RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Hermano C. Pires]

Give me time to take a deep breath and I will send it to you privately.
I will not be long.
Hermano
 
From: nvcouto...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:07:51 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hermano, 
I would love to see your information on Dionisio's and Catarina's other 
children. I believe we established before that we have José de Frias Bode as a 
common ancestor. I'm wondering whether Ana's line connects with Domingos's 
further down. Many thanks.
Nancy

Sent from my iPad
On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:50 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hermano,
I am interested in the information you have on their children.
Manoel

Em sábado, 23 de janeiro de 2016 23:49:51 UTC-2, Hermano C. Pires  escreveu:


Manuel and Nancy
We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter Ana.
Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if you 
are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
Thank you both for confirming my info.
Hermano

 
From: nvcou...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
To: azo...@googlegroups.com

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 21 
Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
Nancy

Sent from my iPad
On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 sep 
1593 are my ancestors too.I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married 
Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara  escreveu:Lagoa:  
Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo. 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  <danan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?

From: "Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com>
To: "azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso line 
of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with the 
Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His son, was first 
married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried the name Meireles 
which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:Thanks 
Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:Linda McL,

You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told.

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marryin

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Take as many deep breaths as you need. Thanks in advance.

Nancy


On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Hermano C. Pires <lagoe...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Give me time to take a deep breath and I will send it to you privately.
> I will not be long.
> Hermano
>
>
> --
> From: nvcouto...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from
> Sao Miguel
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:07:51 -0500
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Hermano,
>
> I would love to see your information on Dionisio's and Catarina's other
> children. I believe we established before that we have José de Frias Bode
> as a common ancestor. I'm wondering whether Ana's line connects with
> Domingos's further down. Many thanks.
>
> Nancy
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:50 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hermano,
>
> I am interested in the information you have on their children.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sábado, 23 de janeiro de 2016 23:49:51 UTC-2, Hermano C. Pires escreveu:
>
> Manuel and Nancy
> We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter
> Ana.
> Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if
> you are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
> Thank you both for confirming my info.
> Hermano
>
>
> --
> From: nvcou...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from
> Sao Miguel
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents.
> I descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo
> on 21 Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
>
> Nancy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20
> sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
> I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in
> Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
> Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>
> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM, <danan...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants
> from Sao Miguel
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego
> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>
> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com
> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?)
> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus,
> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi
> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da
> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte
> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do
> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e
> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e
> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>
> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they
> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio
> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents
> and retold the stories 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Hermano, 

I would love to see your information on Dionisio's and Catarina's other 
children. I believe we established before that we have José de Frias Bode as a 
common ancestor. I'm wondering whether Ana's line connects with Domingos's 
further down. Many thanks.

Nancy


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:50 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hermano,
> 
> I am interested in the information you have on their children.
> 
> Manoel
> 
> Em sábado, 23 de janeiro de 2016 23:49:51 UTC-2, Hermano C. Pires escreveu:
>> 
>> Manuel and Nancy
>> We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter Ana.
>> Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if you 
>> are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
>> Thank you both for confirming my info.
>> Hermano
>> 
>>  
>> From: nvcou...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
>> Miguel
>> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
>> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
>> descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 
>> 21 Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
>> 
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 
>> sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
>> I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in 
>> Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
>> 
>> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>> 
>> Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM, <danan...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com>
>> To: "azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
>> Miguel
>> 
>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with 
>> the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His son, was 
>> first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried the name 
>> Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
>> native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>> 
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica 
>> de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de 
>> trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita 
>> fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de 
>> Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao 
>> dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, 
>> solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e 
>> moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose 
>> d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador 
>> na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>> 
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>> 
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Linda McL,
>> 
>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they 
>> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio 
>> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents 
>> and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories 
>> can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is 
>> telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was 
>> told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are 
>> told.
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[mances]

Hermano,

I am interested in the information you have on their children.

Manoel

Em sábado, 23 de janeiro de 2016 23:49:51 UTC-2, Hermano C. Pires escreveu:
>
> Manuel and Nancy
> We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter 
> Ana.
> Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if 
> you are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
> Thank you both for confirming my info.
> Hermano
>
>  
> --
> From: nvcou...@gmail.com 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from 
> Sao Miguel
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. 
> I descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo 
> on 21 Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
>
> Nancy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 
> sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
> I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in 
> Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
> Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>
> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>  
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM, <danan...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
> from Sao Miguel
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>
> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>
> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they 
> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio 
> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents 
> and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories 
> can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is 
> telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was 
> told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they 
> are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone 
> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>
> You need to go back to Manuel's parent

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[mances]

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 
sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in 
Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.

Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>
> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>  
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM, <danan...@comcast.net > 
> wrote:
>
>> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com >
>> *To: *"azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com >
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
>> from Sao Miguel
>>
>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>>
>>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda McL,
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
>>>>> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
>>>>> before 
>>>>> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
>>>>> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
>>>>> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
>>>>> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
>>>>> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
>>>>> believe most things they are told.
>>>>>
>>>>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
>>>>> it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
>>>>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
>>>>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
>>>>> someone 
>>>>> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
>>>>> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
>>>>> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>>>>>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
>>>>> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 
>>>>> 1896. 
>>>>> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>>>>>
>>>>> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
>>>>> the Azores.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner,

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 21 
Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.

Nancy

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 
> sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
> I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in 
> Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
> 
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
> 
> Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>> 
>> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM, <danan...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from 
>>> Sao Miguel
>>> 
>>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>>>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>>> 
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>>> 
>>>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>>>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>>>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>>>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e 
>>>> foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>>>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de 
>>>> vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta 
>>>> graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de 
>>>> Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta 
>>>> fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>>> 
>>>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>> Linda McL,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
>>>>>> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
>>>>>> before radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents 
>>>>>> or grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
>>>>>> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
>>>>>> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
>>>>>> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
>>>>>> believe most things they are told.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
>>>>>> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
>>>>>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
>>>>>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
>>>>>> someone have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans 
>>>>>> make mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to 
>>>>>> order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the 
>>>>>> widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You need to go back to Manuel's p

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Hermano C. Pires]

Manuel and Nancy
We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter Ana.
Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if you 
are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
Thank you both for confirming my info.
Hermano
 
From: nvcouto...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 21 
Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
Nancy

Sent from my iPad
On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 sep 
1593 are my ancestors too.I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married 
Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara  escreveu:Lagoa:  
Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo. 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  <danan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?

From: "Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com>
To: "azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso line 
of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with the 
Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His son, was first 
married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried the name Meireles 
which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:Thanks 
Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:Linda McL,

You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told.

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto 
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's going 
to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
Azores.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[JR]

Sorry, had to delete first post as I had the wrong Manuel. Below is the 
1896 marriage.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 


Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica 
de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de 
trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta 
dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho 
de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da 
Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos 
domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom 
Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e Maria 
Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e Joao 
Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 2:01:53 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Linda McL,

 You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
 they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before 
 radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
 grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
 childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
 liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
 just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
 believe most things they are told.

 Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
 it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
 margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
 dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
 someone 
 have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
 mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
 Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

 You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
 Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. 
 It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
 the Azores.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

That is really interesting that his son came from Lagoa to Rabo de Peixe.  
Do you know when or the name of the woman he married?

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 2:01:53 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Linda McL,

 You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
 they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before 
 radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
 grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
 childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
 liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
 just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
 believe most things they are told.

 Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
 it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
 margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
 dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
 someone 
 have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
 mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
 Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

 You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
 Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. 
 It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
 the Azores.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

Thank you to everyone for helping me on my quest, you are all amazing!!!

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 3:38:27 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Sorry, had to delete first post as I had the wrong Manuel. Below is the 
> 1896 marriage.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>  
> 
>
> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 2:01:53 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>>
>>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:

 Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

 On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
> before 
> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
> believe most things they are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
> it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
> someone 
> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>
> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 
> 1896. 
> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>
> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
> the Azores.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[JR]

Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html

Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica 
de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de 
trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta 
dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho 
de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da 
Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos 
domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom 
Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e Maria 
Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e Joao 
Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>
> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Linda McL,
>>
>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they 
>> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio 
>> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents 
>> and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories 
>> can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is 
>> telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was 
>> told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they 
>> are told.
>>
>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
>> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone 
>> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
>> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
>> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>>
>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
>> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. 
>> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>>
>> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
>> the Azores.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso
line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on
with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His
son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried
the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:

> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego
> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>
> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com
> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?)
> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus,
> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi
> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da
> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte
> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do
> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e
> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e
> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Linda McL,
>>>
>>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what
>>> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before
>>> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or
>>> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And
>>> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a
>>> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be
>>> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and
>>> believe most things they are told.
>>>
>>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it
>>> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
>>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
>>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
>>> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make
>>> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order
>>> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of
>>>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>>>
>>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of
>>> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896.
>>> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>>>
>>> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in
>>> the Azores.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Joe Matias]

Jr ,where did you find that info on Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria
Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego
>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com
>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?)
>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus,
>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi
>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da
>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte
>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do
>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e
>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e
>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Linda McL,

 You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what
 they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before
 radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or
 grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And
 childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a
 liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be
 just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and
 believe most things they are told.

 Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think
 it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
 margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
 dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
 have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make
 mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order
 Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of
  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

 You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of
 Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896.
 It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in
 the Azores.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[danandmaria]

Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor? 


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From: "Margaret Vicente" <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
To: "azores" <azores@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel 

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso line 
of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with the 
Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles. His son, was first 
married in Rabo de Peixe. Linda mentions Madalena carried the name Meireles 
which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection. 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR < jmro...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 

Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco... 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote: 


Thanks Cherri, I will try to go back and do some more research 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: 


Linda McL, 

You need to watch out for "family stories." Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told. 

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral. 

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto 
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's going 
to clarify some of your questions above and raise more. 

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
Azores. 

Cheri Mello 
Listowner, Azores-Gen 
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada 









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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[danandmaria]

there are Meirreles in Lagoa curently! 

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Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:14:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel 

Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 

Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco... 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote: 


Thanks Cherri, I will try to go back and do some more research 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: 


Linda McL, 

You need to watch out for "family stories." Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told. 

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral. 

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto 
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's going 
to clarify some of your questions above and raise more. 

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
Azores. 

Cheri Mello 
Listowner, Azores-Gen 
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada 








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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[JR]

I made a mistake, and quoted the wrong Manuel, who was born March 5, 1898. 
He can be found here and those notes are from the margin:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899_item1/P233.html

So that info you quote is unrelated to Linda. The correct Manuel, was 
baptised much later on March 11, and was born on Feb 23, 1898, and he is 
the son of Jacinto Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus, and can be found here:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899_item1/P239.html

JR



On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 6:02:58 PM UTC-5, joe m wrote:
>
> Jr ,where did you find that info on Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married 
> Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 
> 1922.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
>
>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>>
>>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:

 Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

 On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
> before 
> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
> believe most things they are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
> it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
> someone 
> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>
> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 
> 1896. 
> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>
> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
> the Azores.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they 
> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio 
> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents 
> and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories 
> can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is 
> telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was 
> told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they 
> are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone 
> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>
> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. 
> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>
> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
> Azores.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Linda McL,

You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they
are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio
and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents
and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories
can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is
telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was
told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they
are told.

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it
said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make
mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order
Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of
 and is marrying Maria Cabral.

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's
going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the
Azores.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

 My paternal grandfather's name is Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso and he was born 
in Rabo de Peixe on Feb 23 1898 and died in Rabo de peixe on Sept 25 1969.  
His parent's names are Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It is 
said that he married a woman in Lagoa (do not know her name)  I am not sure 
if she died, or what happened, but he came back to Rabo de Peixe and 
married my grandmother.  Her name is Maria Jose Cabral.  They married when 
he was 28 years of age (which is really old to get married at that time).  
Now that I know of Fragoso's in Lagoa, this rumor seems like it might be 
true.  

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wrote:
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> Linda, 
>
> I would love to check...  Your grandfather was born in Rabo de Peixe?  on 
> Feb 23 1889?  Who did he marry in Lagoa?  Wasthat woman your grandmother?
>
> Maria Moore
>
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> *From: *"Linda McLellan" <linda.mc...@gmail.com >
> *To: *"azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com >
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:46:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
> from Sao Miguel
>
>   There is talk that my grandfather Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso born feb 23 
> 1989 married a woman in Lagoa.  I wonder if this is the same line.
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-5, danan...@comcast.net 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have a few Fragoso from Lagoa in my file!
>>
>
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>> *To: *"azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com <http://JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:54:46 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
>> from Sao Miguel
>>
>> What is your father's name and when did he arrive in Canada?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Linda McLellan <linda.mc...@gmail.com 
>> <http://JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
>>> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
>>> meet any other Fragoso's.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Linda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM, <danandma...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>
>
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> *To: *"azores" <azores@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants
> from Sao Miguel
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego
>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com
>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?)
>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus,
>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi
>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da
>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte
>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do
>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e
>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e
>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Linda McL,
>>>>
>>>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what
>>>> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before
>>>> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or
>>>> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And
>>>> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a
>>>> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be
>>>> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and
>>>> believe most things they are told.
>>>>
>>>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think
>>>> it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
>>>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
>>>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
>>>> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make
>>>> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order
>>>> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of
>>>>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>>>>
>>>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of
>>>> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896.
>>>> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>>>>
>>>> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in
>>>> the Azores.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[danandmaria]

I have a few Fragoso from Lagoa in my file! 

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To: "azores" <azores@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:54:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel 

What is your father's name and when did he arrive in Canada? 

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Linda McLellan < linda.mclella...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Hello All, 

My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to Canada. 
Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare. Would love to meet any 
other Fragoso's. 

Thanks 

Linda 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

My Father's name is Jose d'Andrade Fragoso and he immigrated to canada in 
the 50's 

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 11:42:56 PM UTC-5, joe m wrote:
>
> What is your father's name and when did he arrive in Canada?
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Linda McLellan  > wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
>> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
>> meet any other Fragoso's.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Linda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

  There is talk that my grandfather Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso born feb 23 
1989 married a woman in Lagoa.  I wonder if this is the same line.

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> I have a few Fragoso from Lagoa in my file!
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> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
> from Sao Miguel
>
> What is your father's name and when did he arrive in Canada?
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Linda McLellan <linda.mc...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
>> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
>> meet any other Fragoso's.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Linda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[JR]

I'm somewhat confused. If you have your grandfather's birth date, surely 
you must know where he was born? I think you may have posted the wrong 
date. Should it be 1889? Can you check it?

JR

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 8:56:54 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>
>   There is talk that my grandfather Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso born feb 23 
> 1989 married a woman in Lagoa.  I wonder if this is the same line.
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-5, danan...@comcast.net 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have a few Fragoso from Lagoa in my file!
>>
>> --
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>> *To: *"azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:54:46 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
>> from Sao Miguel
>>
>> What is your father's name and when did he arrive in Canada?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Linda McLellan <linda.mc...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
>>> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
>>> meet any other Fragoso's.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Linda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[danandmaria]

Linda, 

I would love to check... Your grandfather was born in Rabo de Peixe? on Feb 23 
1889? Who did he marry in Lagoa? Was that woman your grandmother? 

Maria Moore 

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To: "azores" <azores@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:46:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel 

There is talk that my grandfather Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso born feb 23 1989 
married a woman in Lagoa. I wonder if this is the same line. 

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I have a few Fragoso from Lagoa in my file! 









From: "Joe Matias" < joe.m...@gmail.com > 
To: "azores" < azo...@googlegroups.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:54:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel 

What is your father's name and when did he arrive in Canada? 

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wrote: 



Hello All, 

My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to Canada. 
Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare. Would love to meet any 
other Fragoso's. 

Thanks 

Linda 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Joe Matias]

What is your father's name and when did he arrive in Canada?

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Linda McLellan  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to
> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to
> meet any other Fragoso's.
>
> Thanks
>
> Linda
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

Hello All,

My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
meet any other Fragoso's.

Thanks

Linda

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