Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson inFurnas, Sao Miguel.

[Joseph Mendonca]

Interesting. Thanks.

Joseph Mendonca

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 12:47 Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Thank you Joseph.
>
> Cheri, the book did talk 
>
> The record states the child was baptized in Madeira island in April but
> because the Santa Se parish rant out of the Holy oils, this part of the
> ceremony of baptism was performed in August in Furnas, where the couple
> also lived.  The affluent did not stay stationary in one island.  Wives did
> accompany husbands on many occasion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *September 29, 2019 12:59 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of
> grandson inFurnas, Sao Miguel.
>
>
>
> That's interesting. I wonder why. If only the books could talk.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 4:11 PM Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
> For any relatives of Thomas and Sarah Hickling, I came across the
> following baptism record of their grandson Guilherme in Furnas, Sao Miguel.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P169.html
>
>
>
>
> Looks like the actual baptism was in Madeira but was also being recorded
> in Furnas for some reason.
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson inFurnas, Sao Miguel.

[Margaret Vicente]

Thank you Joseph.
Cheri, the book did talk 
The record states the child was baptized in Madeira island in April but because 
the Santa Se parish rant out of the Holy oils, this part of the ceremony of 
baptism was performed in August in Furnas, where the couple also lived.  The 
affluent did not stay stationary in one island.  Wives did accompany husbands 
on many occasion.  
Cheers,
Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 29, 2019 12:59 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson 
inFurnas, Sao Miguel.

That's interesting. I wonder why. If only the books could talk.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 4:11 PM Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
For any relatives of Thomas and Sarah Hickling, I came across the following 
baptism record of their grandson Guilherme in Furnas, Sao Miguel.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P169.html
 

Looks like the actual baptism was in Madeira but was also being recorded in 
Furnas for some reason. 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson in Furnas, Sao Miguel.

[David Ivens]

Thank you for that find, Joseph.

I have been passively watching this thread for a few months now.

I visited Sao Miguel for the first time in July this year with a few of my 
cousins.

I am a descendant of William Ivens and Elizabeth Flora Hickling.

 

Again, my thanks

 

David Ivens (UK)

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson in 
Furnas, Sao Miguel.

 

For any relatives of Thomas and Sarah Hickling, I came across the following 
baptism record of their grandson Guilherme in Furnas, Sao Miguel.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P169.html
 

 

Looks like the actual baptism was in Madeira but was also being recorded in 
Furnas for some reason. 


 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson in Furnas, Sao Miguel.

[Cheri Mello]

That's interesting. I wonder why. If only the books could talk.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 4:11 PM Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> For any relatives of Thomas and Sarah Hickling, I came across the
> following baptism record of their grandson Guilherme in Furnas, Sao Miguel.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P169.html
>
>
> Looks like the actual baptism was in Madeira but was also being recorded
> in Furnas for some reason.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson in Furnas, Sao Miguel.

[Joseph Mendonca]

For any relatives of Thomas and Sarah Hickling, I came across the following
baptism record of their grandson Guilherme in Furnas, Sao Miguel.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P169.html


Looks like the actual baptism was in Madeira but was also being recorded in
Furnas for some reason.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

You are most welcome. I am happy that I was able to help. Have you ever visited 
his grave in Ponta Delgada? I saw it last year. It is in the Protestant 
cemetery. His grave is up front on the right hand side right near the church 
itself. I am going to ask the State Department if it could arrange for an 
American flag to be placed on his grave.  

Best regards,
John Miranda Raposo 

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 

  Repost for Andrea Braga, riwsgallery at gmail.com

Thank you John for sharing this article. I'm a direct descendant of Thomas 
Hickling through his daughter Carlota Sofia (she was my 
great-great-great-grandmother), and this is the most concise information I've 
found on him.
Andrea 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling

[Cheri Mello]

 Repost for Andrea Braga, riwsgallery at gmail.com

Thank you John for sharing this article. I'm a direct descendant of Thomas
Hickling through his daughter Carlota Sofia (she was my
great-great-great-grandmother), and this is the most concise information
I've found on him.
Andrea

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[M. Stringer]

Hi Margaret,



Followed the comprehensive responses and checked your link as well.  Always
something to learn.



Cheers,



Marsha Stringer

strin...@mstringer.net









*From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
Of *Margaret Vicente
*Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 5:43 PM
*To:* azores
*Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES
- S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada



Hi Marsha,



The Boston side is well known, there's a quite a bit about them on the
internet.  His First wife apparently died in May 23 1773 while others say
1774.



You'll find a bio on them here:



https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Greene-3914



Thank you for the offer but at this point no need to look it up, I'll keep
both dates for now.



Cheers everyone.

Margaret







On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:48 AM, M. Stringer <strin...@mstringer.net> wrote:

Hi Margaret,



Not a known person to me.  Any date ranges – to explore civil records,
newspapers, etc in/near Boston/Philadelphia?



Marsha Stringer

strin...@mstringer.net


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*To:* azores
*Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES -
S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada



Hello,



Does anyone in the list have a complete list (including deceased children)
of the well known - Thomas Hickling and of his 2nd wife Sarah Faldes? who
lived and died in Ponta Delgada, island of S. Miguel?



Mr. Hickling was from Boston, USA. His 2nd wife was from Philadelphia.
Because they were not Catholics their marriage is not in the Church
records. Hoping some savvy research may be able to help.



I'm also looking for a correct timeline of when his first wife died in
Boston.  Trying to reconcile the the two marriages.



Thank you.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Marsha,

The Boston side is well known, there's a quite a bit about them on the
internet.  His First wife apparently died in May 23 1773 while others say
1774.

You'll find a bio on them here:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Greene-3914

Thank you for the offer but at this point no need to look it up, I'll keep
both dates for now.

Cheers everyone.
Margaret



On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:48 AM, M. Stringer <strin...@mstringer.net> wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
>
>
> Not a known person to me.  Any date ranges – to explore civil records,
> newspapers, etc in/near Boston/Philadelphia?
>
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
>
> strin...@mstringer.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 9:19 AM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES -
> S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Does anyone in the list have a complete list (including deceased children)
> of the well known - Thomas Hickling and of his 2nd wife Sarah Faldes? who
> lived and died in Ponta Delgada, island of S. Miguel?
>
>
>
> Mr. Hickling was from Boston, USA. His 2nd wife was from Philadelphia.
> Because they were not Catholics their marriage is not in the Church
> records. Hoping some savvy research may be able to help.
>
>
>
> I'm also looking for a correct timeline of when his first wife died in
> Boston.  Trying to reconcile the the two marriages.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Margaret M Vicente
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[Maria Lima]

This was so fascinating and I wondered at the work you did to collect all the 
information.  It was good reading!  Thanks!

And Margaret, I'm so glad you received all this because you have always been 
right there to help me and so many of us so it's gratifying to see you received 
this information.  Makes my heart smile.  (Now the first wife left in Boston, 
never to see her husband again; that was sad; she would have loved the Azores 
you think?)

Maria Elena 

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Friday, April 28, 2017 12:19 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
> <fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you for sharing this with us! I always learn a great deal from your 
> historical postings!
> 
> Best regards,
> Nancy Jean Baptista
> From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:58:30 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - 
> S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada
>  
> Actually, Marilyn, you probably do but just haven't found him/her yet. Keep 
> digging.
> 
> John Miranda Raposo
> 
> 
> On Friday, April 28, 2017 11:46 AM, Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you John for this wonderful and informative article. I wish I had 
> someone important enough to have such a rich history of their lives.
> 
> Call me green with envy
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> John, 
> 
> Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.  
> 
> May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with 
> having all this background on the family?
> 
> Thank you so much!
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Margaret,
> 
> This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
> 
> Yankee Azoreans
>  
>  
> John Miranda Raposo
>  
>  
> This is not a work about the thousands of immigrants who have come to New 
> England from the nine islands of the Azores. Rather, this work is primarily 
> concerned with the descendants of Thomas Hickling, a Boston Yankee who 
> settled on São Miguel and became the patriarch of a large clan on both sides 
> of the Atlantic.
>  
> Thomas Hickling was born in Boston on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant 
> family of  William Hickling of Nottingham, England and Sarah Townsend Sale. 
> At the age of eighteen, his father arranged an apprenticeship for him with 
> the prosperous Green brothers and in 1764 he married their sister, Sarah 
> Emily Green, fifteen years his senior, in Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] 
> There is some speculation that it was a marriage of convenience, arranged 
> either for social or economic reasons, or both. In any event Hickling 
> fulfilled his marital duty becoming the father of two children by his first 
> wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 1768 and William Green 
> Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his family and located to 
> the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped back to his 
> father's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been an enterprising sort, for 
> he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azores because in 1769 be 
> was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned to America and 
> never lived anywhere else.
>  
> He became one of the principal developers of the orange trade, the export of 
> oranges to England, which became the basis for the colossal fortunes of many 
> of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid for the construction of 
> many a palácio, those grand manor houses with their lovely English and French 
> gardens still seen throughout the island. In 1820 Hickling exported nearly 
> 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 crates of lemons from Ponta Delgada. But 
> the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 11,000 crates.[3] 
> At the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges produced in São Miguel 
> were exported.  But the Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" were 
> brought to financial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade 
> came to an end, victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 
> 1834, again in 1860 and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of 
> the century. The financial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for 
> these "gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no lon

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[Liz Migliori]

Amazing dedication 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Margaret,
> 
> This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
> 
> Yankee Azoreans
>  
>  
> John Miranda Raposo
>  
>  
> This is not a work about the thousands of immigrants who have come to New 
> England from the nine islands of the Azores. Rather, this work is primarily 
> concerned with the descendants of Thomas Hickling, a Boston Yankee who 
> settled on São Miguel and became the patriarch of a large clan on both sides 
> of the Atlantic.
>  
> Thomas Hickling was born in Boston on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant 
> family of  William Hickling of Nottingham, England and Sarah Townsend Sale. 
> At the age of eighteen, his father arranged an apprenticeship for him with 
> the prosperous Green brothers and in 1764 he married their sister, Sarah 
> Emily Green, fifteen years his senior, in Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] 
> There is some speculation that it was a marriage of convenience, arranged 
> either for social or economic reasons, or both. In any event Hickling 
> fulfilled his marital duty becoming the father of two children by his first 
> wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 1768 and William Green 
> Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his family and located to 
> the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped back to his 
> father's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been an enterprising sort, for 
> he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azores because in 1769 be 
> was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned to America and 
> never lived anywhere else.
>  
> He became one of the principal developers of the orange trade, the export of 
> oranges to England, which became the basis for the colossal fortunes of many 
> of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid for the construction of 
> many a palácio, those grand manor houses with their lovely English and French 
> gardens still seen throughout the island. In 1820 Hickling exported nearly 
> 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 crates of lemons from Ponta Delgada. But 
> the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 11,000 crates.[3] 
> At the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges produced in São Miguel 
> were exported.  But the Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" were 
> brought to financial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade 
> came to an end, victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 
> 1834, again in 1860 and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of 
> the century. The financial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for 
> these "gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the upkeep on 
> their  lovely homes and gardens. Many can still be seen in the suburbs 
> surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a silent 
> witness to both the greatness and the misery of the age.[4]
>  
> News traveled slowly and it must have been months before Hickling learned 
> that Sarah Green, the wife he had last seen twelve years earlier, had died in 
> Boston in May of 1774. He could not have mourned her death very much for not 
> long after, in February 1778,  the young widower married Suzanne Sarah Falder 
> of Philadelphia, fifteen years his junior. It must have been love at first 
> sight since the young Sarah just happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada 
> in the company of her father, Thomas Falder. Between the time of their 
> marriage and 1808 they produced 16 children, all born in São Miguel, 
> including two sets of twins.[5] Thus, came into being the first generation of 
> Yankee Azoreans.
>  
> Throughout his lifetime on São Miguel, the Protestant Hickling was very 
> ecumenical; whenever a Protestant minister was unavailable at the frequent 
> arrivals of new Hicklings, he had them baptized in the Catholic Church.[6]
>  
> In 1776 Thomas Hickling was appointed American Vice Consul in Ponta Delgada, 
> a post he held until his death some fifty years later. Hickling became 
> socially prominent and popular for his sincerity and friendliness. His 
> diplomatic and social positions on the island made him a natural good will 
> ambassador who often received and entertained visiting foreigners. Over the 
> years his business ventures made him a fabulously wealthy man and he built 
> three magnificent estates on the island. In 1792 he was living on Rua da 
> Misericórdia. His first manor house with a curved northern side and curved 
> outer steps leading to what must have been a magnificent lawn, was built in 
> Rosto do Cão in the parish of São Roque on the outskirts of Ponta Delgada.[7] 
>  In 1812 he began building the Palácio de São Pedro. Built in the Georgian 
> colonial style, it cost Hickling nearly $30,000.00, a huge fortune at the 
> time and it was considered the grandest private residence 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[M. Stringer]

Hi Margaret,



Not a known person to me.  Any date ranges – to explore civil records,
newspapers, etc in/near Boston/Philadelphia?



Marsha Stringer

strin...@mstringer.net


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Of *Margaret Vicente
*Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 9:19 AM
*To:* azores
*Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES -
S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada



Hello,



Does anyone in the list have a complete list (including deceased children)
of the well known - Thomas Hickling and of his 2nd wife Sarah Faldes? who
lived and died in Ponta Delgada, island of S. Miguel?



Mr. Hickling was from Boston, USA. His 2nd wife was from Philadelphia.
Because they were not Catholics their marriage is not in the Church
records. Hoping some savvy research may be able to help.



I'm also looking for a correct timeline of when his first wife died in
Boston.  Trying to reconcile the the two marriages.



Thank you.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks!
John
 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 12:19 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
<fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

 #yiv7901047842 #yiv7901047842 --p 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv7901047842 Thank you for sharing this with 
us! I always learn a great deal from your historical postings!
Best regards,Nancy Jean BaptistaFrom: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:58:30 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. 
Miguel - Ponta Delgada Actually, Marilyn, you probably do but just haven't 
found him/her yet. Keep digging.
John Miranda Raposo


On Friday, April 28, 2017 11:46 AM, Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:


Thank you John for this wonderful and informative article. I wish I had someone 
important enough to have such a rich history of their lives.
Call me green with envy
Marilyn
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Margaret Vicente<margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

John, 
Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.  
May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with 
having all this background on the family?
Thank you so much!
Margaret




On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores 
Genealogy<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Margaret,
This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
Yankee Azoreans  John Miranda Raposo  This is not a work about the thousands of 
immigrants who have come to New England from the nine islands of the Azores. 
Rather, this work is primarily concerned with the descendants of Thomas 
Hickling, a Boston Yankee who settled on São Miguel and became the patriarch of 
a large clan on both sides of the Atlantic. Thomas Hickling was born in Boston 
on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant family of William Hickling of 
Nottingham, England and Sarah Townsend Sale. At the age of eighteen, his father 
arranged an apprenticeship for him with the prosperous Green brothers and in 
1764 he married their sister, Sarah Emily Green, fifteen years his senior, in 
Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] There is some speculation that it was a 
marriage of convenience, arranged either for social or economic reasons, or 
both. In any event Hickling fulfilled his marital duty becoming the father of 
two children by his first wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 
1768 and William Green Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his 
family and located to the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he 
shipped back to his father's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been an 
enterprising sort, for he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azores 
because in 1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned 
to America and never lived anywhere else. He became one of the principal 
developers of the orange trade, the export of oranges to England, which became 
the basis for the colossal fortunes of many of São Miguel's socially prominent 
families and paid for the construction of many apalácio, those grand manor 
houses with their lovely English and French gardens still seen throughout the 
island. In 1820 Hickling exported nearly 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 
crates of lemons from Ponta Delgada. But the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & 
Burnett exported over 11,000 crates.[3] At the height of the orange age 93% of 
the oranges produced in São Miguel were exported.  But the Hicklings and many 
other "gentlemen farmers" were brought to financial ruin at the end of the 
century when the orange trade came to an end, victim of a blight that first 
attacked the orange groves in 1834, again in 1860 and finally destroyed the 
remaining groves at the end of the century. The financial ruin resulted in a 
reduced standard of living for these "gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no 
longer afford the upkeep on their lovely homes and gardens. Many can still be 
seen in the suburbs surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa, their dilapidated 
state a silent witness to both the greatness and the misery of the age.[4] News 
traveled slowly and it must have been months before Hickling learned that Sarah 
Green, the wife he had last seen twelve years earlier, had died in Boston in 
May of 1774. He could not have mourned her death very much for not long after, 
in February 1778, the young widower married Suzanne Sarah Falder of 
Philadelphia, fifteen years his junior. It must have been love at first sight 
since the young Sarah just happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada in the 
company of her father, Thomas Falder. Between the time of their marriage and 
1808 they produced 16 children, all born in São Miguel, including two sets of 
twins.[5] Thus, came into being the first generation of Yankee Azoreans. 
Throughout his lifetime on São Miguel, the Protestant Hickling was very 
ecumenical; whenever a Protestant min

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you for sharing this with us! I always learn a great deal from your 
historical postings!


Best regards,

Nancy Jean Baptista


From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:58:30 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. 
Miguel - Ponta Delgada

Actually, Marilyn, you probably do but just haven't found him/her yet. Keep 
digging.

John Miranda Raposo


On Friday, April 28, 2017 11:46 AM, Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:


Thank you John for this wonderful and informative article. I wish I had someone 
important enough to have such a rich history of their lives.

Call me green with envy

Marilyn

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Margaret Vicente 
<margaretvice...@gmail.com<mailto:margaretvice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
John,

Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.

May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with 
having all this background on the family?

Thank you so much!

Margaret





On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Margaret,

This is from an article I wrote many years ago.

Yankee Azoreans


John Miranda Raposo


This is not a work about the thousands of immigrants who have come to New 
England from the nine islands of the Azores. Rather, this work is primarily 
concerned with the descendants of Thomas Hickling, a Boston Yankee who settled 
on São Miguel and became the patriarch of a large clan on both sides of the 
Atlantic.

Thomas Hickling was born in Boston on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant 
family of  William Hickling of Nottingham, England and Sarah Townsend Sale. At 
the age of eighteen, his father arranged an apprenticeship for him with the 
prosperous Green brothers and in 1764 he married their sister, Sarah Emily 
Green, fifteen years his senior, in Boston's old Trinity 
Church.[1]<https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=8hm7pjej0es4g#_ftn1> 
There is some speculation that it was a marriage of convenience, arranged 
either for social or economic reasons, or both. In any event Hickling fulfilled 
his marital duty becoming the father of two children by his first wife. 
Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 1768 and William Green Hickling 
was born in 1765. Their father soon left his family and located to the 
Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped back to his father's 
distillery in 
Boston.[2]<https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=8hm7pjej0es4g#_ftn2> He 
must have been an enterprising sort, for he perceived the commercial 
possibilities in the Azores because in 1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada. 
Thomas Hickling never returned to America and never lived anywhere else.

He became one of the principal developers of the orange trade, the export of 
oranges to England, which became the basis for the colossal fortunes of many of 
São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid for the construction of many 
a palácio, those grand manor houses with their lovely English and French 
gardens still seen throughout the island. In 1820 Hickling exported nearly 
5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 crates of lemons from Ponta Delgada. But the 
firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 11,000 
crates.[3]<https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=8hm7pjej0es4g#_ftn3> At 
the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges produced in São Miguel were 
exported.  But the Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" were brought to 
financial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade came to an end, 
victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 1834, again in 1860 
and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of the century. The 
financial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for these "gentlemen 
farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the upkeep on their  lovely homes 
and gardens. Many can still be seen in the suburbs surrounding Ponta Delgada 
and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a silent witness to both the greatness and 
the misery of the 
age.[4]<https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=8hm7pjej0es4g#_ftn4>

News traveled slowly and it must have been months before Hickling learned that 
Sarah Green, the wife he had last seen twelve years earlier, had died in Boston 
in May of 1774. He could not have mourned her death very much for not long 
after, in February 1778,  the young widower married Suzanne Sarah Falder of 
Philadelphia, fifteen years his junior. It must have been love at first sight 
since the young Sarah just happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada in the 
company of her father, Thomas Falder. Between the time of their marriage and 
1808 they produced 16 children, all born in São

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Actually, Marilyn, you probably do but just haven't found him/her yet. Keep 
digging.
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 11:46 AM, Marilyn Thompson  
wrote:
 

 Thank you John for this wonderful and informative article. I wish I had 
someone important enough to have such a rich history of their lives.
Call me green with envy
Marilyn
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Margaret Vicente  
wrote:

John, 
Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.  
May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with 
having all this background on the family?
Thank you so much!
Margaret




On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:

Margaret,
This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
Yankee Azoreans  John Miranda Raposo  This is not a work about the thousands of 
immigrants whohave come to New England from the nine islands of the 
Azores.Rather, this work is primarily concerned with the descendants of 
ThomasHickling, a Boston Yankee who settled on São Miguel and became the 
patriarch ofa large clan on both sides of the Atlantic. Thomas Hickling was 
born in Bostonon 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant family of  William 
Hickling of Nottingham, Englandand Sarah Townsend Sale. At the age of eighteen, 
his father arranged anapprenticeship for him with the prosperous Green brothers 
and in 1764 hemarried their sister, Sarah Emily Green, fifteen years his 
senior, in Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] There is some speculationthat it was 
a marriage of convenience, arranged either for social or economicreasons, or 
both. In any event Hickling fulfilled his marital duty becoming thefather of 
two children by his first wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 
1768 and WilliamGreen Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his 
family and locatedto the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped 
back to hisfather's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been anenterprising 
sort, for he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azoresbecause in 
1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned to America 
andnever lived anywhere else. He became one of the principal developers of the 
orangetrade, the export of oranges to England,which became the basis for the 
colossal fortunes of many of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid 
for the constructionof many a palácio, those grand manorhouses with their 
lovely English and French gardens still seen throughout theisland. In 1820 
Hickling exported nearly 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000crates of lemons from 
Ponta Delgada.But the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 
11,000crates.[3] At the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges producedin 
São Miguel were exported.  Butthe Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" 
were brought tofinancial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade 
came to an end,victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 
1834, again in 1860and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of the 
century. Thefinancial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for 
these"gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the upkeepon 
their  lovely homes and gardens. Manycan still be seen in the suburbs 
surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a silent witness 
toboth the greatness and the misery of the age.[4] News traveled slowly and it 
must have been months beforeHickling learned that Sarah Green, the wife he had 
last seen twelve yearsearlier, had died in Bostonin May of 1774. He could not 
have mourned her death very much for not longafter, in February 1778,  the 
youngwidower married Suzanne Sarah Falder of Philadelphia,fifteen years his 
junior. It must have been love at first sight since the youngSarah just 
happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada in the company of her father, 
Thomas Falder.Between the time of their marriage and 1808 they produced 16 
children, all bornin São Miguel, including two sets of twins.[5] Thus, came 
into being thefirst generation of Yankee Azoreans. Throughout his lifetime on 
São Miguel,the Protestant Hickling was very ecumenical; whenever a Protestant 
minister wasunavailable at the frequent arrivals of new Hicklings, he had them 
baptized in theCatholic Church.[6] In 1776 Thomas Hickling was appointed 
American Vice Consulin Ponta Delgada,a post he held until his death some fifty 
years later. Hickling became sociallyprominent and popular for his sincerity 
and friendliness. His diplomatic andsocial positions on the island made him a 
natural good will ambassador whooften received and entertained visiting 
foreigners. Over the years his businessventures made him a fabulously wealthy 
man and he built three magnificentestates on the island. In 1792 he was living 
on Rua da Misericórdia. His 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[Marilyn Thompson]

Thank you John for this wonderful and informative article. I wish I had
someone important enough to have such a rich history of their lives.

Call me green with envy

Marilyn

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> John,
>
> Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.
>
> May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with
> having all this background on the family?
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Margaret,
>>
>> This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
>>
>> Yankee Azoreans
>>
>>
>> John Miranda Raposo
>>
>>
>> This is not a work about the thousands of immigrants who have come to New
>> England from the nine islands of the Azores. Rather, this work is primarily
>> concerned with the descendants of Thomas Hickling, a Boston Yankee who
>> settled on São Miguel and became the patriarch of a large clan on both
>> sides of the Atlantic.
>>
>> Thomas Hickling was born in Boston on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous
>> merchant family of  William Hickling of Nottingham, England and Sarah
>> Townsend Sale. At the age of eighteen, his father arranged an
>> apprenticeship for him with the prosperous Green brothers and in 1764 he
>> married their sister, Sarah Emily Green, fifteen years his senior, in
>> Boston's old Trinity Church.[1]
>>  There
>> is some speculation that it was a marriage of convenience, arranged either
>> for social or economic reasons, or both. In any event Hickling fulfilled
>> his marital duty becoming the father of two children by his first wife.
>> Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 1768 and William Green
>> Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his family and located to
>> the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped back to his
>> father's distillery in Boston.[2]
>>  He must
>> have been an enterprising sort, for he perceived the commercial
>> possibilities in the Azores because in 1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada.
>> Thomas Hickling never returned to America and never lived anywhere else.
>>
>> He became one of the principal developers of the orange trade, the export
>> of oranges to England, which became the basis for the colossal fortunes of
>> many of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid for the
>> construction of many a *palácio*, those grand manor houses with their
>> lovely English and French gardens still seen throughout the island. In 1820
>> Hickling exported nearly 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 crates of lemons
>> from Ponta Delgada. But the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett
>> exported over 11,000 crates.[3]
>>  At the
>> height of the *orange age *93% of the oranges produced in São Miguel
>> were exported.  But the Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers"
>> were brought to financial ruin at the end of the century when the orange
>> trade came to an end, victim of a blight that first attacked the orange
>> groves in 1834, again in 1860 and finally destroyed the remaining groves at
>> the end of the century. The financial ruin resulted in a reduced standard
>> of living for these "gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer
>> afford the upkeep on their  lovely homes and gardens. Many can still be
>> seen in the suburbs surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their
>> dilapidated state a silent witness to both the greatness and the misery of
>> the age.[4]
>> 
>>
>> News traveled slowly and it must have been months before Hickling learned
>> that Sarah Green, the wife he had last seen twelve years earlier, had died
>> in Boston in May of 1774. He could not have mourned her death very much for
>> not long after, in February 1778,  the young widower married Suzanne
>> Sarah Falder of Philadelphia, fifteen years his junior. It must have been
>> love at first sight since the young Sarah just happened to be passing
>> through Ponta Delgada in the company of her father, Thomas Falder. Between
>> the time of their marriage and 1808 they produced 16 children, all born in
>> São Miguel, including two sets of twins.[5]
>>  Thus,
>> came into being the first generation of Yankee Azoreans.
>>
>> Throughout his lifetime on São Miguel, the Protestant Hickling was very
>> ecumenical; whenever a Protestant minister was unavailable at the frequent
>> arrivals of new Hicklings, he had them baptized in the Catholic Church.
>> [6] 
>>
>> In 1776 Thomas Hickling was appointed American Vice Consul in Ponta
>> Delgada, a post he 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[Margaret Vicente]

John,

Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.

May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with
having all this background on the family?

Thank you so much!

Margaret





On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
>
> Yankee Azoreans
>
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
> This is not a work about the thousands of immigrants who have come to New
> England from the nine islands of the Azores. Rather, this work is primarily
> concerned with the descendants of Thomas Hickling, a Boston Yankee who
> settled on São Miguel and became the patriarch of a large clan on both
> sides of the Atlantic.
>
> Thomas Hickling was born in Boston on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous
> merchant family of  William Hickling of Nottingham, England and Sarah
> Townsend Sale. At the age of eighteen, his father arranged an
> apprenticeship for him with the prosperous Green brothers and in 1764 he
> married their sister, Sarah Emily Green, fifteen years his senior, in
> Boston's old Trinity Church.[1]
>  There is
> some speculation that it was a marriage of convenience, arranged either for
> social or economic reasons, or both. In any event Hickling fulfilled his
> marital duty becoming the father of two children by his first wife.
> Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 1768 and William Green
> Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his family and located to
> the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped back to his
> father's distillery in Boston.[2]
>  He must
> have been an enterprising sort, for he perceived the commercial
> possibilities in the Azores because in 1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada.
> Thomas Hickling never returned to America and never lived anywhere else.
>
> He became one of the principal developers of the orange trade, the export
> of oranges to England, which became the basis for the colossal fortunes of
> many of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid for the
> construction of many a *palácio*, those grand manor houses with their
> lovely English and French gardens still seen throughout the island. In 1820
> Hickling exported nearly 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 crates of lemons
> from Ponta Delgada. But the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett
> exported over 11,000 crates.[3]
>  At the
> height of the *orange age *93% of the oranges produced in São Miguel were
> exported.  But the Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" were
> brought to financial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade
> came to an end, victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in
> 1834, again in 1860 and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end
> of the century. The financial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living
> for these "gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the
> upkeep on their  lovely homes and gardens. Many can still be seen in the
> suburbs surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a
> silent witness to both the greatness and the misery of the age.[4]
> 
>
> News traveled slowly and it must have been months before Hickling learned
> that Sarah Green, the wife he had last seen twelve years earlier, had died
> in Boston in May of 1774. He could not have mourned her death very much for
> not long after, in February 1778,  the young widower married Suzanne
> Sarah Falder of Philadelphia, fifteen years his junior. It must have been
> love at first sight since the young Sarah just happened to be passing
> through Ponta Delgada in the company of her father, Thomas Falder. Between
> the time of their marriage and 1808 they produced 16 children, all born in
> São Miguel, including two sets of twins.[5]
>  Thus,
> came into being the first generation of Yankee Azoreans.
>
> Throughout his lifetime on São Miguel, the Protestant Hickling was very
> ecumenical; whenever a Protestant minister was unavailable at the frequent
> arrivals of new Hicklings, he had them baptized in the Catholic Church.[6]
> 
>
> In 1776 Thomas Hickling was appointed American Vice Consul in Ponta
> Delgada, a post he held until his death some fifty years later. Hickling
> became socially prominent and popular for his sincerity and friendliness.
> His diplomatic and social positions on the island made him a natural good
> will ambassador who often received and entertained visiting foreigners.
> Over the years his business ventures made him a fabulously wealthy man and
> he built 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Margaret,
This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
Yankee Azoreans  John Miranda Raposo  This is not a work about the thousands of 
immigrants whohave come to New England from the nine islands of the 
Azores.Rather, this work is primarily concerned with the descendants of 
ThomasHickling, a Boston Yankee who settled on São Miguel and became the 
patriarch ofa large clan on both sides of the Atlantic. Thomas Hickling was 
born in Bostonon 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant family of  William 
Hickling of Nottingham, Englandand Sarah Townsend Sale. At the age of eighteen, 
his father arranged anapprenticeship for him with the prosperous Green brothers 
and in 1764 hemarried their sister, Sarah Emily Green, fifteen years his 
senior, in Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] There is some speculationthat it was 
a marriage of convenience, arranged either for social or economicreasons, or 
both. In any event Hickling fulfilled his marital duty becoming thefather of 
two children by his first wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 
1768 and WilliamGreen Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his 
family and locatedto the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped 
back to hisfather's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been anenterprising 
sort, for he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azoresbecause in 
1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned to America 
andnever lived anywhere else. He became one of the principal developers of the 
orangetrade, the export of oranges to England,which became the basis for the 
colossal fortunes of many of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid 
for the constructionof many a palácio, those grand manorhouses with their 
lovely English and French gardens still seen throughout theisland. In 1820 
Hickling exported nearly 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000crates of lemons from 
Ponta Delgada.But the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 
11,000crates.[3] At the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges producedin 
São Miguel were exported.  Butthe Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" 
were brought tofinancial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade 
came to an end,victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 
1834, again in 1860and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of the 
century. Thefinancial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for 
these"gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the upkeepon 
their  lovely homes and gardens. Manycan still be seen in the suburbs 
surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a silent witness 
toboth the greatness and the misery of the age.[4] News traveled slowly and it 
must have been months beforeHickling learned that Sarah Green, the wife he had 
last seen twelve yearsearlier, had died in Bostonin May of 1774. He could not 
have mourned her death very much for not longafter, in February 1778,  the 
youngwidower married Suzanne Sarah Falder of Philadelphia,fifteen years his 
junior. It must have been love at first sight since the youngSarah just 
happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada in the company of her father, 
Thomas Falder.Between the time of their marriage and 1808 they produced 16 
children, all bornin São Miguel, including two sets of twins.[5] Thus, came 
into being thefirst generation of Yankee Azoreans. Throughout his lifetime on 
São Miguel,the Protestant Hickling was very ecumenical; whenever a Protestant 
minister wasunavailable at the frequent arrivals of new Hicklings, he had them 
baptized in theCatholic Church.[6] In 1776 Thomas Hickling was appointed 
American Vice Consulin Ponta Delgada,a post he held until his death some fifty 
years later. Hickling became sociallyprominent and popular for his sincerity 
and friendliness. His diplomatic andsocial positions on the island made him a 
natural good will ambassador whooften received and entertained visiting 
foreigners. Over the years his businessventures made him a fabulously wealthy 
man and he built three magnificentestates on the island. In 1792 he was living 
on Rua da Misericórdia. His first manor house with a curved northernside and 
curved outer steps leading to what must have been a magnificent lawn,was built 
in Rosto do Cão in the parish of São Roque on the outskirts of PontaDelgada.[7] 
 In 1812 he began building the Palácio de São Pedro. Built in theGeorgian 
colonial style, it cost Hickling nearly $30,000.00, a huge fortune atthe time 
and it was considered the grandest private residence on the islandwell into the 
second half of the 19th century.[8] It still stands today atthe water's edge in 
the eastern end of Ponta Delgada as the Hotel São Pedro,the grand dame of 
hotels, lovinglypreserved and filled with period furniture, by its late 
proprietor, VascoBensaúde. But it is Hickling’s TerraNostra park and botanical 
gardens in Furnas that stands as a 

[AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello,

Does anyone in the list have a complete list (including deceased children)
of the well known - Thomas Hickling and of his 2nd wife Sarah Faldes? who
lived and died in Ponta Delgada, island of S. Miguel?

Mr. Hickling was from Boston, USA. His 2nd wife was from Philadelphia.
Because they were not Catholics their marriage is not in the Church
records. Hoping some savvy research may be able to help.

I'm also looking for a correct timeline of when his first wife died in
Boston.  Trying to reconcile the the two marriages.

Thank you.

-- 
Margaret M Vicente

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