RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Hi Diane, On my Pereira side from Velas my gggrandmother, Isabel de Jesus, had her last child when in her 50'sshe had 11 or 12 children. I don't have all my records with me now since I'm in Pico, but I remember being amazed at the time at how old she was when giving birth the final time. I have 2 friends who had their 1st and only babies at 42. My mom and I were pregnant at the same timeI was 19 and she was 43. My brother and my son could be twins! Many very fertile women! Nancy Jean Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? From: eliseuman...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:43:13 + To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi,The age of Maria de Ávila is 75. No doubt about this. She made her daughter Catarina Dutra her universal heir with some obligations. Eliseu Pacheco da Silva No dia 25/06/2014, às 00:39, Diane George escreveu: Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 43 also. I also can't figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria would fit from the four listed. Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. DIane From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vasconcelos Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi Diane,For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think.John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George wrote:Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or "o Cabaco". I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband's name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can't read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn't born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.htmlI am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don't know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group&
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Hi, The age of Maria de Ávila is 75. No doubt about this. She made her daughter Catarina Dutra her universal heir with some obligations. Eliseu Pacheco da Silva No dia 25/06/2014, às 00:39, Diane George escreveu: > Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was > 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his > mother was 43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism > record for a Maria would fit from the four listed. > > Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. > > DIane > > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > John Vasconcelos > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM > To: azores > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? > > Hi Diane, > For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister > was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think. > John Vasconcelos > > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George wrote: > Hi, > > I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, > married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my > 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for > Maria at > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html > (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria > at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death > record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina > Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. > > The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage > tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her > last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for > the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de > Avila is at > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html > I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria > since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she > decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does > have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. > It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. > > I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can > search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the > these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which > appears to be her language. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Diane George > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Thank you for the information. I believe I am a descendant of Pedro Dutra Alvernas and Maria Correia. I will send you more information to your email address. Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:56 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi Diane, I'm also from this line, as I descend from Pedro Dutra Alvernas and Maria Correia (the Dutra in my name today is from him). This Pedro Dutra Alvernas is also Known as cabaço, and he is probably the son of Pedro Dutra Alvernas (also known as Pedro Utra) married to Maria de Ávila. I have not found the marriage record for Pedro Dutra Alvernas, the son, to Maria Correia. His death is the second in the left: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782_item1/P69.html I wonder which son or daughter you descend from. The information I have on Pedro Dutra Alvernaz and Maria de Ávila is from "Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas, vol.I, p.811, de Jorge Forjaz e Atonio Ornelas Mendes.": "Maria de Ávila, n. em 1647 e f. em Castelo Branco a 1.2.1722. C.c. Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, b. em Castelo Branco a 3.7.1650 e f. em Castelo Branco a 9.11.1705, filho de Amaro de Almança e de Isabel de Alvernaz." It means she was born in 1647 e died in 1 fev 1722. Married to Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, baptized in 3 jun 1650, died in 9 nov 1705, son of Amaro de Almança and Isabel de Alvernaz. I hope it helps, Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto 2014-06-24 21:39 GMT-03:00 Diane George mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com> >: Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria would fit from the four listed. Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. DIane From: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of John Vasconcelos Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi Diane, For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com> > wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving e
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Hi Diane, I'm also from this line, as I descend from Pedro Dutra Alvernas and Maria Correia (the Dutra in my name today is from him). This Pedro Dutra Alvernas is also Known as cabaço, and he is probably the son of Pedro Dutra Alvernas (also known as Pedro Utra) married to Maria de Ávila. I have not found the marriage record for Pedro Dutra Alvernas, the son, to Maria Correia. His death is the second in the left: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782_item1/P69.html I wonder which son or daughter you descend from. The information I have on Pedro Dutra Alvernaz and Maria de Ávila is from "Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas, vol.I, p.811, de Jorge Forjaz e Atonio Ornelas Mendes.": "Maria de Ávila, n. em 1647 e f. em Castelo Branco a 1.2.1722. C.c. Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, b. em Castelo Branco a 3.7.1650 e f. em Castelo Branco a 9.11.1705, filho de Amaro de Almança e de Isabel de Alvernaz." It means she was born in 1647 e died in 1 fev 1722. Married to Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, baptized in 3 jun 1650, died in 9 nov 1705, son of Amaro de Almança and Isabel de Alvernaz. I hope it helps, Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto 2014-06-24 21:39 GMT-03:00 Diane George : > Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was > 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his > mother was 43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism > record for a Maria would fit from the four listed. > > > > Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. > > > > DIane > > > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *John Vasconcelos > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM > *To:* azores > > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? > > > > Hi Diane, > > For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my > sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you > might think. > > John Vasconcelos > > > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de > Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they > are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death > record for Maria at > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html > (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria > at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death > record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina > Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. > > > > The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage > tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and > her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 > for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria > de Avila is at > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html > > I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria > since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she > decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she > does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in > 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. > > > > I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I > can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with > the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese > which appears to be her language. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Diane George > > > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria would fit from the four listed. Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. DIane From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vasconcelos Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi Diane, For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com> > wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
I should have also stated that it's not the same woman if she was really 38 and 54 for those births.It would have to be a younger lady - probably 10 years younger.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? From: <p...@dholmes.com> Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 5:36 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi John,What caught my attention was the age of 54 for having a child. If it's even possible, it must be extremely rare.And so I agree it's unlikely. So if this were my own family, I would highly question these findings and resolve it completely before proceeding. I'm willing to bet it's not the same lady for both births and that's an easy bet.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= -------- Original Message ---- Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? From: John Vasconcelos <gfsjo...@gmail.com> Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 5:31 pm To: azores <azores@googlegroups.com> Hi Diane,For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think.John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George <digeorg...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Hi John,What caught my attention was the age of 54 for having a child. If it's even possible, it must be extremely rare.And so I agree it's unlikely. So if this were my own family, I would highly question these findings and resolve it completely before proceeding. I'm willing to bet it's not the same lady for both births and that's an easy bet.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message ---- Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? From: John Vasconcelos <gfsjo...@gmail.com> Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 5:31 pm To: azores <azores@googlegroups.com> Hi Diane,For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think.John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George <digeorg...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Hi Diane, For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George wrote: > Hi, > > > > I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de > Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they > are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death > record for Maria at > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html > (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria > at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death > record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina > Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. > > > > The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage > tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and > her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 > for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria > de Avila is at > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html > > I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria > since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she > decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she > does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in > 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. > > > > I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I > can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with > the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese > which appears to be her language. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Diane George > > > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
85 years old On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George wrote: > Hi, > > > > I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de > Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they > are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death > record for Maria at > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html > (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria > at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death > record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina > Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. > > > > The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage > tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and > her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 > for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria > de Avila is at > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html > > I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria > since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she > decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she > does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in > 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. > > > > I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I > can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with > the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese > which appears to be her language. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Diane George > > > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
