Horta or 
Lisbon depending on where the boat was headed? Any suggestions which 
parish/freguesia closest to the ports in either place would be a starting point.
Thanks

On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 05:10, Cheri Mello 
mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

2020-01-20 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
I would look through the marriages in Sao Jose as there are much less records 
to look at. 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 12:14 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

 

HI Rob,

 

You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada, going 
one by one. 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite mailto:rwhait...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi 

 

I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta 
Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .

He was also married in the same village in 1837. 

 

Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!

 

Kind Regards

 

Rob

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

2020-01-20 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
You did not say what his wife’s name was but here is a marriage of a Jose do 
Couto.  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843_item1/P26.html
 

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 12:14 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

 

HI Rob,

 

You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada, going 
one by one. 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite mailto:rwhait...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi 

 

I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta 
Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .

He was also married in the same village in 1837. 

 

Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!

 

Kind Regards

 

Rob

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

2020-01-20 Thread Cheri Mello 
HI Rob,

You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada,
going one by one.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta
> Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .
> He was also married in the same village in 1837.
>
> Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Rob
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

2020-01-20 Thread Rob Whaite 
Hi 

I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta 
Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .
He was also married in the same village in 1837. 

Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!

Kind Regards

Rob

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