Cheri, Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search the site you referenced, thanks.
On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've > done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the > naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no > guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a > few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so. > > Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for the > obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got the > island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira between > 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza and > Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking for a > Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html > > However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as > Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of > a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes. > > Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues. > Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your > best bet. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah 19/1 >> Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My Manual >> Sousa. >> >> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him. >> >> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >> 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb 1868, >> age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western Islands, >> year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still Alien and a >> laborer. >> >> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >> 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is 1887 and >> he is still an alien. >> >> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >> 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919 >> >> 4. Obituary reveals this information: Born 28 Jan 1868 (note conflict >> with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores >> >> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration between >> 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration and >> naturalization records: >> >> Index to Naturalization Records: >> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950, >> >> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance Portugal, >> birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict with 1920 >> Census >> >> Name: Manoel De Souza >> Petition Age: 30 >> Record Type: Petition >> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868 >> Birth Place: St Michael Azores >> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885 >> Arrival Place: Boston >> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897 >> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA >> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943- >> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St >> Meguells, US, Steerage >> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal, >> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V >> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, , >> Flores, , , Steerage Forward, >> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, Fayal, >> Fall River, Forward, 2 bags >> April 1888, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel da Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, >> Grasiosa, Grasiosa, USA, Steerage >> April 1889, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, >> Portugal, Western Islands >> >> There is a Manoel de Souza vermintol who matches almost identically much, >> but don't undersrtand the "vermintol" on the British Basque Paladin and he >> is from Sao Miguel >> >> Name >> Manoel De souza vemintol >> Birth >> abt 1868 >> Departure >> Azores >> Arrival >> Boston, Massachusetts, USA 17 Apr 1885 >> >> >> Going to cut it short here to hear what you have to say. Thanks a bunch >> for the help, I think it cleared things up in my own mind at least >> >> >> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 6:22:11 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Hi Steve S, >>> Are you sure about that? I can't find a Manuel Souza coming into Boston >>> on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from Flores. But I found a Manuel Souza coming >>> into Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from FAIAL. It's getting to be >>> confusing. First you said it was Sao Miguel island, then Flores island, but >>> I find Faial island. What documents do you have that say Sao Miguel? What >>> documents say Flores? Depending on your answers to those questions will >>> point to the right solution. Otherwise, it's a wild goose chase. >>> >>> You did a Y-DNA test with which company? Family Tree DNA or Ancestry? >>> They are 2 different companies. Ancestry did Y-DNA testing years ago, but >>> they didn't test 64 markers. FTDNA has a Y-DNA 67 test, if that is what you >>> mean. If you did it with Ancestry, you can transfer their Y-DNA 33 or Y-DNA >>> 46 over to FTDNA (if you downloaded the raw data file). You won't get 33 or >>> 46 markers though, as they aren't all compatible. You can make them >>> compatible by providing a swab and paying a fee: >>> [image: image.png] >>> >>> If you did a Y-DNA test with FTDNA, you can join the Azores DNA Project. >>> You didn't directly say that your Stephens is a corruption of Souza though. >>> I'm guessing by your signature. And if you did test with FTDNA, you need to >>> add the Family Finder test. It's another tool to use. Y-DNA testing is a >>> direct line test - your father's father's father's line only. Family Finder >>> (autosomal DNA testing) covers all your lines going back about 200 years >>> from your birth. You'd have to tease them apart. If you did an Ancestry DNA >>> test (like the ones you see on TV), you did an autosomal DNA test and these >>> transfer over to FTDNA. You get matches for free. The tools and ethnicity >>> estimates are $19. >>> >>> Set me straight on your island and hopefully I can point you in the >>> right direction. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 3:00 PM Steve Stevens <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the information you provided. I have some other information, >>>> but is does not match up to San Miguel. It saya Terceira. >>>> >>>> I did the 64 Y-DNA test years ago and Ancestry chose not to use these >>>> with their new DNA test. I can provide the results if it would help, but >>>> it >>>> looks like I can not join the DNA group without a new test. I believe I >>>> have his entry into Boston, from Flores on the bark Sarah 2 dec 1887 >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Stevens >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Steve S, >>>>> >>>>> Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see >>>>> Souza. At least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll be >>>>> dealing with won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records >>>>> over there are organized on the village level. You have to know the >>>>> village, especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That >>>>> island alone holds half the population of the Azores and has >>>>> approximately >>>>> 70 churches to look through. It's a needle in a haystack. >>>>> >>>>> You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration leaving >>>>> the port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has some gaps in >>>>> the >>>>> records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply missing. >>>>> >>>>> If none of your research has turned up a village (called a freguesia) >>>>> on your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and find their >>>>> immigration and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to use DNA. >>>>> Your matches might point towards a particular region on Sao Miguel. Or >>>>> maybe you'll find a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them first. >>>>> If >>>>> they are not alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, then >>>>> you >>>>> are the best candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA >>>>> Project on Family Tree DNA. Use this link: >>>>> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands >>>>> You want the Family Finder which is on sale for $49 (+$12.95 S&H - >>>>> includes return postage if you still reside in the U.S.). The sale ends >>>>> tonight (Jan. 2) at 11:59 pm PST. >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all! >>>>>> >>>>>> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or >>>>>> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born >>>>>> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and >>>>>> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA. He was >>>>>> naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents were >>>>>> John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and >>>>>> Jones >>>>>> in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for >>>>>> the >>>>>> family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta (abt >>>>>> 1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943). >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help would be most appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Stevens (Souza) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5ea0d2cf-f18f-4b04-8e34-2149ebc4e6b1%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5ea0d2cf-f18f-4b04-8e34-2149ebc4e6b1%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0195b844-67b1-4814-9fa4-b697dca243ec%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0195b844-67b1-4814-9fa4-b697dca243ec%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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