Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help
Linda, Thank you so much for taking the time to look at them and help me. Now I know that the numbers were age, that will help a lot. I knew the destination, but have q hard time read what it says. Since I am half way through the book, you know I will have more for you to help with. LOL! One general question, are these all the passports issued for Portugal or just the Azores or just a particular island. Thanks again. On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 3:07:41 PM UTC-5, linda wrote: > > > Hi Steve, > > I'll help you learn to read the passport records. The data and > vocabulary are limited; all it just takes is a little practice. > > *** > Reading the Passport Lists: > > Headings at the top of the page are > > Passport Number;Date (Month, Day); Name of Bearer; Destination > > The information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital > status, occupation, birth location, and age. It may also include > additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder. > These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives. > > The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport > holders all going to the same location. In addition to place names, you > will also see ditto marks such as > > " > or > > ~ " ~ > > or > > "Idem" which is Latin for "the same". > > It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final destination, > such as California, or sometimes state their port of disembarkation, such > as Boston. So, I like to check all the names on any US destination page, > just in case. > > > ** > > I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would > be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations. > > Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are > all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro. > > Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to > Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon; > passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da > America pela ilha da Fayal"]. > > Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely. The information > generally follows a standard format. > > page 101 #266: > > Manuel de Sousa do Rigo > de 43 annos, casado, proprieta- > rio, natural de freguesia de S. > Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira > > Translation: > > Manuel de Sousa do Rigo > 43 years [old], property owner > native of the village of S[ao] > Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira > > This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath > "Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your > Manuel. > > > Page 8 #55: > > Manoel de Sousa Bor- > ges, casado, proprietario, > natural da freguesia das > L?, d'esta ilha, de > 71 annos. > > Manoel de Sousa Borges, > married, property owner > native of the village of > L?, of this island, > 71 years [old]. > > This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not > your Manuel either. > > You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and > you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US > destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in > age to your target Manuel de Sousa. > > If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look > at them and help you to narrow the list. > > best of luck in your research, > > Linda > > > On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote: >> >> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and >> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming >> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents >> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great >> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got >> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he >> died. So I never had a chance to be "right." >> >> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the >> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The >> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention >> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry >> World and have found that to be a waste for me. >> >>
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help
Cheri, Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search the site you referenced, thanks. On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've > done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the > naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no > guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a > few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so. > > Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for the > obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got the > island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira between > 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza and > Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking for a > Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html > > However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as > Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of > a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes. > > Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues. > Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your > best bet. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens > wrote: > >> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah 19/1 >> Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My Manual >> Sousa. >> >> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him. >> >> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >> 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb 1868, >> age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western Islands, >> year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still Alien and a >> laborer. >> >> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >> 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is 1887 and >> he is still an alien. >> >> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >> 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919 >> >> 4. Obituary reveals this information: Born 28 Jan 1868 (note conflict >> with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores >> >> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration between >> 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration and >> naturalization records: >> >> Index to Naturalization Records: >> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950, >> >> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance Portugal, >> birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict with 1920 >> Census >> >> Name: Manoel De Souza >> Petition Age: 30 >> Record Type: Petition >> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868 >> Birth Place: St Michael Azores >> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885 >> Arrival Place: Boston >> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897 >> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA >> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943- >> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St >> Meguells, US, Steerage >> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal, >> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V >> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, , >> Flores, , , Steerage Forward, >> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, Fayal, >> Fall River, Forward, 2 bags >> April 1888, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel da Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, >> Grasiosa, Grasiosa, USA, Steerage >> April 1889, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, >> Portugal, Western Islands >> >> There is a Manoel de Souza vermintol who matches almost identically much, >> but don't undersrtand the "vermintol" on the British Basque Paladin and he >> is from Sao Miguel >> >> Name >> Manoel De souza vemintol >> Birth >> abt 1868 >> Departure >> Azores >> Arrival >> Boston, Massachusetts, USA 17 Apr 1885 >> >> >> Going to cut it short here to hear
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help
Thanks for the information you provided. I have some other information, but is does not match up to San Miguel. It saya Terceira. I did the 64 Y-DNA test years ago and Ancestry chose not to use these with their new DNA test. I can provide the results if it would help, but it looks like I can not join the DNA group without a new test. I believe I have his entry into Boston, from Flores on the bark Sarah 2 dec 1887 Regards, Steve Stevens On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Hi Steve S, > > Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see Souza. > At least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll be dealing > with won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records. > > Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records over > there are organized on the village level. You have to know the village, > especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That island alone > holds half the population of the Azores and has approximately 70 churches > to look through. It's a needle in a haystack. > > You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration leaving the > port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has some gaps in the > records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply missing. > > If none of your research has turned up a village (called a freguesia) on > your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and find their immigration > and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to use DNA. Your matches > might point towards a particular region on Sao Miguel. Or maybe you'll find > a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them first. If they are not > alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, then you are the best > candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA Project on Family > Tree DNA. Use this link: > https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands > You want the Family Finder which is on sale for $49 (+$12.95 S - > includes return postage if you still reside in the U.S.). The sale ends > tonight (Jan. 2) at 11:59 pm PST. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens > wrote: > >> Hello all! >> >> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or >> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born >> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and >> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA. He was >> naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents were >> John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and Jones >> in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for the >> family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta (abt >> 1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943). >> >> Any help would be most appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Stevens (Souza) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azo...@googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5ea0d2cf-f18f-4b04-8e34-2149ebc4e6b1%40googlegroups.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help
Hello all! I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA. He was naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and Jones in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for the family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta (abt 1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943). Any help would be most appreciated. Regards, Steve Stevens (Souza) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com.
