Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial
Thank you Margaret. I went to the birth records for Ribieras, Pico and finally found her record; she was born in 1722 which made her 46 at the time of her death - certainly a far cry from 60! http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731_item1/P205.html Right side, top. Again, thank you for your help. On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:55:22 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, Death date reads Sep. 2nd 1768. Age 60 years old more or less. Notice he writes more or less because the age entered is not verified and you will need to look up her birth record within the timeframe above as a start and work it backwards. I've found gaps of 10 years in some of my records. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net javascript: wrote: Below is the link for the obitos of Isabel do Rozario (top, left page) I know she was married to Joze Sylveira and died September 2nd??, 1768. The main question that I have is her age at death - I see Secenta (60) which I have a problem with - she and Joze were married in 1748 and from 1749 to 1763 had 6 children (known of so far, that is). I know this as been discussed before; but would she really have had a child as late as age 65? (I DON'T THINK SO...) Either the age is incorrect or she really, really looked much older than her true age at death. According to their marriage which occurred in Horta on August 5, 1748, she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) and Joze was the son of Pai Incognito and Barbara Sylveira (slave of Captain Gregorio Perreira of Sao Matteus, Pico). Any formation/help would be greatly appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html Than you! Lee Estep Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial
Hi Lee, That gap would make me suspicious. Are you sure this is she? The Mother's name is different, Maria Vieira. The Parish is Santa Barbara and you wrote she was from S. Joao Batista which is a different freguesia. Note: she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote: Thank you Margaret. I went to the birth records for Ribieras, Pico and finally found her record; she was born in 1722 which made her 46 at the time of her death - certainly a far cry from 60! http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731_item1/P205.html Right side, top. Again, thank you for your help. On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:55:22 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, Death date reads Sep. 2nd 1768. Age 60 years old more or less. Notice he writes more or less because the age entered is not verified and you will need to look up her birth record within the timeframe above as a start and work it backwards. I've found gaps of 10 years in some of my records. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below is the link for the obitos of Isabel do Rozario (top, left page) I know she was married to Joze Sylveira and died September 2nd??, 1768. The main question that I have is her age at death - I see Secenta (60) which I have a problem with - she and Joze were married in 1748 and from 1749 to 1763 had 6 children (known of so far, that is). I know this as been discussed before; but would she really have had a child as late as age 65? (I DON'T THINK SO...) Either the age is incorrect or she really, really looked much older than her true age at death. According to their marriage which occurred in Horta on August 5, 1748, she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) and Joze was the son of Pai Incognito and Barbara Sylveira (slave of Captain Gregorio Perreira of Sao Matteus, Pico). Any formation/help would be greatly appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL- HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html Than you! Lee Estep Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial
Margaret - Here is the link for the marriage record of Joze (Jozeph) and Isabel do Rosario. (top right page) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758_item1/P96.html When I first posted it several members replied - one whom said the brides mothers name looked like Viceza (I don't have the diacritic over the e; which would make the full name Vicenza). I don't believe that's correct. I think the name is Viera. Could you take a look and verify that if possible? (ninth line from the bottom of the record.. Thanks! Lee On Monday, August 11, 2014 1:03:08 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, That gap would make me suspicious. Are you sure this is she? The Mother's name is different, Maria Vieira. The Parish is Santa Barbara and you wrote she was from S. Joao Batista which is a different freguesia. Note: she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net javascript: wrote: Thank you Margaret. I went to the birth records for Ribieras, Pico and finally found her record; she was born in 1722 which made her 46 at the time of her death - certainly a far cry from 60! http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731_item1/P205.html Right side, top. Again, thank you for your help. On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:55:22 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, Death date reads Sep. 2nd 1768. Age 60 years old more or less. Notice he writes more or less because the age entered is not verified and you will need to look up her birth record within the timeframe above as a start and work it backwards. I've found gaps of 10 years in some of my records. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below is the link for the obitos of Isabel do Rozario (top, left page) I know she was married to Joze Sylveira and died September 2nd??, 1768. The main question that I have is her age at death - I see Secenta (60) which I have a problem with - she and Joze were married in 1748 and from 1749 to 1763 had 6 children (known of so far, that is). I know this as been discussed before; but would she really have had a child as late as age 65? (I DON'T THINK SO...) Either the age is incorrect or she really, really looked much older than her true age at death. According to their marriage which occurred in Horta on August 5, 1748, she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) and Joze was the son of Pai Incognito and Barbara Sylveira (slave of Captain Gregorio Perreira of Sao Matteus, Pico). Any formation/help would be greatly appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL- HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html Than you! Lee Estep Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial
Hi, I think the name is “Vieira.” Compare the “r” to the “r” in other words in the record, e.g., “Sylveira” and “frequesia.” Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 11:03 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial Margaret - Here is the link for the marriage record of Joze (Jozeph) and Isabel do Rosario. (top right page) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758_item1/P96.html When I first posted it several members replied - one whom said the brides mothers name looked like Viceza (I don't have the diacritic over the e; which would make the full name Vicenza). I don't believe that's correct. I think the name is Viera. Could you take a look and verify that if possible? (ninth line from the bottom of the record.. Thanks! Lee On Monday, August 11, 2014 1:03:08 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, That gap would make me suspicious. Are you sure this is she? The Mother's name is different, Maria Vieira. The Parish is Santa Barbara and you wrote she was from S. Joao Batista which is a different freguesia. Note: she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net javascript: wrote: Thank you Margaret. I went to the birth records for Ribieras, Pico and finally found her record; she was born in 1722 which made her 46 at the time of her death - certainly a far cry from 60! http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731_item1/P205.html Right side, top. Again, thank you for your help. On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:55:22 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, Death date reads Sep. 2nd 1768. Age 60 years old more or less. Notice he writes more or less because the age entered is not verified and you will need to look up her birth record within the timeframe above as a start and work it backwards. I've found gaps of 10 years in some of my records. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net mailto:shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below is the link for the obitos of Isabel do Rozario (top, left page) I know she was married to Joze Sylveira and died September 2nd??, 1768. The main question that I have is her age at death - I see Secenta (60) which I have a problem with - she and Joze were married in 1748 and from 1749 to 1763 had 6 children (known of so far, that is). I know this as been discussed before; but would she really have had a child as late as age 65? (I DON'T THINK SO...) Either the age is incorrect or she really, really looked much older than her true age at death. According to their marriage which occurred in Horta on August 5, 1748, she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) and Joze was the son of Pai Incognito and Barbara Sylveira (slave of Captain Gregorio Perreira of Sao Matteus, Pico). Any formation/help would be greatly appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html Than you! Lee Estep Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+un...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial
Lee, you're ok thenthe marriage record not only reads Maria Vieira but all else as well. :) Margaret On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote: Margaret - Here is the link for the marriage record of Joze (Jozeph) and Isabel do Rosario. (top right page) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758_item1/P96.html When I first posted it several members replied - one whom said the brides mothers name looked like Viceza (I don't have the diacritic over the e; which would make the full name Vicenza). I don't believe that's correct. I think the name is Viera. Could you take a look and verify that if possible? (ninth line from the bottom of the record.. Thanks! Lee On Monday, August 11, 2014 1:03:08 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, That gap would make me suspicious. Are you sure this is she? The Mother's name is different, Maria Vieira. The Parish is Santa Barbara and you wrote she was from S. Joao Batista which is a different freguesia. Note: she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Thank you Margaret. I went to the birth records for Ribieras, Pico and finally found her record; she was born in 1722 which made her 46 at the time of her death - certainly a far cry from 60! http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC- LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731_item1/P205.html Right side, top. Again, thank you for your help. On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:55:22 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, Death date reads Sep. 2nd 1768. Age 60 years old more or less. Notice he writes more or less because the age entered is not verified and you will need to look up her birth record within the timeframe above as a start and work it backwards. I've found gaps of 10 years in some of my records. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below is the link for the obitos of Isabel do Rozario (top, left page) I know she was married to Joze Sylveira and died September 2nd??, 1768. The main question that I have is her age at death - I see Secenta (60) which I have a problem with - she and Joze were married in 1748 and from 1749 to 1763 had 6 children (known of so far, that is). I know this as been discussed before; but would she really have had a child as late as age 65? (I DON'T THINK SO...) Either the age is incorrect or she really, really looked much older than her true age at death. According to their marriage which occurred in Horta on August 5, 1748, she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) and Joze was the son of Pai Incognito and Barbara Sylveira (slave of Captain Gregorio Perreira of Sao Matteus, Pico). Any formation/help would be greatly appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT- MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html Than you! Lee Estep Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial
Hi Lee, Death date reads Sep. 2nd 1768. Age 60 years old more or less. Notice he writes more or less because the age entered is not verified and you will need to look up her birth record within the timeframe above as a start and work it backwards. I've found gaps of 10 years in some of my records. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below is the link for the obitos of Isabel do Rozario (top, left page) I know she was married to Joze Sylveira and died September 2nd??, 1768. The main question that I have is her age at death - I see Secenta (60) which I have a problem with - she and Joze were married in 1748 and from 1749 to 1763 had 6 children (known of so far, that is). I know this as been discussed before; but would she really have had a child as late as age 65? (I DON'T THINK SO...) Either the age is incorrect or she really, really looked much older than her true age at death. According to their marriage which occurred in Horta on August 5, 1748, she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico) and Joze was the son of Pai Incognito and Barbara Sylveira (slave of Captain Gregorio Perreira of Sao Matteus, Pico). Any formation/help would be greatly appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html Than you! Lee Estep Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
