[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores

2013-12-16 Thread Steve Burton
Hi Ed.
My parent's families are also from Flores  I find the records challenging 
because of clarity more than not being able to read Portuguese.  I don't 
know about the surname Anthony or Antonio but my relatives have that as a 
first name  the last name Miguel (which is really a first name as is 
Anthony).  Their surname is also listed as da Freitas with the Miguel,  
sometimes used alone.  I also have Nicolau as a first name for my 2nd great 
grandfather.  I would play around with some of my surnames  use Antonio or 
Antone as a first name.  You have given me a great idea for mine  that is 
to use my Antonio as a last name.  Thanks!  They often switched names 
around; e.g., the father would be Joao Antonio  the son would be Antonio 
Joao.  Good luck!

On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:16:13 PM UTC-8, destin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good afternoon,

 My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in 
 Tennessee.  I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last 
 few years and one our greatest challenges  is on the “Anthony” line since 
 it apparently goes through the Azores.  I am checking to see if anyone 
 has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores.  All the U.S 
 information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. 
 Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores.  Based on the 
 records in the U. S. his parents were also born there.  I have no parish 
 or village to go by.   Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to 
 the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT.  I know 
 he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is 
 on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores.  My 
 guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but 
 not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?).  I 
 took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the 
 CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese.  
 I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a 
 challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores.  
 If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already 
 has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help 
 you could provide.  I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese 
 name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, 
 grandparents, and other siblings if any.   I am open to other suggestions 
 on steps to take in locating this information.  Thank you for your time.

 Ed


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Introduction

2013-12-09 Thread Steve Burton
 Miguel de Freitas.

 This exact thing is very common in the Azores, at least. It would
 surprise me if it wasn't also common elsewhere in Portugal, but I don't
 have enough experience elsewhere to tell you with any confidence.

 I have an ancestor whose name was Lourenço da Rocha Homem on my direct
 paternal line. Most of the time he used just Lourenço da Rocha, born in
 1751, if I recall correctly, in Terceira. My line continued with the double
 surname of Rocha Homem (now Rocha Holmes for my children), but his
 brothers, four of them, honored their father by using as their surname the
 combination of Rocha Lourenço. And like your Miguel line, this name
 combination continues to this day in Terceira. In fact, there is a person
 in the USA who got the DNA test named Lawrence who is one of these
 descendants and they didn't even know it was in honor of that ancestor.

 Good luck.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Introduction
 From: Steve Burton up4orch...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, December 08, 2013 9:34 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 Cheri
 Thanks for responding so promptly.  I have some information on my 2nd
 great grandfather Nicolau de Freitas (B-abt 1795 I think Lomba, Lajes das
 Flores  D-12 Feb 1860 documented in Lomba, Lajes das Flores)  on his wife
 Ana de Jesus Pimentel (B-1800, D-1886) also Lomba, Lajes das Flores.  I'm
 looking to expand information on Nicolau's parents (Francisco de Freitas
 Miguel B-abt 1732  Maria Francisca Pimentel).  We have looked at records
 in Flores  nearby Corvo but we're not finding anything.  Should I look on
 other islands?  If so, do you have an on-line resource that I could
 research?  Since the surname Miguel does not seem common in the islands,
 could they have immigrated from mainland Portugal?  What source is
 available for Portugal?  I've done the search on the Ancestry data base 
 found nothing on any island.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Introduction

2013-12-08 Thread Steve Burton
Cheri
Thanks for responding so promptly.  I have some information on my 2nd great 
grandfather Nicolau de Freitas (B-abt 1795 I think Lomba, Lajes das Flores 
 D-12 Feb 1860 documented in Lomba, Lajes das Flores)  on his wife Ana de 
Jesus Pimentel (B-1800, D-1886) also Lomba, Lajes das Flores.  I'm looking 
to expand information on Nicolau's parents (Francisco de Freitas Miguel 
B-abt 1732  Maria Francisca Pimentel).  We have looked at records in 
Flores  nearby Corvo but we're not finding anything.  Should I look on 
other islands?  If so, do you have an on-line resource that I could 
research?  Since the surname Miguel does not seem common in the islands, 
could they have immigrated from mainland Portugal?  What source is 
available for Portugal?  I've done the search on the Ancestry data base  
found nothing on any island.

I appreciate any help and/or direction.  Also, can I use my DNA results 
from Ancestry.com to join the Azores DNA project?  I also had my DNA 
analyzed through 23  me  was very disappointed in the results.

Shirley Miguel Burton

On Saturday, December 7, 2013 8:10:34 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Shirley Miguel,
 I run the Azores DNA project with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA).  There are 616 
 of us in the Azores DNA project.  I think there are maybe 12 people on 
 Ancestry (I run the project there too, but their admin tools are lame).

 Spain and Portugal make up the Iberian Peninsula.  I don't remember the 
 reference population for Ancestry, but it was recently updated.  FTDNA is 
 currently updating their reference population database and it will include 
 Portuguese.  Hopefully they will have it ready to go next year.

 You never really stated what you perceive your 'logjam to be, nor did you 
 ask any direct questions, so I'm not real sure how to help you.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: European Portuguese?

2013-12-08 Thread Steve Burton
Helen
Thanks, I will.  I'm new to this, but will try  catch up.
Shirley Miguel

On Saturday, December 7, 2013 8:35:02 PM UTC-8, hke...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  
 Shirley,
  
 See my email of Friday that has a link that answers your question.
  
 Best,
 helen cunha kerner

   *From:* Shirley Miguel up4g...@gmail.com javascript:
 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 *Sent:* Saturday, December 7, 2013 6:12 PM
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: European Portuguese?

  I'd like the answer as well.  I bought a dictionary, but returned it 
 because it was Brazilian Portuguese. 
 Shirley

 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 7:45:33 PM UTC-8, Anthony Soares wrote: 

 Does any one out there know a good source to learn European as opposed to 
 Brazillian Portuguese ?

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