[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
Thanks Steve for your thoughts. There is likely some changing or rearranging of names as you have noted. I'll have to keep working at it. I agree that the script being clear is one of the key problems. If it were clearer then we could more easily translate. Thanks again and hope your research is successful! Ed On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:35:42 PM UTC-6, Steve Burton wrote: Hi Ed. My parent's families are also from Flores I find the records challenging because of clarity more than not being able to read Portuguese. I don't know about the surname Anthony or Antonio but my relatives have that as a first name the last name Miguel (which is really a first name as is Anthony). Their surname is also listed as da Freitas with the Miguel, sometimes used alone. I also have Nicolau as a first name for my 2nd great grandfather. I would play around with some of my surnames use Antonio or Antone as a first name. You have given me a great idea for mine that is to use my Antonio as a last name. Thanks! They often switched names around; e.g., the father would be Joao Antonio the son would be Antonio Joao. Good luck! On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:16:13 PM UTC-8, destin...@gmail.comwrote: Good afternoon, My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in Tennessee. I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last few years and one our greatest challenges is on the “Anthony” line since it apparently goes through the Azores. I am checking to see if anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores. All the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores. Based on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there. I have no parish or village to go by. Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT. I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?). I took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese. I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help you could provide. I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, grandparents, and other siblings if any. I am open to other suggestions on steps to take in locating this information. Thank you for your time. Ed -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
Hi Ed. My parent's families are also from Flores I find the records challenging because of clarity more than not being able to read Portuguese. I don't know about the surname Anthony or Antonio but my relatives have that as a first name the last name Miguel (which is really a first name as is Anthony). Their surname is also listed as da Freitas with the Miguel, sometimes used alone. I also have Nicolau as a first name for my 2nd great grandfather. I would play around with some of my surnames use Antonio or Antone as a first name. You have given me a great idea for mine that is to use my Antonio as a last name. Thanks! They often switched names around; e.g., the father would be Joao Antonio the son would be Antonio Joao. Good luck! On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:16:13 PM UTC-8, destin...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon, My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in Tennessee. I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last few years and one our greatest challenges is on the “Anthony” line since it apparently goes through the Azores. I am checking to see if anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores. All the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores. Based on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there. I have no parish or village to go by. Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT. I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?). I took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese. I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help you could provide. I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, grandparents, and other siblings if any. I am open to other suggestions on steps to take in locating this information. Thank you for your time. Ed -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
Hello Eric, Thanks. I had only seen the 1859 entry but not the others. That is an interesting observation. So the thinking would be that he added a c because there was also another of the same name. The 1859 and 1880 census do not show the c but the 1870 does. He is noted twice in the 1860 census one with the middle initial and one without. I think he did end up selling wares as a peddler after his boating days based on some city directories. The marriage announcement in the paper did not show the c in 1830. Looks like the key will be finding his baptismal entry if possible in the CCA which would give us his parents names. Thanks again for the idea. Ed On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:16:13 PM UTC-6, destin...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon, My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in Tennessee. I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last few years and one our greatest challenges is on the “Anthony” line since it apparently goes through the Azores. I am checking to see if anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores. All the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores. Based on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there. I have no parish or village to go by. Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT. I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?). I took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese. I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help you could provide. I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, grandparents, and other siblings if any. I am open to other suggestions on steps to take in locating this information. Thank you for your time. Ed -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
Oh golly, I should have read your message all the way through before posting. Clearly you are already linked into the CCA site. If you see anything that looks possible send the page number and the parish, and let others take a look for you. Did you see any Nicholau, Nicholas, etc? On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:16:13 PM UTC-5, destin...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon, My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in Tennessee. I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last few years and one our greatest challenges is on the “Anthony” line since it apparently goes through the Azores. I am checking to see if anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores. All the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores. Based on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there. I have no parish or village to go by. Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT. I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?). I took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese. I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help you could provide. I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, grandparents, and other siblings if any. I am open to other suggestions on steps to take in locating this information. Thank you for your time. Ed -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
No problem. Thanks Marcia for your thoughts. You may well be right about the birthday and I agree that the name well have been changed or rearranged in some way. I will continue to work at it and let folks know if I find anything. Reading the script in the records seems to be the biggest challenge for me. On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:08:36 AM UTC-6, Marcia wrote: Oh golly, I should have read your message all the way through before posting. Clearly you are already linked into the CCA site. If you see anything that looks possible send the page number and the parish, and let others take a look for you. Did you see any Nicholau, Nicholas, etc? On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:16:13 PM UTC-5, destin...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon, My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in Tennessee. I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last few years and one our greatest challenges is on the “Anthony” line since it apparently goes through the Azores. I am checking to see if anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores. All the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores. Based on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there. I have no parish or village to go by. Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT. I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?). I took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese. I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help you could provide. I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, grandparents, and other siblings if any. I am open to other suggestions on steps to take in locating this information. Thank you for your time. Ed -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
The Francisco Gomes book, Casais das Flores e do Corvo, is available in Kindle format. It is an abstract of marriages on Flores and Corvo. It is in Portuguese but because it is typescript it is much easier to read. It is arranged by parishes and is alpha by groom's first name within the parish. Because I knew both first and last names of my great great grandparents I was able to find them quickly by skimming through each parish until I found them. I still have to find two other sets of gggrandparents who were also from Flores but they will be more difficult because I do not know the names of the brides. You may be able to find the book through Inter Library loan. Mary Olive Herzog -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
I have the Casais das Flores e do Corvo book, and have searched it for clues. There's not anything jumping out as a clue here. The name Nicholas C Anthony may have been Nicolau Antonio. The C may have been most likely for Caetano, maybe Coelho. So, Nicolau Caetano Antonio? There is also a possiblity that the Nicolau was a surname of the father or grandfather reversed. This is seen at times in Flores families, as in this records from Lajes: José Francisco Nicolau [f.º de Nicolau de Fraga e de Maria Furtado] c.1786.09.2 Maria de Jesus [f.ª de Domingos Rodrigues Vieira e de Ana de São José]. Here is a combination of Nicolau and Antonio in the book: Nicolau António [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º de Manuel Rodrigues das Fajãs e de Rita Maria] c. 1819.09.17 c. Santa Cruz das Flores Mariana Rosa [f.ª de António Nunes e de Maria Rodrigues, e já v.ª de José de Sousa, f.º de João de Sousa Seramona e de Ana Pimentel]. Eric Edgar On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:46 AM, destinysl...@gmail.com wrote: No problem. Thanks Marcia for your thoughts. You may well be right about the birthday and I agree that the name well have been changed or rearranged in some way. I will continue to work at it and let folks know if I find anything. Reading the script in the records seems to be the biggest challenge for me. On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:08:36 AM UTC-6, Marcia wrote: Oh golly, I should have read your message all the way through before posting. Clearly you are already linked into the CCA site. If you see anything that looks possible send the page number and the parish, and let others take a look for you. Did you see any Nicholau, Nicholas, etc? On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:16:13 PM UTC-5, destin...@gmail.comwrote: Good afternoon, My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in Tennessee. I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last few years and one our greatest challenges is on the “Anthony” line since it apparently goes through the Azores. I am checking to see if anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores. All the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores. Based on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there. I have no parish or village to go by. Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT. I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?). I took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese. I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help you could provide. I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, grandparents, and other siblings if any. I am open to other suggestions on steps to take in locating this information. Thank you for your time. Ed -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
Thank you Mary and Eric for your thoughts and help. I did go ahead and buy the Kindle version of the book and it is much easier to decipher than the original records. Has anyone done this for the baptismal or birth records for Flores? I am sure the book will be of more help once I can locate the name of Nicholas's parents. Eric, I agree that the C. probably related to the mother's surname so may well be one of the names you noted. Ed Anthony On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:17:51 PM UTC-6, luiznoia wrote: I have the Casais das Flores e do Corvo book, and have searched it for clues. There's not anything jumping out as a clue here. The name Nicholas C Anthony may have been Nicolau Antonio. The C may have been most likely for Caetano, maybe Coelho. So, Nicolau Caetano Antonio? There is also a possiblity that the Nicolau was a surname of the father or grandfather reversed. This is seen at times in Flores families, as in this records from Lajes: José Francisco Nicolau [f.º de Nicolau de Fraga e de Maria Furtado] c.1786.09.2 Maria de Jesus [f.ª de Domingos Rodrigues Vieira e de Ana de São José]. Here is a combination of Nicolau and Antonio in the book: Nicolau António [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º de Manuel Rodrigues das Fajãs e de Rita Maria] c. 1819.09.17 c. Santa Cruz das Flores Mariana Rosa [f.ª de António Nunes e de Maria Rodrigues, e já v.ª de José de Sousa, f.º de João de Sousa Seramona e de Ana Pimentel]. Eric Edgar On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:46 AM, destin...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: No problem. Thanks Marcia for your thoughts. You may well be right about the birthday and I agree that the name well have been changed or rearranged in some way. I will continue to work at it and let folks know if I find anything. Reading the script in the records seems to be the biggest challenge for me. On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:08:36 AM UTC-6, Marcia wrote: Oh golly, I should have read your message all the way through before posting. Clearly you are already linked into the CCA site. If you see anything that looks possible send the page number and the parish, and let others take a look for you. Did you see any Nicholau, Nicholas, etc? On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:16:13 PM UTC-5, destin...@gmail.comwrote: Good afternoon, My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in Tennessee. I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last few years and one our greatest challenges is on the “Anthony” line since it apparently goes through the Azores. I am checking to see if anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores. All the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores. Based on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there. I have no parish or village to go by. Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT. I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?). I took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese. I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help you could provide. I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, grandparents, and other siblings if any. I am open to other suggestions on steps to take in locating this information. Thank you for your time. Ed -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
