Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Community: Citizenship granted to grandchildren of Portuguese expats – Portugal
Would this be possible for me? In my case, it is my mothers father and mother's parents or my Great Grandfather and Great Grandmothers (2 of them). They were all born in the Acores and immigrated to Hawaii when they were children. Tanya Researching Raposo, De Amaral, Pimental On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Jose Medeiros manueljoselj...@gmail.com wrote: Marylyn I would start with a birth certificate of your grandfather or grandmother born in Portugal, Açores or Madeira Then I would get a birth certicicate of your dad or mother that have the names of your grandfather and grandmother Last your own birth certificate with your dad and mother With these 3 documents there should not be any problems proving you are a decendant of Portuguese grandparents On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 1:32:10 PM UTC-4, HK Pimental wrote: I suggest that you check the Portuguese Consulate webpage which is in English Sent from Windows Mail *From:* Marilyn Thompson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 5:58 PM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com Would you please post a list of the requirements? Not in full detail, but enough so those who are considering applying will know if they meet the requirements. Thanks On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:16 AM, kpsre...@gmail.com wrote: I haave had much better experiences with the consulates. It is the rule that you must go to the consulate that is assigned your area. So, when we moved from Utah to Portugal 23 years ago we had to use the San Francisco Consulate. We could have done everything by mail but since it was convenient for us we went to SF for the final arrangements. We had no problems and the person in charge of visas was very accommodating and helpful. It has been our experience here in Portugal with the Serviço Estrangeiros and Fronteiras., SEF, that everyone has been very helpful whenever we have needed anything. I am applying for citizenship based on my great grandparents and my desire to live in Portugal. I have a lawyer and everything has been smooth so far. I may have to wait til I have been a residente 5 years unless they grant me a waiver. They occaionally do that if you live in the country and can prove that you have basic language proficiency and a desire to be a part of Portugal. I suggest that you have all of the proff you need and follow the instructions as the consulate gives them to you. I think that if you understand that it is a diferente country with defferent procedures and methods than the USA you will not have any problems. I have certainly found it to be true that I would rather deal with any Portuguese government employee than the department of motor vehicles in any US state *From:* Jose Medeiros *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:43 PM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com In dealings w/them very difficult and they think ( not all ) they are a superior being to you I am sure you will not show up at a consulate and say John Smith was my grandfather, born in the Azores and I desire Portuguese citizenship. You better have birth certificates of your family that ties all and all lead to you as the grandchild of your grandfather born in the Azores The consulates in USA especially in the East coast of USA are ridiculous I have a family member that lives in Minnesota and she has to go to Washington DC when she needs the consulate She comes often to Massachusetts yet the consulate in Boston WILL NOT let her do anything there She is lucky because she works for an airline and can get flights to Washington, DC but imagine taking all your family just to do a passport or whatever paper you need and they will not do it in Boston but you have to go to Washington,DC. RIDICULOUS On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 12:19:14 AM UTC-4, Ellen Ade wrote: How difficult? Are there consulates in the US? I currently have a euro passport and Irish citizenship as my azores grandfather married my Irish grandmother - both immigrated, so I am 2nd generation on both sides. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: getting started
Yes, Manuel, I don't speak a word of Portuguese, I went last July for the first time and after getting lost several times I turned to our good old friend Siri (tmobile). I was amazed at how she was able to find places not on our map. I don't know how I would have survived getting out of those little towns without her. So I agree with Manuel, Tom Tom or Siri could be very helpful. Tanya On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:24 AM, manueljoselj...@gmail.com wrote: Google Earth is limited in street names out from Ponta Delgada Here is an idea and I used it a couple years ago I used believe or not a TomTom with a map of the Azores Of course I was not going to get lost after all I was in an island but it got me to places I did not know where they were When I tell this story to friends they all laugh Worth a try On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 11:23:59 AM UTC-5, paint...@aol.com wrote: I'm going to Sao Miguel in July and I'd love to find a street where my grandparents lived. I don't have much info other than names and birth dates and a marriage certificate from the US. Can anyone help me? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Update on the Portuguese Genealogical Society of Hawaii
Good news! On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM, IslandRoutes insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote: Another update on the PGSH: I am told that they have a new location. However, the address and phone number have not been handed out yet. I'm guessing it will take a couple of weeks for everything to be settled and then moved. I will posted when I know more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ordering DNA and getting assistance
Aloha Cheri, I would like to get a DNA testing for myself and mother. Are there options for companies and of DNA testing that I need to be aware of. The Azores project is something that I would like to be a part of. Can you please steer me to the links that can enlighten me about DNA testing and the project? thanks, Tanya On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I think I've received 4 or 5 emails this weekend asking for help with DNA. We can NOT help if you are NOT part of the project. It doesn't matter if your DNA has been sent in, or is at the lab being processed, or is sitting on someone's kitchen table waiting to be swabbed. Many things can come up in the interim and if you are not part of the project, we can't help.. The admins CAN intercede on your behalf, but only if you are part of the project. We can reset your password. We can change settings for you (with your permission). We can do other things as well, but not if you aren't part of the project. So if you ordered through FTDNA, please be part of the Azores project. Log in. Toward the upper left, point at My Projects and click JOIN. If the Azores Islands come up as a suggested project, click the link and find the orange JOIN button on the next screen and click it. If the Azores is NOT a suggested project, scroll down to where it says Search by Surname, type in azores and then follow the directions above. Also, please try to remember to include the kit number and the name on that kit. We really don't want to answer your question incorrectly because we were looking at the wrong John's page (for example). Thanks! Cheri Mello Azores DNA admin -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ordering DNA and getting assistance
Thank you Cheri! This is very helpful. I will review the info and treat myself to one of these test. Thank you for taking the time to run this group, I have learned so much from just reading all of the post. With deep appreciation. Tanya On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Tanya S, The 3 major companies that offer DNA testing for genealogy are Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), Ancestry.com, and 23 and Me. The Azores DNA project is housed at FTDNA. 1) Ancestry.com: Ancestry started out in the publishing world, with genealogy books. Then they went digital by scanning and making things available from your computer with their Ancestry.com (or .ca or or or) web site. In my opinion, they should have stopped there. Being traded in the stock market means you have to please your shareholders and make them money. So they got into DNA testing by buying out other companies to start. I've watched them as they've basically bumbled their way around DNA. I've even called them on the phone, with a DNA question. They try to sell me their World Membership instead and avoided my question. Maybe they are better now. I haven't called them in a while. However, they used to offer all types of DNA testing for genealogy. They made an announcement about a month ago that they are dumping all the DNA samples and results from Y mtDNA and just staying with autosomal. This is a shame because some people tested a relative who has died and they are just going to do away with all that?!?! You can test with Ancestry.com. Just be aware your results and sample may not be there in a few years. Also, they have no projects there. I find their help very, very limited. 2) 23 and Me: They really started out doing stuff for medical reasons. Anne Wojcicki, one of the founders, is (was?) married to Sergey Brin (one of the Google guys). Anne had found some medical thing in her family (or Sergey's family?) and wanted a way to utilize DNA to solve the problem. The chip that is used for medical DNA has the genealogy stuff on it. So they offered that too. Most people on 23 and Me don't answer genealogy requests because they are there for medical. Then the FDA came in around last November and told 23 and Me that they can't sell the medical part to the consumer. So currently, they are offering only the genealogy portion until they can compile with the FDA rules and regulations. So if you test with 23 and Me, you may wind up with your medical info in the future. Some people don't want to know that they have the gene for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc, etc. Other people want to know. There are no projects there. Most of the help is through their message boards. 3) Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). This is where the Azores project is held (we have 713 members in it; 407 have had the Family Finder test run). FTDNA was founded in 2000 by Bennett Greenspan. He had a genealogy mystery that could be solved by DNA, just as DNA helped solve the Thomas Jefferson Sally Hemings question. There wasn't any company out there that could help a genealogist. So Bennett started FTDNA in 2000 and used the lab at the University of Arizona (FTDNA built their own lab 2 or 3 years ago and all tests are now run in-house in Houston, Texas). They are the oldest and have the largest database for genealogists. They have some big name geneticists on their advisory board. It's absolutely crazy what us genealogists have made the geneticists do. We've asked questions and pushed them into making discoveries that they didn't initially think were possible. Anyways, Katherine Borges founded the Azores DNA project with FTDNA around 2004 or 2005. They have projects, message boards, admins, and customer service to help. They are working on improving their Learning Center, as they recognize their strength is delivering results but not much in the way of interpretation or really, really good comparison tools. Since we've had the Azores project there for about 10 years, you will find more matches with people of Azorean descent there. Oh, they save your sample for at least 25 years. There are other small DNA testing companies too. Also there are 3 or 4 or 5 types of DNA testing, depending on how you look at it. 1) Y-DNA testing: Only 23 and Me and FTDNA offer this. Y-DNA is taken by a male and traces his father's father's father's line only. That's the top of his pedigree chart. Just that one line. So if your maiden is Smith and you wanted to know about your Smith ancestors, you as a female, would have to have your brother test or your uncle or male cousin named Smith take the test for you. Since the Azores are somewhat isolated out there in the Atlantic, it will take time to get a sample from every family that ever settled in the Azores (we have about 340 men who have taken a Y-DNA test who are of Azorean descent). The string of numbers is compared to
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaii, Massachusettes, or Brazil
I have a copy of my 2nd great grandfathers Honolulu plantation work contract from 1883 - he ended up on the island of Kauai, I don't know how if this was by choice or designation. - 9 USD per month for 1 year - Not sure the equivalent to the current Azores currency at that time. Anyone? Tanya On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:54 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: The following is from an Azores Government publication concerning the Hawaiian migration. The Portuguese migration to Hawaii was fueled by poor economic conditions in the mother country, and particularly in Madeira. The production and export of fine wines had been for many years the mainstay of the Madeiran economy. During the 1850’s, however, the vineyards were laid waste by a blight that crippled the wine industry for decades. Unemployment and hunger followed the destruction of the vineyards. As conditions worsened, Madeirans looked for a better way of life in Brazil, the United States and Hawaii. During this same period, the Kingdom of Hawaii was in need of laborers for her sugar plantations. The large scale cultivation of sugar depended upon a continuous supply of inexpensive labor. The demand for plantation workers increased after Hawaii concluded a Reciprocity Treaty with the United States in 1876, which facilitated the exportation of Hawaiian sugar. The dramatic decline of the Hawaiian population had caused planters and government officials to look abroad for suitable immigrants to work the land and increase the population of the Kingdom. Several thousand Chinese emigrated to Hawaii during the 1860’s and 1870’s. Yet the Chinese seldom brought their families, and distinct cultural differences between the Chinese and other residents of Hawaii caused many of the latter to demand an end to the large scale importation of workers from China. In 1876, *Mr. Jacintho Pereira,* a Portuguese citizen and proprietor of a successful dry goods store in Honolulu, came forward with an interesting idea. Pereira suggested that the Hawaiian government investigate the possibility of solving Hawaii’s labor and population problems by encouraging the immigration of Portuguese from Madeira. The government contacted *Dr. William Hillebrand* who was living at that time in Funchal. Hillbrand acted as Hawaii’s agent, and carried out all of the details required to place the first contingent of Portuguese immigrants aboard the Priscilla. *1853* Census shows 87 Portuguese in Hawaii. *1876* Jacinto Perreira, a Portuguese merchant residing in Hawaii recommends to the Kingdom the immigration of Portuguese to Hawaii to help solve the labor problems. *1877* The St. Antonio Society, a Portuguese benevolent association, is established in Honolulu. *1878* Census shows more than 400 Portuguese in Hawaii. *1878* The ship Priscilla arrives in Honolulu harbor on September 30. 1878 with the first major contingent of Portuguese immigrants to Hawaii (about 120 men, women and children). *1879* The ship Ravenscrag arrives in Honolulu harbor on August 23, 1879 with the second large group of Portuguese settlers in Hawaii (419 men, women and children). These settlers brought with them the Portuguese braguinha, the instrument that became the ‘ukulele. *1882* The Government of Hawaii signs an immigration treaty with Portugal. *1893* Portuguese support the establishment of the Hawaiian Republic. *1900* Portuguese population numbers 18,272, approximately 12% of the total population of the Hawaiian Islands. *1900* to Period of Portuguese migration from the plantations to Honolulu and other towns. *1913* The Ascot arrives in Honolulu harbor with 1,283 Portuguese immigrants aboard. This ship is usually considered the last of the 29 immigrant ships. * Ships bearing Portuguese Settlers to Hawaii, 1878-1913* 1. September 30, 1878 Ship Priscilla (German bark) arrived 116 days out from Funchal, Madeira, with 80 men, 40 women, 60 children. Total 180. (Portuguese consular documents indicate approximately 120 passengers). 2. August 23, 1879 Ship Ravenscrag (British) arrived 123 days out from Madeira with 133 men, 110 women, 176 children. Total 419. 3. January 24, 1880 Ship High Flyer (British bark) arrived 99 days out from *St. Michael, Azores,* with 109 men, 81 women, 147 children. Total 337. 4. May 2, 1881 Ship High Flyer (British bark) arrived 130 days out from *St. Michael, Azores*, with 173 men, 66 women, 113 children. Total 352. 5. August 25, 1881 Ship Suffolk (British bark) arrived 102 days out from *St. Michael, Azores*, with 206 men, 100 women, 182 children. Total 488. 6. March 27, 1882 Ship Earl Delhausie (British bark) arrived 113 days out from *St. Michael, Azores*, with 94 men, 82 women, 146 children. Total 322. 7. June 8, 1882 Steamship Monarch (British) arrived 57 days out from *St.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left
Antonio can I subscribe to this local paper? Thanks, Tanya Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Antonio Roque roqueantonioro...@gmail.com wrote: I read an article in one of the local papers a few months back that work on this church went ahead w/out the priests consent. There is a whole lot of controversy over what is being done because it is not staying w/the old architecture of the church and few other issues. The priest is a puppet controlled by a church commission that what they say goes and priest either goes w/it or resigns Most if not all churches in the Azores have commissions.. On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:07:02 PM UTC-4, tanya808smith wrote: We found the igresia Cheri u are correct, I spoke to someone who lives next to it. He said they are working to restore it and showed me how they laid the cobblestone..fun to listen to him and some tid bits of his memories. If any one needs pics for the two churches in Candelaria or the one in ginetes let me know. Thank you all for your help. Tanya On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know Candelaria, but my guess is that the run-down church you found may be an ermida or capela. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya8...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left
Yes, I will be here. Dark hair, bright orange shirt. Thank you. On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning. I will be around 10 in the lobby of your hotel. Does it suits you? My phone number (351) 916262420. I will be available this morning J eliseu *De:* azores@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores@googlegroups.com'); [mailto: azores@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores@googlegroups.com');] *Em nome de * Tanya Smith *Enviada:* terça-feira, 10 de Junho de 2014 00:15 *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores@googlegroups.com'); *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left Yes, been to candelaria an ginetes. I just discovered via Google Earth that I missed a switchback when I went thru the town. Think I can find it tomorrow. But now I am curious about the church that was deserted mid town on the right. I found the church in ginetes as well...unfortunately, there was a funeral service going on. Just not my day. I am staying at the lince hotel in Ponta delgada, my family emigrated to Hawaii in 1882. I speak zero Portuguese so it's been a little challenging. But having a wonderful first time. I'm still a newbie at this and would love to hook up and chat about some history in that area if you have the time. BTW my grandmothers maiden name is da silva don't know much about thatnot just a few dates and names, no places. I can make myself available Tuesday or Wednesday. Let me know. Thanks, Tanya Smith Researching - Sao Miguel, Raposo, de Amaral and Pimental On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tanya, I live in S. Miguel. Where the hell have you been?!! :) I would like to help but I have not enough information to! First of all where are you staying at? Have you a cellular phone you can use? Candelária is a small village outside Ponta Delgada, direction Mosteiros. Google maps will give you the way in seconds... I have not much time free but I can find an hour to help you out Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -Mensagem original- De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Tanya Smith Enviada: segunda-feira, 9 de Junho de 2014 19:21 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left Sent from my iPadI I,m hoping some one can help me find the Church in Candelaria, Sao Miguel. I have only two more days here. I originally thought I found a picture of it but now I am thinking that this is a candelaria on another island. I was a little frustrated as we went through the town, it was not what I expected, streets very narrow, no where to turn around safely, almost got bit by a dog, got lost a bit, cars tailing meyikes! can someone please help? I did notice an old church with no access and looked deserted on the main road, covered with bushwas that it? I have church baptism record showing my third grandfathers birth as well as family names. says they are from nossa senhora de candeias of Candelaria. I thought the link was for the island of sao miguel. B1821-1851/SMG PD-Candelaria If any one is familiar with that area please enlighten me. I am stomped. thank you, Tanya Smith Sent from my iPad -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left
We found the igresia Cheri u are correct, I spoke to someone who lives next to it. He said they are working to restore it and showed me how they laid the cobblestone..fun to listen to him and some tid bits of his memories. If any one needs pics for the two churches in Candelaria or the one in ginetes let me know. Thank you all for your help. Tanya On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know Candelaria, but my guess is that the run-down church you found may be an ermida or capela. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left
Sent from my iPadI I,m hoping some one can help me find the Church in Candelaria, Sao Miguel. I have only two more days here. I originally thought I found a picture of it but now I am thinking that this is a candelaria on another island. I was a little frustrated as we went through the town, it was not what I expected, streets very narrow, no where to turn around safely, almost got bit by a dog, got lost a bit, cars tailing meyikes! can someone please help? I did notice an old church with no access and looked deserted on the main road, covered with bushwas that it? I have church baptism record showing my third grandfathers birth as well as family names. says they are from nossa senhora de candeias of Candelaria. I thought the link was for the island of sao miguel. B1821-1851/SMG PD-Candelaria If any one is familiar with that area please enlighten me. I am stomped. thank you, Tanya Smith Sent from my iPad -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left
Yes this is the photo I saw. we will try again tomorrow. thanks Cheri Sent from my iPad On Jun 9, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Tanya S, There are multiple Candelarias in the Azores. You didn't provide the whole link to your baptism, but the partial code reads as if it is Sao Miguel: SMG PD-Candelaria (Sao Miguel island - Ponta Delgada (council) - Candelaria (freguesia). The name of the church in Candelaria in the coucil of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel is called Nossa Senhora das Candeias (got that from the Azores Genweb). Yes, the streets are narrow and people can drive closely together. Wikipedia says the church looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candel%C3%A1ria_%28Ponta_Delgada%29 Maybe you should park the car, go to the praça de taxis and ask for a taxi driver to take you to the igresia. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left
Yes, been to candelaria an ginetes. I just discovered via Google Earth that I missed a switchback when I went thru the town. Think I can find it tomorrow. But now I am curious about the church that was deserted mid town on the right. I found the church in ginetes as well...unfortunately, there was a funeral service going on. Just not my day. I am staying at the lince hotel in Ponta delgada, my family emigrated to Hawaii in 1882. I speak zero Portuguese so it's been a little challenging. But having a wonderful first time. I'm still a newbie at this and would love to hook up and chat about some history in that area if you have the time. BTW my grandmothers maiden name is da silva don't know much about thatnot just a few dates and names, no places. I can make myself available Tuesday or Wednesday. Let me know. Thanks, Tanya Smith Researching - Sao Miguel, Raposo, de Amaral and Pimental On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tanya, I live in S. Miguel. Where the hell have you been?!! :) I would like to help but I have not enough information to! First of all where are you staying at? Have you a cellular phone you can use? Candelária is a small village outside Ponta Delgada, direction Mosteiros. Google maps will give you the way in seconds... I have not much time free but I can find an hour to help you out Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -Mensagem original- De: azores@googlegroups.com javascript:; [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com javascript:;] Em nome de Tanya Smith Enviada: segunda-feira, 9 de Junho de 2014 19:21 Para: azores@googlegroups.com javascript:; Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left Sent from my iPadI I,m hoping some one can help me find the Church in Candelaria, Sao Miguel. I have only two more days here. I originally thought I found a picture of it but now I am thinking that this is a candelaria on another island. I was a little frustrated as we went through the town, it was not what I expected, streets very narrow, no where to turn around safely, almost got bit by a dog, got lost a bit, cars tailing meyikes! can someone please help? I did notice an old church with no access and looked deserted on the main road, covered with bushwas that it? I have church baptism record showing my third grandfathers birth as well as family names. says they are from nossa senhora de candeias of Candelaria. I thought the link was for the island of sao miguel. B1821-1851/SMG PD-Candelaria If any one is familiar with that area please enlighten me. I am stomped. thank you, Tanya Smith Sent from my iPad -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casais das Flores e do Corvo ebook
Aloha Joao, Any such resource for Sao Miguel? Particularly Candelaria and Ginetes. I have the opportunity to travel from Hawaii to the Azores this June. I am so excited. Thank you, Tanya Smith On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:54 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: Hello all, I've got a few private emails, so I think it may be better to republish this post from December 2012, updating it a bit in the process. Francisco Gomes has published his 'Casais das Flores e do Corvo' book in e-book format. This book covers ALL the available marriages in the islands of Flores and Corvo between 1675 and 1911, for a total of 10.247 marriages. This book is ESSENTIAL to anyone doing research in either of these two islands. You've got a choice of stores, each with it's pros/cons: - Amazon (pro: Kindle, con: only Kindle, more expensive $18.44) http://www.amazon.com/Casais-Flores-Portuguese-Edition-ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6 - iTunes (pro: cheaper $14.99, con: only Apple devices) https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo/id588378486 - Barnes Noble (pro cheaper $14.99, con: NOOK format) http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo-francisco-gomes/1114254163?ean=9789892034348 - XinXii (pro: DRM-free PDF, con: most expensive $19.58) http://www.xinxii.com/pt/casais-das-flores-do-corvo-p-339506.html I suggested this to him recently after I saw the website for the book disappear from the web. I was informed that he had managed to sell all the paper copies, and I asked him to consider keeping it 'alive' as an e-book. Even though I own the paper version, I bought one e-book, because of one important factor that the paper version lacks: the ability to do a full-text search on the contents. Note that I know from having traveled to Flores last year, that the new 'Museu das Lajes das Flores' still has paper versions of this book to sell. They also have lots of other books on sale, including the Familias das Flores from the same author (which I'd also like to see as an ebook). I bought the XinXii version, as I prefer to have my e-books in a format that I know I'll be able to open 20 years from now. If you decide to do the same, please be responsible when sharing it in your family.. I'd like to see the 'Famílias da Ilha das Flores (Vila das Lajes e freguesias da Fazenda e do Lajedo)' book be re-published as an e-book one of these days, and I don't see it happening if the author only sells one e-book copy. Best regards, João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bizarre...but is it true?
I found this in an academia paper cited below. pg. 7 talks about secondary burial. I am wondering if the Beating of the Body was actually the beating or patting of the dirt (earth) that covered the body at the secondary burial. Just my two cents. Secondary burial - In many small parterres (burial grounds) the corpses are buried in ditches made in the soil, and they are covered with earth at a depth of three or four inches. The soil that covers the corpses is left loose, and is not even beaten This description was probably referred to funerary rites taking place according to the mechanisms of secondary burial. Dead bodies buried under small heaps of loose soil; corpses not yet decomposed that were recovered so that their clothes could be changed; finally, exhumation of partially decayed corpses aimed at completing the defleshing process within niches within the walls ... CITE: Article Fornaciari, Antonio , Giuffra, Valentina and Pezzini, Francesco(2010) 'Secondary burial and mummification practices in the Kingdom of the two Sicilies', Mortality, 15: 3, 223 — 249 Interesting study and research here. Tanya Smith Laie, HI On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: One of the things I learned from that beginning genealogy class when I began was: Who said it? When did they say it? How did they know? So, Manny says his mom said what her aunt said this story. OK, so this story is being retold and translated. That answers the WHO. But WHEN did this aunt say this? It is something this aunt remembered from the age of 5? A memory is always open to question. A childhood memory seems more so. And this story is being retold. HOW did this aunt know? Did she stand there and watch? I don't know...beat the body brings an image to mind that a stick, bat, meat clever, something was taken to the body to basically abuse it. To me, it just doesn't seem right. Maybe it was a custom to that area? I thought some type of acid (lime?) was used to aid decomposition. To beat a body (or a piece of meat - which is muscle) is to tenderize it. But I don't have any experience with beating a piece of meat and observing the composition either. So I concur, maybe beat isn't the right word here, but what would be the correct word? I'll have to ask some of the people at the hall. The body that was dumped in the ocean - sounds like an isolated incident to me. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] GRACIOSA researcher's list
Please add me to your mailing list. tanya808sm...@gmail.com Thanks, Tanya Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com wrote: Eliseu, I would like to join please! My email is cheryl...@hotmail.com Cheryl Lawrence-Wilson On Apr 10, 2014 5:07 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@sapo.pt wrote: Hi, Some time ago I have asked to GRACIOSA researchers to send me their email addresses. I have sent now to everyone who answered back the list of the addresses. Now I think it will be easier to contact among us. I will update that list if someone wants to participate on it J. Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Correct Pronunciation of Azores, islands and villages
Thanks for the tips On Friday, April 4, 2014, Marilyn Mele Jose waterfall...@gmail.com wrote: Aloha Tanya, I do genealogy for Hawaii but this is just a suggestion. The library has many resources. I do recommend them. Let me know if you do get help!!! You tube also has resources! My Name is Marilyn or direct it to Melewaipunalei for emails. Aloha! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:23 PM, tanya808smith tanya808sm...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tanya808sm...@gmail.com'); wrote: Aloha, I am hoping that someone can steer me to a site that contains audio pronunciation for Portuguese words. Example: - Azores? My colleagues and I have 3 different pronunciations. Non of us speak Portuguese. Thanks, Tanya -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
This is terrific. Thank you so much. I'm still in process of converting my old PAF files to Roots magic. This site has been so helpful in gathering information from my ancestors. So this records are from Nossa Senhora das Candeias of Candelaria church? I goggled that church building and it is beautiful, I need to do further research of the building to see what has been restored, etc. I am so excited to visit Candelaria and actually have a tangible connection between my relatives. So, the next question is where do I go to find more birth and death dates/ places of the parents and grandparents? How do you find records without dates attached to names? My mind is spinning. Sorry, so excited with new found info. thanks to you and Cheri! I think I am becoming addicted to this work. Can't concentrate at my job.not good ;0) Mahalo to the both of you., Tanya Smith On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Erica Botelho audiosource...@qwestoffice.net wrote: Tanya, I am happy to help, but may have over sold my abilities. I am not able to translate records word for word, but have learned to glean certain information from them. Maybe one of the more talented members will fill in the blanks for you. Here is what I read: Manoel, legitimate son of Henrique Jose Rapoza and Geronima Maria naturaz Nossa Senhora das Candeias of Candelaria. Paternal grandparents Thome' Rapoza de Amaral and Marianna de Jesus Maternal grandparents Manoel Moreira and Anna Theresa Born 15 and baptized 24 September 1826 Padrinhos Manoel de Freitas and his wife Joaquina Eufrazia. I am not sure of the exact translation of Naturaz. I think it is similar to originally from but hopefully someone else will add on to this. Padrinhos are godparents. On many of the baptismal records, if someone named is deceased at the time of the record, the priest will write defunta. I did not see that in this record. It could mean that all the grandparents were still alive at this time, or it could be that the priest didn't record it. I add this little bit because I found many family records before I learned this and had to go back and re-read all of them. Your welcome, Erica B. *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tanya Smith *Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:16 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal How wonderful. Cheri told me to post that and I may have feedback. I didn't expect the record so fast. This is the first find for me I am so excited. Could you please translate for me. I can only make out a couple of names but I don't know what the extra word would mean. Thanks so much! Tanya On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Erica Botelho audiosource...@qwestoffice.net wrote: Tanya, Here is the link to Manuel's birth record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851_item1/P28.html His entry is #150 on the left side. It includes his grandparents' names also. If you need help translating, let me know. Erica B. *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *tanya808smith *Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:19 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal Aloha, I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time. I have a couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links to other family members. I do not have any other information on my GGG Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse. Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly appreciated. My Mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Thank you, Tanya Smith -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
How wonderful. Cheri told me to post that and I may have feedback. I didn't expect the record so fast. This is the first find for me I am so excited. Could you please translate for me. I can only make out a couple of names but I don't know what the extra word would mean. Thanks so much! Tanya On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Erica Botelho audiosource...@qwestoffice.net wrote: Tanya, Here is the link to Manuel's birth record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851_item1/P28.html His entry is #150 on the left side. It includes his grandparents' names also. If you need help translating, let me know. Erica B. *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *tanya808smith *Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:19 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal Aloha, I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time. I have a couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links to other family members. I do not have any other information on my GGG Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse. Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly appreciated. My Mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Thank you, Tanya Smith -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parishes surrounding Fajã de Baixo, P.D.
Hi Cheri, I followed your link www.etombo.pt and is looking to research church records of my GG Grandfather - I went as far as Sao Miguel on the sight but did not know where to go from there. Municípios Lagoa http://tombo.pt/m/lag 211 Nordeste http://tombo.pt/m/nrd 276 Ponta Delgada http://tombo.pt/m/pdl 934 Povoação http://tombo.pt/m/pvc 208 Ribeira Grande http://tombo.pt/m/rbg 0 Vila Franca do Campohttp://tombo.pt/m/vfc 226 I listed my lines below. I only have villages for a couple of them on my mothers paternal side. Ginetes and Candelaria. Can you steer me in the right direction? Also are these type of etombo records the same as this http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ ? My mothers maternal side: Joao Pimental - b.1864 Sao Miguel, Azores, d, 1930 HI SP. Rosa De Jesus( b. 1866 Sao Miguel, Azores, d. ? Children: Jacintho Pimental b. 1885 Sao Miguel d. 1951 HI Maria Pimental b. 1893 Sao Miguel Manuel Pimental b. 1899 HI Helen Pimental b. 1904 HI William Silva b.1875 Portugal d. Fort Sil, Oklahoma SP. Alexandrina Melim b. Portugal My mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Any help would be appreciated. Would it be wise to post my lines for all here to see and perhaps get feedback of links from other group members? Thanks, Tanya Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: The freguesias that touch Faja de Baixo are Faja de Cima (marriages begin 1837), Ponta Delgada (Sao Sebastiao church; marriages begin 1584), Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada (1617) and Sao Roque (1622). You can get all the dates of the ETombo site at www.etombo.pt Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software Program
I just got back to doing some genealogy and recently discovered that PAF is no longer used. When open my PAF files it freezes up in the middle of navigating. Can Rootsmagic help to convert my PAF files? Any other ideas or recommendations? Thanks, Tanya Smith On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Maria Elena said: I'm thinking that I need to get a program in addition to the Family search Family Tree because I'm getting more and more names. I'm LDS and like using the family tree because (like I learned from Cheri Mello) that program is in the cloud so I can access it from anywhere. But for everyday going bk and forth in researching, copying records and verifying, I think I may need another program. Maria Elena, since you now have a criteria for your genealogy program (you like it in the cloud and being able to access it from anywhere), look into RootsMagic. http://www.rootsmagic.com/ The PAID version of RootsMagic (RM) has their RootsMagic To-Go feature. Their Web site says: Take RootsMagic with you wherever you go! RootsMagic To-Go allows you to copy the RootsMagic program and your data onto any simple USB flash drive or removable drive. Take the drive to a computer, plug it in, and run RootsMagic directly from it. It literally runs off your flash/USB/thumb/travel drive! So you can always have your genealogy with you. In addition, RootsMagic has a section on their site about PAF users switching over. They are one of the sponsors for the Azores Genealogy Conference, too. Bruce Buzbee, owner, donated a full, paid copy of RM as a door prize! -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family immigration from Sao MIguel to Hawaii. Rapozo, Amaral, Silva, Pimental
Thanks Celeste! Just got some records from a local Portuguese Society. Excited to make some connections! 2 ships - SS Bell Rock - from Sao Miguel to Honolulu Hawaii, Nov. 1, 1883 AND SS Braunfels- from Sao Miguel to Honolulu, April 4, 1895 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:23 PM, celeste perry ccgran...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tanya, I will put the CD in the mail this week for you. If you have any additional questions, please just email me and I will try to answer them. I too, visited the cemeteries on my first trip to the Azores and found that, in my family, they did not have the money to put up markers or purchase their plots. This means that after a few years, the graves are recycled and the church again is the last place where an ancestor had a mass said for them. Unfortunately, I also saw that a lot of the altars have been redone as they age. So, that is another reason I used the baptismal fonts as my connection to my ancestors. Let me know when you receive the CD. Sometimes, things get lost in the mail, just emails sometimes don't make it through the maze and get lost. Celeste Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Monday, March 17, 2014 8:07 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo de Ponta Delgada Rua Largo Colegio 9500 Ponta Delgada São Miguel On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Tanya Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks Cheri for the initial direction. where is the Biblioteca e Arquivo found? Thanks, Tanya Smith On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Tanya, You won't find your relatives in a cemetery. Most plots are used for a specific period of time (7 years or so) and then the remains are removed and placed in a crypt or ossuary and the grave is reused. The exception is if the family is still paying a fee on the plot. Then the remains stay as long as the fee is paid. You can find birth, marriages, and death records from about 1910 on back in the Biblioteca e Arquivo. However, unless your people came from one of the freguesias in Ribeira Grande, you can find them right now by going on the CCA site here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ You won't be able to walk into their archive and have your family on a scroll, ready to be rolled out for you. That only happens on Who Do You Think You Are? and other genealogy TV shows. It's not reality. The producers contact various archives before hand. For us real genealogists, we have to research to piece our trees together. Most of our ancestors who emigrated out of the Azores were poor, looking for a better life. It's difficult to find pictures. You are more apt to find pictures by networking with people here. Good luck! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family immigration from Sao MIguel to Hawaii. Rapozo, Amaral, Silva, Pimental
Thanks Cheri for the initial direction. where is the Biblioteca e Arquivo found? Thanks, Tanya Smith On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Tanya, You won't find your relatives in a cemetery. Most plots are used for a specific period of time (7 years or so) and then the remains are removed and placed in a crypt or ossuary and the grave is reused. The exception is if the family is still paying a fee on the plot. Then the remains stay as long as the fee is paid. You can find birth, marriages, and death records from about 1910 on back in the Biblioteca e Arquivo. However, unless your people came from one of the freguesias in Ribeira Grande, you can find them right now by going on the CCA site here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ You won't be able to walk into their archive and have your family on a scroll, ready to be rolled out for you. That only happens on Who Do You Think You Are? and other genealogy TV shows. It's not reality. The producers contact various archives before hand. For us real genealogists, we have to research to piece our trees together. Most of our ancestors who emigrated out of the Azores were poor, looking for a better life. It's difficult to find pictures. You are more apt to find pictures by networking with people here. Good luck! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
