Yes. I guess I’m confused so I will stay with my terminology when I talk to the
people I work with because I know what I mean and can illustrate what I mean to
them so we speaking about the same thing.
But I may have been applied the term correctly in one case. There are two line
in my tree where cousins marry their cousins over several generations. One
line is from Altares/Raminho, Terceira. My maternal grandfather’s brother
married his maternal 1st cousin. His other brother married an paternal 2nd
cousin. Their parents were first cousins. This is why I have been working with
others with connections from these two villages because we several difference
ways. It was only once I started working wide in the tree (which may be the
same thing as robust) is when the connections where easier to locate. I wonder
if this would be a correct use of the term?
The line other is from Ribeirinha, Terceira but I have not been working that
closely with people on this lines. I do not think it would be what you
mentioned, endogamy. There are several connections but not that close (my
paternal grandparents were at least twice 4th cousins, many cases of siblings
marrying other a set of siblings but that is not cousins marrying and cousins
marrying into the same family but again that is not cousins marrying cousins).
Several people who are related to me through both lines already see the
difference. We work together to locate the connections and often we are
building much more detailed trees with better documentation. I think everyone
benefits from our shared work. I believe it is cutting down on errors or
misinformation being passed along. I think everyone who researches these two
villages in the future will benefit from our work. Maybe once the Altares
group has completed more work/connections maybe I can attempt to start
something with my RIbeirinha lines. But this too may be off the topic too.
Thanks for your explanation,
Doreen
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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:27 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A DNA Success Story
Endogamy isn't as simple as "cousins marrying." Many people completely
misunderstand that explanation. They find that their John Smith marries his
first cousin, Jane Jones, and they state "I have endogamy in my tree!" Uh, no
they don't. They have a cousin marriage. Those of us who come from truly
endogamous populations have to keep explaining this over and over. Endogamy is
when a person has MANY ancestors marrying cousins, causing one to be related to
various cousins in multiple ways.
Any good, fully-featured genealogy program would show this for endogamy:
That's just ONE cousin example. I could pick another cousin (not the sibling,
not her first cousin), but basically close my eyes and blindly pick another
cousin and get something similar. A cousin marriage would have just shown the
4C1R and clicking the Progenitors button to locate the couple in my program
would show they are first cousins. So I now state that it's being related to
"multiple people in multiple ways." It seems to be a thing in genealogy now
where people want to be something else. Many Americans try to claim Cherokee
(as if there is no other tribe in America). And now with DNA, people are trying
to claim endogamy. When Kalani Mondoy, the Hawaiian Polynesian DNA Admin, and I
go to DNA meetings or man DNA education tables, we generally have to go over
the difference between a "cousin marriage" and what really is endogamy. We wish
people would quit using "cousin marriage" as the definition for endogamy. It's
not a cousin marriage.
As I mentioned, "robust tree" is how genetic genealogists refer to researching
their family genealogy. It's the collateral lines and bringing them FORWARD.
When I first got into genealogy in the early 90s, I took a class. We were
taught that proper genealogy was to research your ancestral couple (name, date,
place and birth, marriage, death), get ALL their kids (same pieces of
information), and then get ALL the grandkids (same pieces of information). So
basically come forward to the 1st cousin level from an ancestral couple. With
DNA connecting us to more of our 2nd, 3rd, and beyond cousins, we are having to
bring our trees a little further forward in time, trying to collect the great
and even 2 greats of our ancestral couple. Coming forward in time with as many
lines as you can is a robust tree. It's not the number lines or the amount of
people. It's bringing as many of your lines forward in time as you can.
Pedigree collapse is when you find you don't have to research a particular line
because you have already researched it because it's being repeated due to
cousins marrying. So you don't need to research it back in time. It's already
done. Pedigree collapse is researching BACKWARDS. You're kinda morphing
pedigre