Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
That's funny because my brain wasn't so hot today either! On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 3:22 PM, nancy jean baptiste < fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Sandra, > > > I'm sorry...that was meant for someone elsemy brain was worn out! > > > Nancy Jean > -- > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of > Sandra Perez > *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:24:24 PM > *To:* Azores Genealogy Google Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames > > Nancy, > > Do you have the right Sandra? I am Sandra Perez. > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, nancy jean baptiste < > fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Sandra, >> >> >> I've been looking in FTDNA at our match and although I didn't see your >> tree, I have figured out the line that we match on. In looking at old >> emails with you I noticed this info about your maternal grandmother, >> Carolina Alves Vieiraalcunha, Charola. While looking at the descendant >> list of the line we match on I came across the name Inacia Jesus Charola >> born May 3, 1883 in Lages. Is she connected to you? >> >> >> Also is Elsie Valim on your maternal line? I have an x match with her and >> she must connect to my ggrandmother, Rosa Luisa Garcia via her mother, Ana >> Luisa Medeiros. All of Lages. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Nancy Jean >> -- >> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of >> Sandra Valine Dauer >> *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36:54 AM >> *To:* azores >> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames >> >> My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola. I do >> not know if this is from her father or mother. Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico >> island. >> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> Anthony M, >>> >>> Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the >>> de/da/do/d' stuff. >>> >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>> Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group"
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Hi Sandra, I'm sorry...that was meant for someone elsemy brain was worn out! Nancy Jean From: azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sandra Perez Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:24:24 PM To: Azores Genealogy Google Group Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames Nancy, Do you have the right Sandra? I am Sandra Perez. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, nancy jean baptiste mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Hi Sandra, I've been looking in FTDNA at our match and although I didn't see your tree, I have figured out the line that we match on. In looking at old emails with you I noticed this info about your maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieiraalcunha, Charola. While looking at the descendant list of the line we match on I came across the name Inacia Jesus Charola born May 3, 1883 in Lages. Is she connected to you? Also is Elsie Valim on your maternal line? I have an x match with her and she must connect to my ggrandmother, Rosa Luisa Garcia via her mother, Ana Luisa Medeiros. All of Lages. Kind regards, Nancy Jean From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Sandra Valine Dauer mailto:acore...@gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36:54 AM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola. I do not know if this is from her father or mother. Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico island. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote: Anthony M, Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the de/da/do/d' stuff. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Nancy, Do you have the right Sandra? I am Sandra Perez. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, nancy jean baptiste < fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Sandra, > > > I've been looking in FTDNA at our match and although I didn't see your > tree, I have figured out the line that we match on. In looking at old > emails with you I noticed this info about your maternal grandmother, > Carolina Alves Vieiraalcunha, Charola. While looking at the descendant > list of the line we match on I came across the name Inacia Jesus Charola > born May 3, 1883 in Lages. Is she connected to you? > > > Also is Elsie Valim on your maternal line? I have an x match with her and > she must connect to my ggrandmother, Rosa Luisa Garcia via her mother, Ana > Luisa Medeiros. All of Lages. > > > Kind regards, > > Nancy Jean > -- > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of > Sandra Valine Dauer > *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36:54 AM > *To:* azores > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames > > My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola. I do not > know if this is from her father or mother. Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico > island. > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Anthony M, >> >> Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the >> de/da/do/d' stuff. >> >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Hi Sandra, I've been looking in FTDNA at our match and although I didn't see your tree, I have figured out the line that we match on. In looking at old emails with you I noticed this info about your maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieiraalcunha, Charola. While looking at the descendant list of the line we match on I came across the name Inacia Jesus Charola born May 3, 1883 in Lages. Is she connected to you? Also is Elsie Valim on your maternal line? I have an x match with her and she must connect to my ggrandmother, Rosa Luisa Garcia via her mother, Ana Luisa Medeiros. All of Lages. Kind regards, Nancy Jean From: azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sandra Valine Dauer Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36:54 AM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola. I do not know if this is from her father or mother. Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico island. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote: Anthony M, Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the de/da/do/d' stuff. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola. I do not know if this is from her father or mother. Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico island. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Anthony M, > > Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the de/da/do/d' > stuff. > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Anthony M, Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the de/da/do/d' stuff. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Based on what you and others have written I'm understanding that some families may have used their alcunha on some official Portuguese documents and while immigrating, but dropped the alcunha once they finally arrived in the states. That being said, I should also being looking for the family alcunha while searching through old records, not just their surname. Am I following this right? On Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:07:22 PM UTC-7, Mary MK wrote: > > I have Pingao in my line: Medeiros Pingao. They used Pingao on the ship > passenger list from Sao Miguel to Hawaii, but they dropped it when they > moved to California and just used Medeiros. > > Mary Kent > > > On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:20:01 PM UTC-4, NancyC wrote: >> >> Antonio, my Couto line, from Arrifes and Sao Roque, Sao Miguel, has >> Bonito for an alcunha, and I've seen it in church records and on passenger >> lists. I've seen other families with the alcunha Feio, so I guess my >> family was lucky. My maternal grandmother's Frias family from Lagoa, Sao >> Miguel, has the alcunha Malassada. >> >> Another branch of my family was called Pingao. I'm remembering this from >> many, many years ago. I was told the word meant squash, but my dictionary >> suggests that it means a very large drop. I suppose a squash resembles a >> very large drop. Have you ever come across Pingao? >> >> Nancy >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> I have Viola as an alcunha. Family stories differ slightly. He either >>> made the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it. Or who knows, maybe >>> both! >>> >>> My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his >>> death record it appears. His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back >>> and forth between the Azores and America and used the alcunha. >>> >>> One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my >>> 3rd cousin's home in Vila Franca! >>> >>> George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an >>> client. "Por Examplo" was the alcunha. And it went on for something like >>> 3 generations! You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha. He >>> wanted to be sure his explanations were clear...so "por examplo" and he >>> would probably explain in great detail! LOL >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>> Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
I have Pingao in my line: Medeiros Pingao. They used Pingao on the ship passenger list from Sao Miguel to Hawaii, but they dropped it when they moved to California and just used Medeiros. Mary Kent On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:20:01 PM UTC-4, NancyC wrote: > > Antonio, my Couto line, from Arrifes and Sao Roque, Sao Miguel, has Bonito > for an alcunha, and I've seen it in church records and on passenger lists. > I've seen other families with the alcunha Feio, so I guess my family was > lucky. My maternal grandmother's Frias family from Lagoa, Sao Miguel, has > the alcunha Malassada. > > Another branch of my family was called Pingao. I'm remembering this from > many, many years ago. I was told the word meant squash, but my dictionary > suggests that it means a very large drop. I suppose a squash resembles a > very large drop. Have you ever come across Pingao? > > Nancy > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Cheri Mello > wrote: > >> I have Viola as an alcunha. Family stories differ slightly. He either >> made the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it. Or who knows, maybe >> both! >> >> My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his >> death record it appears. His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back >> and forth between the Azores and America and used the alcunha. >> >> One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my >> 3rd cousin's home in Vila Franca! >> >> George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an >> client. "Por Examplo" was the alcunha. And it went on for something like >> 3 generations! You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha. He >> wanted to be sure his explanations were clear...so "por examplo" and he >> would probably explain in great detail! LOL >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Most of mine are from Lagoa, S. Miguel. I do have some from Terceira which includes a Jose Goncalves Parreira who was born in Ribeirinhas abt. 1759 and married a Francisca Candida de Menese (Menezes) Vieira 15 sep 1821 in Conceicao, Angra, Terceira. Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:39:34 -0700 From: anthonyamarti...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames >From what I know, they are from Ribeirinhas. On Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:56:26 PM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote: Anthony What vilage are your Parreiras from? Hermano Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:12:11 -0700 From: antoni...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames Nancy, Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who knows could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers from Sao Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably 100-150 years later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the strangest alcunhas that I have heard is Bolor which means mold. Antonio On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. Does anyone have an explanation for this? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
>From what I know, they are from Ribeirinhas. On Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:56:26 PM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote: > > Anthony > What vilage are your Parreiras from? > Hermano > > > -- > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:12:11 -0700 > From: antoni...@gmail.com > To: azo...@googlegroups.com > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames > > Nancy, > > Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who > knows could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers > from Sao Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably > 100-150 years later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the > strangest alcunhas that I have heard is Bolor which means mold. > > Antonio > > > > On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote: > > I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming > practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. > > My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common > for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio > Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where > to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be > 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. > > Does anyone have an explanation for this? > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Researching in Terceira just now and was reminded of your Canhoto nickname.I have 8 people using that as a surname, most from Terceira and ranging from the 1500s to 1800s.There are Fernandes Canhoto, Gomes Canhoto, Cardoso Canhoto, Machado Canhoto and Vieira Canhoto.I'm sure you know, but some might not realize that a great many surnames today started as a nickname.Even Furtado, for instance.To an English speaker, it's often funny to translate surnames. It's not Portuguese, but just tonight we were having salad with bacon bits and my in-laws from Slovakia were saying the word "slanin" and so I asked my son if he knew what that means and he says "bacon." So then I asked does he realize he has ancestors named Slanin? And he just laughed, but it's true. That was my wife's late grandmother's maiden name.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com ---- Original Message ---- Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames From: A Faria <antoniof1...@gmail.com> Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 1:21 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com John,I knew an old fellow in Almagreira, Lajes do Pico with the alcunha of Canhoto everyone referred to him by that behind his back but they never dared saying it to his face he would throw a fit! For some reason certain alcunha's only apply to certain people but others are passed on because his son and grandson aren't known by Canhoto. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Anthony What vilage are your Parreiras from? Hermano Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:12:11 -0700 From: antoniof1...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames Nancy, Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who knows could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers from Sao Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably 100-150 years later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the strangest alcunhas that I have heard is Bolor which means mold. Antonio On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. Does anyone have an explanation for this? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
There are some Lindinhas in Lagoa, Sao Miguel - Original Message - From: "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" To: "azores" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:56:04 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames It is most certain that "Lindinha" is a nickname. -Mensagem original- De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Kirsten Enviada: sábado, 20 de Setembro de 2014 06:19 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames I wonder if this explains my "Lindinha" which I am told is not a proper name.my. Great Great Grandmother was Lucinda Augusta Moniz, but per her death cert. her father was Mr. Lindinha. Has anyone heard of this as a nickname? Kirsten -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Yes Doug, my wife is descended from the Carautas of Ribeiras. Jordao Alvares Carauta was the second settler on the island and settled in Ribeiras. On Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:01:39 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > > Yes, Antonio. I heard the same thing from the late historian James Guill. > He told me that his name was Jordao Alvares Carauta and in fact, there are > several people we can find in the existing Pico records that used that name. > > I don't know without looking whether your wife has those ancestors (found > in Ribeiras), but I recently noticed some people are descendants from > people using this name. The reason it sticks in my mind is that I think > someone has him on the direct paternal line and for me that is extremely > interesting. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -------- Original Message > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames > From: A Faria > > Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 1:26 pm > To: azo...@googlegroups.com > > If memory serves me the second settler to Pico was Jordao Carauta(which is > a alcunha that comes from Cara Alta which means long face) Carauta then > became a surname I think his original surname was Alvares. > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Yes, Antonio. I heard the same thing from the late historian James Guill.He told me that his name was Jordao Alvares Carauta and in fact, there are several people we can find in the existing Pico records that used that name.I don't know without looking whether your wife has those ancestors (found in Ribeiras), but I recently noticed some people are descendants from people using this name. The reason it sticks in my mind is that I think someone has him on the direct paternal line and for me that is extremely interesting.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames From: A Faria <antoniof1...@gmail.com> Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 1:26 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com If memory serves me the second settler to Pico was Jordao Carauta(which is a alcunha that comes from Cara Alta which means long face) Carauta then became a surname I think his original surname was Alvares. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
If memory serves me the second settler to Pico was Jordao Carauta(which is a alcunha that comes from Cara Alta which means long face) Carauta then became a surname I think his original surname was Alvares. On Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:14:40 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > > Yes, I also have this name - Feio. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > Original Message ---- > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames > From: "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" > > Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 12:54 pm > To: > > > … FEIO (Feyo) is also a very old family name! > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
John, I knew an old fellow in Almagreira, Lajes do Pico with the alcunha of Canhoto everyone referred to him by that behind his back but they never dared saying it to his face he would throw a fit! For some reason certain alcunha's only apply to certain people but others are passed on because his son and grandson aren't known by Canhoto. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote: > > I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming > practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. > > My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common > for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio > Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where > to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be > 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. > > Does anyone have an explanation for this? > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Yes, I also have this name - Feio.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames From: "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" <eliseuman...@gmail.com> Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 12:54 pm To: <azores@googlegroups.com> … FEIO (Feyo) is also a very old family name! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Most likely Maria dos SERAFINS is a religious name. SERAFIM is some kind of an angel (SERAFINS, QUERUBINS, ANGELS). De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de A Faria Enviada: sábado, 20 de Setembro de 2014 15:16 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames Doug, I can see how you got a blank look considering how common those surnames are sounds like you had a great time. My wife has an ancestor from Ribeiras named Maria dos Serafins born about 1740 that moved to Lajes and married a Jose Antonio. Antonio On Friday, September 19, 2014 8:55:03 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Antonio, We have "cebola branca" (white onion) referring to their head of hair from Angra. I found it interesting what you wrote about the Lajes do Pico families. On my first trip to find cousins in Piedade, Pico, I asked around for anyone using the "Leal da Rosa" surname combo and got that blank look from just about everyone. But one person thought there was a person he knew with that surname, but called Jose Serafim. He was right because first of all, Serafim is not that common so is a great choice to use as alcunha, and second it comes from his grandfather named Serafim Leal da Rosa. So I found him and many relatives. Showed me their wine-making, ate the fish they just caught for dinner. Great time. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
It is most certain that "Lindinha" is a nickname. -Mensagem original- De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Kirsten Enviada: sábado, 20 de Setembro de 2014 06:19 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames I wonder if this explains my "Lindinha" which I am told is not a proper name.my. Great Great Grandmother was Lucinda Augusta Moniz, but per her death cert. her father was Mr. Lindinha. Has anyone heard of this as a nickname? Kirsten -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
… FEIO (Feyo) is also a very old family name! De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Nancy Couto Enviada: sábado, 20 de Setembro de 2014 03:20 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames Antonio, my Couto line, from Arrifes and Sao Roque, Sao Miguel, has Bonito for an alcunha, and I've seen it in church records and on passenger lists. I've seen other families with the alcunha Feio, so I guess my family was lucky. My maternal grandmother's Frias family from Lagoa, Sao Miguel, has the alcunha Malassada. Another branch of my family was called Pingao. I'm remembering this from many, many years ago. I was told the word meant squash, but my dictionary suggests that it means a very large drop. I suppose a squash resembles a very large drop. Have you ever come across Pingao? Nancy On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: I have Viola as an alcunha. Family stories differ slightly. He either made the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it. Or who knows, maybe both! My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his death record it appears. His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back and forth between the Azores and America and used the alcunha. One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my 3rd cousin's home in Vila Franca! George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an client. "Por Examplo" was the alcunha. And it went on for something like 3 generations! You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha. He wanted to be sure his explanations were clear...so "por examplo" and he would probably explain in great detail! LOL Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Eric, Adding to what you said about the Canhoto alcunha on Flores, I once helped a fellow (now deceased) with a "Canhoto" in his family tree. He was born in the US and I helped him research his Flores family tree. Somehow he didn't quite get it because he always said that among other families, he was researching the "Canhoto" family from Flores. John Vasconcelos On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 7:31 PM, luiznoia . wrote: > I've been working on a Pimentel family from Flores. For a few generations > the were Pimentel Belo. Belo = beautiful. > > Then the next generation is Pimentel Canhoto. Canhoto means left-handed, > but also, like the French word gauche, also clumsy, coarse, awkward. > > > Eric Edgar > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 6:37 PM, A Faria wrote: > >> Hi Anthony, >> >> I can't speak for every place in the Azores but I can speak to you about >> the use of alcunhas in Lajes do Pico. My father frequently talks about >> people from the old country he lived there until his early 30's and >> usually refers them by their alcunha seldom by their surname most >> families were known by an alcunha and they were usually passed down along >> the paternal line just like a surname in the United States, surnames >> however were inconsistently passed down. Surnames are even today seldom >> used in everyday conversation I suspect due to so many people sharing >> common surnames. >> >> If you walked into a village and asked for Manuel Cardoso most people >> wouldn't have any idea who you were talking about even though that may be >> that person's official surname, But if you asked for Manuel Melao(Melon) or >> Manuel Pombo(Pigeon) someone would figure out who you were talking about. >> Interestingly those are actual alcunhas for two different Cardoso lines. >> >> I've looked at the information from the Rol dos Confesados for 1883(This >> information was collected by the parish priest and documents all those of >> age to confess by household) and found some interesting alcunhas for some >> of mine and my wife's line's. Some I am able to translate, two are also >> used as surnames by some families Bonito(Handsome) and Craveiro others I >> found are Touro(Bull), Toucinho(bacon), Caipiras(Countrified, the American >> version I think would be Redneck), Zarigo, Burrinha(Donkey), Carocha(Bug), >> Zidro, Pe de Galinha(Chicken Foot, very interesting!) >> >> I have also noticed that some of my lines didn't have alcunhas recorded >> for some reason especially the one's that owned more property. >> >> I'm curious if anyone else would care to share their families alcunhas. >> >> Antonio >> >> >> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote: >>> >>> I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming >>> practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. >>> >>> My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common >>> for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio >>> Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where >>> to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be >>> 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. >>> >>> Does anyone have an explanation for this? >>> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.g
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Doug, I can see how you got a blank look considering how common those surnames are sounds like you had a great time. My wife has an ancestor from Ribeiras named Maria dos Serafins born about 1740 that moved to Lajes and married a Jose Antonio. Antonio On Friday, September 19, 2014 8:55:03 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > > Antonio, > > We have "cebola branca" (white onion) referring to their head of hair from > Angra. > > I found it interesting what you wrote about the Lajes do Pico families. > > On my first trip to find cousins in Piedade, Pico, I asked around for > anyone using the "Leal da Rosa" surname combo and got that blank look from > just about everyone. But one person thought there was a person he knew with > that surname, but called Jose Serafim. He was right because first of all, > Serafim is not that common so is a great choice to use as alcunha, and > second it comes from his grandfather named Serafim Leal da Rosa. So I found > him and many relatives. Showed me their wine-making, ate the fish they just > caught for dinner. Great time. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Nancy, Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who knows could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers from Sao Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably 100-150 years later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the strangest alcunhas that I have heard is Bolor which means mold. Antonio On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote: > > I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming > practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. > > My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common > for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio > Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where > to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be > 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. > > Does anyone have an explanation for this? > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
I wonder if this explains my "Lindinha" which I am told is not a proper name.my. Great Great Grandmother was Lucinda Augusta Moniz, but per her death cert. her father was Mr. Lindinha. Has anyone heard of this as a nickname? Kirsten -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Antonio,We have "cebola branca" (white onion) referring to their head of hair from Angra.I found it interesting what you wrote about the Lajes do Pico families.On my first trip to find cousins in Piedade, Pico, I asked around for anyone using the "Leal da Rosa" surname combo and got that blank look from just about everyone. But one person thought there was a person he knew with that surname, but called Jose Serafim. He was right because first of all, Serafim is not that common so is a great choice to use as alcunha, and second it comes from his grandfather named Serafim Leal da Rosa. So I found him and many relatives. Showed me their wine-making, ate the fish they just caught for dinner. Great time.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Antonio, my Couto line, from Arrifes and Sao Roque, Sao Miguel, has Bonito for an alcunha, and I've seen it in church records and on passenger lists. I've seen other families with the alcunha Feio, so I guess my family was lucky. My maternal grandmother's Frias family from Lagoa, Sao Miguel, has the alcunha Malassada. Another branch of my family was called Pingao. I'm remembering this from many, many years ago. I was told the word meant squash, but my dictionary suggests that it means a very large drop. I suppose a squash resembles a very large drop. Have you ever come across Pingao? Nancy On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > I have Viola as an alcunha. Family stories differ slightly. He either > made the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it. Or who knows, maybe > both! > > My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his > death record it appears. His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back > and forth between the Azores and America and used the alcunha. > > One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my 3rd > cousin's home in Vila Franca! > > George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an > client. "Por Examplo" was the alcunha. And it went on for something like > 3 generations! You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha. He > wanted to be sure his explanations were clear...so "por examplo" and he > would probably explain in great detail! LOL > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
I have Viola as an alcunha. Family stories differ slightly. He either made the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it. Or who knows, maybe both! My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his death record it appears. His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back and forth between the Azores and America and used the alcunha. One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my 3rd cousin's home in Vila Franca! George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an client. "Por Examplo" was the alcunha. And it went on for something like 3 generations! You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha. He wanted to be sure his explanations were clear...so "por examplo" and he would probably explain in great detail! LOL Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
I've been working on a Pimentel family from Flores. For a few generations the were Pimentel Belo. Belo = beautiful. Then the next generation is Pimentel Canhoto. Canhoto means left-handed, but also, like the French word gauche, also clumsy, coarse, awkward. Eric Edgar On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 6:37 PM, A Faria wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > I can't speak for every place in the Azores but I can speak to you about > the use of alcunhas in Lajes do Pico. My father frequently talks about > people from the old country he lived there until his early 30's and > usually refers them by their alcunha seldom by their surname most > families were known by an alcunha and they were usually passed down along > the paternal line just like a surname in the United States, surnames > however were inconsistently passed down. Surnames are even today seldom > used in everyday conversation I suspect due to so many people sharing > common surnames. > > If you walked into a village and asked for Manuel Cardoso most people > wouldn't have any idea who you were talking about even though that may be > that person's official surname, But if you asked for Manuel Melao(Melon) or > Manuel Pombo(Pigeon) someone would figure out who you were talking about. > Interestingly those are actual alcunhas for two different Cardoso lines. > > I've looked at the information from the Rol dos Confesados for 1883(This > information was collected by the parish priest and documents all those of > age to confess by household) and found some interesting alcunhas for some > of mine and my wife's line's. Some I am able to translate, two are also > used as surnames by some families Bonito(Handsome) and Craveiro others I > found are Touro(Bull), Toucinho(bacon), Caipiras(Countrified, the American > version I think would be Redneck), Zarigo, Burrinha(Donkey), Carocha(Bug), > Zidro, Pe de Galinha(Chicken Foot, very interesting!) > > I have also noticed that some of my lines didn't have alcunhas recorded > for some reason especially the one's that owned more property. > > I'm curious if anyone else would care to share their families alcunhas. > > Antonio > > > On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote: >> >> I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming >> practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. >> >> My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common >> for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio >> Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where >> to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be >> 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. >> >> Does anyone have an explanation for this? >> > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Hi Anthony, I can't speak for every place in the Azores but I can speak to you about the use of alcunhas in Lajes do Pico. My father frequently talks about people from the old country he lived there until his early 30's and usually refers them by their alcunha seldom by their surname most families were known by an alcunha and they were usually passed down along the paternal line just like a surname in the United States, surnames however were inconsistently passed down. Surnames are even today seldom used in everyday conversation I suspect due to so many people sharing common surnames. If you walked into a village and asked for Manuel Cardoso most people wouldn't have any idea who you were talking about even though that may be that person's official surname, But if you asked for Manuel Melao(Melon) or Manuel Pombo(Pigeon) someone would figure out who you were talking about. Interestingly those are actual alcunhas for two different Cardoso lines. I've looked at the information from the Rol dos Confesados for 1883(This information was collected by the parish priest and documents all those of age to confess by household) and found some interesting alcunhas for some of mine and my wife's line's. Some I am able to translate, two are also used as surnames by some families Bonito(Handsome) and Craveiro others I found are Touro(Bull), Toucinho(bacon), Caipiras(Countrified, the American version I think would be Redneck), Zarigo, Burrinha(Donkey), Carocha(Bug), Zidro, Pe de Galinha(Chicken Foot, very interesting!) I have also noticed that some of my lines didn't have alcunhas recorded for some reason especially the one's that owned more property. I'm curious if anyone else would care to share their families alcunhas. Antonio On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote: > > I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming > practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. > > My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common > for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio > Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where > to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be > 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. > > Does anyone have an explanation for this? > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
They were used pretty much like we use nicknames today; find a word that describes someone, and, attach it. Perhaps a woman named Maria was very adept at growing flowers - she particularly loved the scent of carnations, she became Maria das Cravos; or, a man named Joao liked working in the Orange groves, he became Joao das Laranjeiras - it was anything that could be used to identify a person from others in a community. On Friday, September 19, 2014 2:24:12 PM UTC-4, Anthony Martin wrote: > > Thank you for the clarification Dano. I'm assuming the 'alcunhas' would > have some type of significance to the family, but is there a certain rhyme > or reason for how it's chosen? Can the alcunhas be something other than a > surname? I'm not familiar with this custom, so it is a little strange to me. > > On Friday, September 19, 2014 6:17:22 AM UTC-7, Dano wrote: >> >> Although, there are multiple reasons for using "alcunhas," or nicknames, >> they are often used to identify members of a certain family that may have a >> very common name surname in a particular area. As for the examples you say >> that you've come across, they appear to be corruptions of legitimate >> surname - one, in particular, resembles the very old spelling for the >> surname Rebello (Rebelo, Rabola, Rabella, etc). The other (ilhars) looks >> familiar, but, I can't place it at this time. >> >> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:44:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony Martin wrote: >>> >>> I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming >>> practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. >>> >>> My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common >>> for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio >>> Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where >>> to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be >>> 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. >>> >>> Does anyone have an explanation for this? >>> >> -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Thank you for the clarification Dano. I'm assuming the 'alcunhas' would have some type of significance to the family, but is there a certain rhyme or reason for how it's chosen? Can the alcunhas be something other than a surname? I'm not familiar with this custom, so it is a little strange to me. On Friday, September 19, 2014 6:17:22 AM UTC-7, Dano wrote: > > Although, there are multiple reasons for using "alcunhas," or nicknames, > they are often used to identify members of a certain family that may have a > very common name surname in a particular area. As for the examples you say > that you've come across, they appear to be corruptions of legitimate > surname - one, in particular, resembles the very old spelling for the > surname Rebello (Rebelo, Rabola, Rabella, etc). The other (ilhars) looks > familiar, but, I can't place it at this time. > > On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:44:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony Martin wrote: >> >> I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming >> practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. >> >> My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common >> for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio >> Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where >> to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be >> 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. >> >> Does anyone have an explanation for this? >> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
Although, there are multiple reasons for using "alcunhas," or nicknames, they are often used to identify members of a certain family that may have a very common name surname in a particular area. As for the examples you say that you've come across, they appear to be corruptions of legitimate surname - one, in particular, resembles the very old spelling for the surname Rebello (Rebelo, Rabola, Rabella, etc). The other (ilhars) looks familiar, but, I can't place it at this time. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:44:17 PM UTC-4, Anthony Martin wrote: > > I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming > practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question. > > My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common > for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio > Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where > to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be > 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'. > > Does anyone have an explanation for this? > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
