Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA testing

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you Rick,

Now, I have a better understanding.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *An exact match would be 0 (meaning all markers are the same).  With your
> exact matches look for location their most distant ancestor lived if it
> matches the location of your most distant ancestor then you have a real
> good match and you should pursue the paper trail to try and connect them. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Sandra Perez
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:30 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy Google Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA testing
>
>
>
> Cheri,
>
> I get mtDNA matches all the time.  It used to show a whole bunch.  Then it
> started showing only 3 matches. I do recall
>
> you saying that changes to FTDNA would show fewer matches--I can't
> remember why.
>
> Now, I have *4* Matches!  I have the distances' 0, 0, 1, & 3.  Is "0" the
> best match or would it be a higher number?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Repost for Ava, netasdosacores at gmail.com
>
> mtDNA is just as important as the Guys taking the Y, only that with the
> Female line the surname changes with each generation, and that can get
> frustrating.   The test results are only as good as how many have tested.
> Without going into a lot of boring details, after years of "speculating"
> how a group of Family Finder matches match to our Family, we finally found
> a Female descendant of Mary, daughter our Matriarch. On the MTFULL Sequence
> Test - Mary's female descendant matched to the other family's female
> descendant at a distance of "0" which we were thrilled, and  excited that
> we finally know how these two lines connect.  Of course, we now have to
> find the paperwork that will explain their connection, sisters?
> Mother/Daughter? Aunt/Niece? or earlier in time.
>
>
>
> AVA
>
> Vieira Anselmo - Sao Miguel
>
> Pinheiro Nunes - Faial
>
>
> ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro
>
> Sao Miguel & Faial
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA testing

[Sandra Perez]

Cheri,

Thank you very much.  BTW, every time I see a Maria Trindade, I look for a
Manuel Furtado--it's stuck in my brain!

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Sandra,
>
> With mtDNA, you want to look at your Full Sequence matches. And that is
> what you are looking at.
>
> Yes, you have genetic distances or differences of 0, 1, or 3. A "0" is a
> perfect match. These are the ones you most likely want. Once the database
> gets to critical mass, they expect about half of these to be within a
> genealogical time frame. Since we are islands, will that be true for us?
> Don't know yet, as we are still in a kind of survey or census mode, trying
> to get enough people to take this type of test to figure it out.
>
> The "1" is a difference of 1 mutation so they don't match you perfectly. A
> "3" is a mutation of "3." I don't remember why FTDNA includes the 3s as
> that's rather far out there for mtDNA (Y-DNA is a different story).
>
> So click on the trees of your "0" matches and check out their trees. I'd
> contact your first match. Your 2nd match is a child whose kit appears to be
> managed by someone else and they didn't fill out the information correctly.
> The tree is completely private and they put a man's name for the mother, so
> it appears that they are struggling to figure out how to enter the info
> into their genealogy program. I'll see if I can get them into the project
> so I can help them and get them fixed.
>
> It's a bit of a technical story, but the original woman who had her mtDNA
> sequenced had a mutation. Everyone was compared against her and the
> mutation was reported. They have since revised this and now everyone is
> compared to the newer updated sequenced mtDNA. The old one is still
> available though for those who would still like to see it.
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> I get mtDNA matches all the time.  It used to show a whole bunch.  Then
>> it started showing only 3 matches. I do recall
>> you saying that changes to FTDNA would show fewer matches--I can't
>> remember why.
>>
>> Now, I have *4* Matches!  I have the distances' 0, 0, 1, & 3.  Is "0"
>> the best match or would it be a higher number?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Repost for Ava, netasdosacores at gmail.com
>>>
>>> mtDNA is just as important as the Guys taking the Y, only that with the
>>> Female line the surname changes with each generation, and that can get
>>> frustrating.   The test results are only as good as how many have tested.
>>> Without going into a lot of boring details, after years of "speculating"
>>> how a group of Family Finder matches match to our Family, we finally found
>>> a Female descendant of Mary, daughter our Matriarch. On the MTFULL Sequence
>>> Test - Mary's female descendant matched to the other family's female
>>> descendant at a distance of "0" which we were thrilled, and  excited that
>>> we finally know how these two lines connect.  Of course, we now have to
>>> find the paperwork that will explain their connection, sisters?
>>> Mother/Daughter? Aunt/Niece? or earlier in time.
>>>
>>> AVA
>>> Vieira Anselmo - Sao Miguel
>>> Pinheiro Nunes - Faial
>>>
>>> ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro
>>> Sao Miguel & Faial
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MTDna

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Thanks. They might match my brother though, he seems to have received more
of the Portuguese DNA and I've received more of the Italian!

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> If you are interested, it's $119 to upgrade during the current sale or you
> can wait until the end of the year when they have the coupons. Your call.
>
> Three of the 4 matches of yours have done Family Finder. I ran their names
> in your Family Finder matches and they aren't showing up. So it's A) Either
> too for back or B) They are something like a 5th or 6th cousin and you guys
> didn't inherit the same DNA segment (or not enough).
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> OK, now I see says the blind woman! I didn't know what FMS meant! I
>> haven't done that so I won't see the genetic distrance measure. Thanks,
>> Cheri!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I see, you only tested HVR1 & HVR2. So only perfect matches are
>>> posted at that level. It would be to the left of your match names (blocked
>>> for privacy). You can see 3 of your matches went out to Full Sequence (FMS)
>>> and have a haplogroup of W1g:
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> Here's someone who has tested the Full Mitochondrial Sequence test
>>> (FMS). A left column appears with the Genetic Distance You can which
>>> matches have tested the FMS (or Family Finder - FF):
>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Cheri,
 I looked at my MTDna page and I don't see a genetic distance
 measurment. Is sit on this page or where is it?
 Thanks,
 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MTDna

[Cheri Mello]

If you are interested, it's $119 to upgrade during the current sale or you
can wait until the end of the year when they have the coupons. Your call.

Three of the 4 matches of yours have done Family Finder. I ran their names
in your Family Finder matches and they aren't showing up. So it's A) Either
too for back or B) They are something like a 5th or 6th cousin and you guys
didn't inherit the same DNA segment (or not enough).

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> OK, now I see says the blind woman! I didn't know what FMS meant! I
> haven't done that so I won't see the genetic distrance measure. Thanks,
> Cheri!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Oh, I see, you only tested HVR1 & HVR2. So only perfect matches are
>> posted at that level. It would be to the left of your match names (blocked
>> for privacy). You can see 3 of your matches went out to Full Sequence (FMS)
>> and have a haplogroup of W1g:
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> Here's someone who has tested the Full Mitochondrial Sequence test (FMS).
>> A left column appears with the Genetic Distance You can which matches have
>> tested the FMS (or Family Finder - FF):
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>> I looked at my MTDna page and I don't see a genetic distance measurment.
>>> Is sit on this page or where is it?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MTDna

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

OK, now I see says the blind woman! I didn't know what FMS meant! I haven't
done that so I won't see the genetic distrance measure. Thanks, Cheri!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Oh, I see, you only tested HVR1 & HVR2. So only perfect matches are posted
> at that level. It would be to the left of your match names (blocked for
> privacy). You can see 3 of your matches went out to Full Sequence (FMS) and
> have a haplogroup of W1g:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Here's someone who has tested the Full Mitochondrial Sequence test (FMS).
> A left column appears with the Genetic Distance You can which matches have
> tested the FMS (or Family Finder - FF):
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>> I looked at my MTDna page and I don't see a genetic distance measurment.
>> Is sit on this page or where is it?
>> Thanks,
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MTDna

[Cheri Mello]

Oh, I see, you only tested HVR1 & HVR2. So only perfect matches are posted
at that level. It would be to the left of your match names (blocked for
privacy). You can see 3 of your matches went out to Full Sequence (FMS) and
have a haplogroup of W1g:

[image: Inline image 1]

Here's someone who has tested the Full Mitochondrial Sequence test (FMS). A
left column appears with the Genetic Distance You can which matches have
tested the FMS (or Family Finder - FF):
[image: Inline image 2]

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Cheri,
> I looked at my MTDna page and I don't see a genetic distance measurment.
> Is sit on this page or where is it?
> Thanks,
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Sandra,

With mtDNA, you want to look at your Full Sequence matches. And that is
what you are looking at.

Yes, you have genetic distances or differences of 0, 1, or 3. A "0" is a
perfect match. These are the ones you most likely want. Once the database
gets to critical mass, they expect about half of these to be within a
genealogical time frame. Since we are islands, will that be true for us?
Don't know yet, as we are still in a kind of survey or census mode, trying
to get enough people to take this type of test to figure it out.

The "1" is a difference of 1 mutation so they don't match you perfectly. A
"3" is a mutation of "3." I don't remember why FTDNA includes the 3s as
that's rather far out there for mtDNA (Y-DNA is a different story).

So click on the trees of your "0" matches and check out their trees. I'd
contact your first match. Your 2nd match is a child whose kit appears to be
managed by someone else and they didn't fill out the information correctly.
The tree is completely private and they put a man's name for the mother, so
it appears that they are struggling to figure out how to enter the info
into their genealogy program. I'll see if I can get them into the project
so I can help them and get them fixed.

It's a bit of a technical story, but the original woman who had her mtDNA
sequenced had a mutation. Everyone was compared against her and the
mutation was reported. They have since revised this and now everyone is
compared to the newer updated sequenced mtDNA. The old one is still
available though for those who would still like to see it.

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> I get mtDNA matches all the time.  It used to show a whole bunch.  Then it
> started showing only 3 matches. I do recall
> you saying that changes to FTDNA would show fewer matches--I can't
> remember why.
>
> Now, I have *4* Matches!  I have the distances' 0, 0, 1, & 3.  Is "0" the
> best match or would it be a higher number?
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Ava, netasdosacores at gmail.com
>>
>> mtDNA is just as important as the Guys taking the Y, only that with the
>> Female line the surname changes with each generation, and that can get
>> frustrating.   The test results are only as good as how many have tested.
>> Without going into a lot of boring details, after years of "speculating"
>> how a group of Family Finder matches match to our Family, we finally found
>> a Female descendant of Mary, daughter our Matriarch. On the MTFULL Sequence
>> Test - Mary's female descendant matched to the other family's female
>> descendant at a distance of "0" which we were thrilled, and  excited that
>> we finally know how these two lines connect.  Of course, we now have to
>> find the paperwork that will explain their connection, sisters?
>> Mother/Daughter? Aunt/Niece? or earlier in time.
>>
>> AVA
>> Vieira Anselmo - Sao Miguel
>> Pinheiro Nunes - Faial
>>
>> ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro
>> Sao Miguel & Faial
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA testing

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

An exact match would be 0 (meaning all markers are the same).  With your exact 
matches look for location their most distant ancestor lived if it matches the 
location of your most distant ancestor then you have a real good match and you 
should pursue the paper trail to try and connect them. 

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sandra Perez
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:30 PM
To: Azores Genealogy Google Group
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA testing

 

Cheri, 

I get mtDNA matches all the time.  It used to show a whole bunch.  Then it 
started showing only 3 matches. I do recall

you saying that changes to FTDNA would show fewer matches--I can't remember why.

Now, I have 4 Matches!  I have the distances' 0, 0, 1, & 3.  Is "0" the best 
match or would it be a higher number?

 

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

Repost for Ava, netasdosacores at gmail.com

mtDNA is just as important as the Guys taking the Y, only that with the Female 
line the surname changes with each generation, and that can get frustrating.   
The test results are only as good as how many have tested.  Without going into 
a lot of boring details, after years of "speculating" how a group of Family 
Finder matches match to our Family, we finally found a Female descendant of 
Mary, daughter our Matriarch. On the MTFULL Sequence Test - Mary's female 
descendant matched to the other family's female descendant at a distance of "0" 
which we were thrilled, and  excited that we finally know how these two lines 
connect.  Of course, we now have to find the paperwork that will explain their 
connection, sisters? Mother/Daughter? Aunt/Niece? or earlier in time.

 

AVA

Vieira Anselmo - Sao Miguel

Pinheiro Nunes - Faial




ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro

Sao Miguel & Faial

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA testing

[Sandra Perez]

Cheri,

I get mtDNA matches all the time.  It used to show a whole bunch.  Then it
started showing only 3 matches. I do recall
you saying that changes to FTDNA would show fewer matches--I can't remember
why.

Now, I have *4* Matches!  I have the distances' 0, 0, 1, & 3.  Is "0" the
best match or would it be a higher number?

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Ava, netasdosacores at gmail.com
>
> mtDNA is just as important as the Guys taking the Y, only that with the
> Female line the surname changes with each generation, and that can get
> frustrating.   The test results are only as good as how many have tested.
> Without going into a lot of boring details, after years of "speculating"
> how a group of Family Finder matches match to our Family, we finally found
> a Female descendant of Mary, daughter our Matriarch. On the MTFULL Sequence
> Test - Mary's female descendant matched to the other family's female
> descendant at a distance of "0" which we were thrilled, and  excited that
> we finally know how these two lines connect.  Of course, we now have to
> find the paperwork that will explain their connection, sisters?
> Mother/Daughter? Aunt/Niece? or earlier in time.
>
> AVA
> Vieira Anselmo - Sao Miguel
> Pinheiro Nunes - Faial
>
> ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro
> Sao Miguel & Faial
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA testing

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

That's just great Ally! All the tests are important for different reasons.
I'm so glad that your MTDna full sequence helped with the connection, at
lease dna wise.

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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Ava, netasdosacores at gmail.com
>
> mtDNA is just as important as the Guys taking the Y, only that with the
> Female line the surname changes with each generation, and that can get
> frustrating.   The test results are only as good as how many have tested.
> Without going into a lot of boring details, after years of "speculating"
> how a group of Family Finder matches match to our Family, we finally found
> a Female descendant of Mary, daughter our Matriarch. On the MTFULL Sequence
> Test - Mary's female descendant matched to the other family's female
> descendant at a distance of "0" which we were thrilled, and  excited that
> we finally know how these two lines connect.  Of course, we now have to
> find the paperwork that will explain their connection, sisters?
> Mother/Daughter? Aunt/Niece? or earlier in time.
>
> AVA
> Vieira Anselmo - Sao Miguel
> Pinheiro Nunes - Faial
>
> ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro
> Sao Miguel & Faial
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA question.

[Sandra Perez]

A little deep for me. I don't know if I am the "mutant" or my matches are.
Thanks Cheri.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> It's a back mutation. See the explanation here. Scroll about half way down.
> http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=32206
>
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>> What is the significance of the exclamation mark after the numbers?
>> *T2b-T152C!*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA question.

[Cheri Mello]

It's a back mutation. See the explanation here. Scroll about half way down.
http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=32206

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J1c1b1

[Cheri Mello]

It may not be that J1c is rare but by the time you branch of further to
J1c1b1 it is less common. Not everyone in a haplogroup will genetically
match each other.  The Full Mitochondrial Sequence test will increase your
chances for a genealogy match to about 50%, but that's once enough J1c
people test.  Or Isabella may have an odd mutation or a mutation beginning
to from (heteroplasmy) that's throwing the matches off.:( In the meantime,
Jana, while you play wait and see you could test your autosomal DNA
(Family Finder) if you haven't done so already.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J1c1b1

[Isabella Baltar]

Thank you for the explanation, Cheri. I have done my Full Mt Sequence. I
will wait for Jana info. I don't know much about DNA, any information will
be very helpfull.

Isabella Baltar
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Em segunda-feira, 6 de abril de 2015, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
escreveu:

 It may not be that J1c is rare but by the time you branch of further to
 J1c1b1 it is less common. Not everyone in a haplogroup will genetically
 match each other.  The Full Mitochondrial Sequence test will increase your
 chances for a genealogy match to about 50%, but that's once enough J1c
 people test.  Or Isabella may have an odd mutation or a mutation beginning
 to from (heteroplasmy) that's throwing the matches off.:( In the meantime,
 Jana, while you play wait and see you could test your autosomal DNA
 (Family Finder) if you haven't done so already.
 :Cheri Mello
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TERCEIRA: Ferreira Drummond, Machado Valadão, Velho, Jacques, Vieira

SPAIN: Casasola Palermo, Peres Dias, Zurita Vilche, Jimenez Peres
BRAZIL:

PARAÍBA / PERNAMBUCO: Balthar/Rego Barros/Teixeira de Vasconcellos/Xavier
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CEARÁ: Barretto/Paschoa Loreto/Mello/Cavalcante
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA test name labels

[Cheri Mello]

Ginny S,
You can call FTDNA for help or you can join the Azores DNA project (if your
mother's mother's mother was Portuguese) and one of the DNA admins can help
you.

Also, when you join a project, the welcome letter tells you to write
Portugal (Azores) (if your mother's mother's mother's line was
Portuguese).  Helps them with the ethnic ancestral origins (or whatever
they are now calling it).


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Nancy P,

You need to email one of the admins for help.  Include the kit number and
the name.  Daughter-in-law isn't going to help us find her.

Nancy Jean and I are out of town.  Kalani or Rick can help.  Email Rick.
He's the contact for Francis Richard Pimentel.  Not Melinda.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA

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I have my daughter in laws name.Lol
The person who contacted her about matches, said her father was an 
administrator.
I'm assuming it is Rick Pimentel.
IF it is him, I will see him at the seminar.
I am just excited to see where this is going.
Nancy

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Yes it is I. I will see you Saturday

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
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I have my daughter in laws name.Lol
The person who contacted her about matches, said her father was an 
administrator.
I'm assuming it is Rick Pimentel.
IF it is him, I will see him at the seminar.
I am just excited to see where this is going.
Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[A Faria]

Hi Doug,

I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't 
receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't 
find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. 

Antonio





On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Hi Antonio,

 Nice find.

 This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA 
 testing as Y-DNA testing.
 In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then 
 Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is 
 that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the 
 most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.

 I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are 
 related to with Pico ancestry.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish
 descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
 From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript:
 Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:

 Hi Everyone,

 I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.

 http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi António.

 

May I ask what kind of useful results in upgrading to FMS (?). I did Family 
Finder.

 

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Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents 
in North East Portugal district of Braganca

 

Hi Doug,

I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive 
the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my 
results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. 

Antonio





On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

Hi Antonio,

 

Nice find.

 

This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as 
Y-DNA testing.

In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family 
Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it 
gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we 
need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.

 

I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are 
related to with Pico ancestry.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Pico  Terceira Genealogist

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To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: 

Hi Everyone,

I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html

Antonio

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[pico]

Hi Antonio,For me, the value in mt-DNA is coming from the major haplogroups that are possible to find.In my father's case with an Azorean maternal line, we have Haplogroup H and it says more about the Mutations:A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, G16230A, T16278C, T16298C, C16311T, C16320TWe didn't get the Full sequencing, but the fact we know it's group H tells me something.And if another person's test can tell me about another of my maternal ancestors, great! I am soon expecting the results for a friend of mine whose maternal line leads straight to one of my own ancestors from Pico, so that will be one more I can check off. I think the full sequence might become something of interest once more tests are back. Maybe if we find some matches and can't actually see the link through a paper trail.As of yet, I can't interpret my above listed mutations and what they might tell me. But if we can determine what ethnic group specific ancestors came from, I think that alone is a nice help in creating something of a more complete picture of the early population for each island.There is one particular maternal line that my above friend can test for if he can convince one of his relatives. It leads to another of my ancestors which for me is of high importance and is the ancestor of a great many (most people) who have ancestors in Sao Roque do Pico, with ties to the founder, Rodrigo Alvares. So I am really looking forward to that.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico  Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com=


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Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Hi Doug,I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. AntonioOn Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Hi Antonio,Nice find.This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing.In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico  Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com=    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Hi Everyone,I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.htmlAntonio  --   





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Cheri Mello]

Eliseu,

You can think of DNA as going to the market to buy produce.  You need
passion fruit to make maracuja, bananas to make banana bread, and oranges
to make orange juice (that's my attempt to make this example Azorean)!
Most people don't make banana juice.  Each fruit has a certain purpose.

DNA is like that.  We have Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family
Finder).  Family Finder is a broad overview of ALL your lines going back
about 200 years from your birth. We've got enough people testing now that
they are finding matches that they know.  Y-DNA is a narrow focus.  It
looks at your father's father's father's line only.  You can get both
genealogy and anthropology matches from that.  mtDNA is also a narrow focus
test.  It focuses on your mother's mother's mother's line only.  Usually
the results are anthropological in nature.  It is best used in conjunction
with another researcher - say you and I thought our mother's mother's
mother's were sisters and we both did a mtDNA test.  If it comes out to be
a match, then we are.  The last time I heard Bennett Greenspan (founder and
CEO/President of FTDNA) he believes the only way to get mtDNA matches of a
genealogical nature is to built the mtDNA database until it reaches
critical mass.

I had my dad do YDNA for me.  His Y is Portuguese.  We also need critical
mass in the Azores. We will need 1 man from each unique family who settled
there to test.  My dad has 0 YDNA matches of genealogical nature.  He's got
lots of matches of an anthropological nature though.  Since my mom has no Y
(being female) I tested her male cousin.  That line is Scottish.  I believe
cousin Mike tested for me in 2007 or so.  Only the last couple of years
have we started to get genealogical matches.

Both of my parents' mtDNA are British Isles lines.  There are so many
people of British Isles descent in America.  My mom has 12 mtDNA matches
but none are perfect matches.  My dad has 84 matches!  Two of them are
perfect matches, but the match is beyond genealogy.  So I'll have to wait
for critical mass to happen.



Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[A Faria]

Hi Eliseu,

By upgrading I was able to determine my subclade and my matches at the FMS 
level are more meaningful, by narrowing the time frame of a common 
ancestor. It gave me a clearer picture of the possible ancestry of my 
maternal ancestor that settled in the Azores most likely in the early 
1500's.  In my particular case those two pieces of information point to 
Flanders as the likely place of origin of my maternal line.

Antonio

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:33:38 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

 Hi António.

  

 May I ask what kind of useful results in upgrading to FMS (?). I did 
 Family Finder.

  

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 Hi Doug,

 I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't 
 receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't 
 find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. 

 Antonio





 On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Hi Antonio,

  

 Nice find.

  

 This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA 
 testing as Y-DNA testing.

 In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then 
 Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is 
 that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the 
 most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.

  

 I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are 
 related to with Pico ancestry.

  

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist

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 Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 Hi Everyone,

 I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.

 http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html

 Antonio

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

As always! Thank  you :)!

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri 
Mello
Enviada: domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 17:58
Para: Azores Genealogy
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents 
in North East Portugal district of Braganca

 

Eliseu,

You can think of DNA as going to the market to buy produce.  You need passion 
fruit to make maracuja, bananas to make banana bread, and oranges to make 
orange juice (that's my attempt to make this example Azorean)!  Most people 
don't make banana juice.  Each fruit has a certain purpose.

DNA is like that.  We have Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder).  
Family Finder is a broad overview of ALL your lines going back about 200 years 
from your birth. We've got enough people testing now that they are finding 
matches that they know.  Y-DNA is a narrow focus.  It looks at your father's 
father's father's line only.  You can get both genealogy and anthropology 
matches from that.  mtDNA is also a narrow focus test.  It focuses on your 
mother's mother's mother's line only.  Usually the results are anthropological 
in nature.  It is best used in conjunction with another researcher - say you 
and I thought our mother's mother's mother's were sisters and we both did a 
mtDNA test.  If it comes out to be a match, then we are.  The last time I heard 
Bennett Greenspan (founder and CEO/President of FTDNA) he believes the only way 
to get mtDNA matches of a genealogical nature is to built the mtDNA database 
until it reaches critical mass.  

I had my dad do YDNA for me.  His Y is Portuguese.  We also need critical mass 
in the Azores. We will need 1 man from each unique family who settled there to 
test.  My dad has 0 YDNA matches of genealogical nature.  He's got lots of 
matches of an anthropological nature though.  Since my mom has no Y (being 
female) I tested her male cousin.  That line is Scottish.  I believe cousin 
Mike tested for me in 2007 or so.  Only the last couple of years have we 
started to get genealogical matches. 

Both of my parents' mtDNA are British Isles lines.  There are so many 
people of British Isles descent in America.  My mom has 12 mtDNA matches but 
none are perfect matches.  My dad has 84 matches!  Two of them are perfect 
matches, but the match is beyond genealogy.  So I'll have to wait for critical 
mass to happen.




Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Thank you very much!!! 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de A Faria
Enviada: domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 22:18
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents 
in North East Portugal district of Braganca

 

Hi Eliseu,

By upgrading I was able to determine my subclade and my matches at the FMS 
level are more meaningful, by narrowing the time frame of a common ancestor. It 
gave me a clearer picture of the possible ancestry of my maternal ancestor that 
settled in the Azores most likely in the early 1500's.  In my particular case 
those two pieces of information point to Flanders as the likely place of origin 
of my maternal line.

Antonio

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:33:38 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

Hi António.

 

May I ask what kind of useful results in upgrading to FMS (?). I did Family 
Finder.

 

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javascript: ] Em nome de A Faria
Enviada: domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 14:05
Para: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
Cc: antoni...@gmail.com javascript: 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents 
in North East Portugal district of Braganca

 

Hi Doug,

I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive 
the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my 
results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. 

Antonio





On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

Hi Antonio,

 

Nice find.

 

This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as 
Y-DNA testing.

In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family 
Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it 
gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we 
need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.

 

I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are 
related to with Pico ancestry.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Pico  Terceira Genealogist

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Hi Everyone,

I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html

Antonio

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[A Faria]

Hi Doug,

I am also still learning but for example A16129G I believe represents that 
at position 16129 on your DNA sequence instead of having an A you have a G 
one of the four building blocks to DNA. The letters A,C,T,G represent the 
four building blocks of DNA. Your result deviates from the Revised 
Cambridge Reference Sequence therefore is considered a mutation. 

Antonio

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:38:54 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Hi Antonio,

 For me, the value in mt-DNA is coming from the major haplogroups that are 
 possible to find.
 In my father's case with an Azorean maternal line, we have Haplogroup H 
 and it says more about the Mutations:
 A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, G16230A, T16278C, T16298C, C16311T, 
 C16320T

 We didn't get the Full sequencing, but the fact we know it's group H tells 
 me something.

 And if another person's test can tell me about another of my maternal 
 ancestors, great! I am soon expecting the results for a friend of mine 
 whose maternal line leads straight to one of my own ancestors from Pico, so 
 that will be one more I can check off. I think the full sequence might 
 become something of interest once more tests are back. Maybe if we find 
 some matches and can't actually see the link through a paper trail.

 As of yet, I can't interpret my above listed mutations and what they might 
 tell me. But if we can determine what ethnic group specific ancestors came 
 from, I think that alone is a nice help in creating something of a more 
 complete picture of the early population for each island.

 There is one particular maternal line that my above friend can test for if 
 he can convince one of his relatives. It leads to another of my ancestors 
 which for me is of high importance and is the ancestor of a great many 
 (most people) who have ancestors in Sao Roque do Pico, with ties to the 
 founder, Rodrigo Alvares. So I am really looking forward to that.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
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 Hi Doug,

 I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't 
 receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't 
 find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. 

 Antonio





 On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Hi Antonio,

 Nice find.

 This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA 
 testing as Y-DNA testing.
 In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then 
 Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is 
 that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the 
 most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.

 I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both 
 are related to with Pico ancestry.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 =
 Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created 
 Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.
 Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com
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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish
 descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
 From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 Hi Everyone,

 I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.

 http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html

 Antonio
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Cheri Mello]

Antonio,
Yes, that is how mtDNA works.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Tish M]

I tested my mtDNA and I am the only H7 out in the Atlantic Ocean. I
traced my mother back to the 1600's. Obviously many more must take the
test (big on the many) before matches will show conclusive results. Maybe
when the testing becomes a less expensive, more will take the test.


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 Antonio,
 Yes, that is how mtDNA works.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Ricardo Costa de Oliveira]

 
Salve
I have an Azorean H1ao1 mtDNA lineage from Ilha Terceira, Ribeirinha and Porto Judeu. My HVR1 motif is 16262T,16278T,16519C I am lucky because I have an extremely rare HVR1 motif. My only FTDNA match is a family in California, USA, an immigrant from the same Parish (Paróquia) from Terceira Island, Azores, Portugal, that my mtDNA line came to Rio de Janeiro in 1857. (Mito/ Y Search; 2CUZQ) There are also two matches from Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, both from Brazil:  One from Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, a region with a strong Azorean colonization. Melania T. DA CRUZ b. 1902 Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, Brazil Another one from Rio de Janeiro, unfortunately no name or contact was given  I found the same two HVR1 mutations listed in 2 cases (unknown names, not mentioned) from Terceira Island as Haplogroup H 16262 16278 in the following scientific article: Mitochondrial DNA patterns in the Macaronesia islands: Variation within and among archipelagos. Santos et al 2010.
 
H1ao1 - 3630 years estimate - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322232/bin/mmc1.pdf
 
 
FTDNA – H1ao1 FMS matches - HVR1, HVR2, AND CODING REGION MATCHES
 
Genetic Distance 2 - Germany
 
Genetic Distance 3 - Ireland and Spain (Valladolid)
 
I suppose my H1ao1 mtDNA originated in Iberia (Catholic, Old Christian from the Reconquista) and went to the Azores with the first Povoadores where the 16262T mutation occurred, so that’s an exclusive Azorean motif related to the Atlantic expansion of the Portuguese Empire in Ilha Terceira and in Brazil.  
 

Ricardo
 

De: gfsche...@gmail.comEnviada: Domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 15:48Para: azores@googlegroups.comAssunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

Antonio,
Yes, that is how mtDNA works.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, Ricardo, you  were our first mtDNA match in the project.  Lucky for
you, you had that rare mutation on HVR1.

Tish, the full mtDNA sequence used to be $600 or so when it first came
out.  Now it's $200 (this is all US Dollars).
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[A Faria]

Hi Ricardo 

You match my father Manuel Faria through family finder.



On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:19:30 PM UTC-7, Ricardo Costa de Oliveira wrote:

  

 Salve

 I have an Azorean H1ao1 mtDNA lineage from Ilha Terceira, Ribeirinha and 
 Porto Judeu. My HVR1 motif is 16262T,16278T,16519C
 I am lucky because I have an extremely rare HVR1 motif. My only FTDNA 
 match is a family in California, USA, an immigrant from the same Parish 
 (Paróquia) from Terceira Island, Azores, Portugal, that my mtDNA line came 
 to Rio de Janeiro in 1857. (Mito/ Y Search; 2CUZQ)
 There are also two matches from Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, 
 both from Brazil: 
 One from Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, a region with a strong Azorean 
 colonization. Melania T. DA CRUZ b. 1902 Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, Brazil
 Another one from Rio de Janeiro, unfortunately no name or contact was given

 I found the same two HVR1 mutations listed in 2 cases (unknown names, not 
 mentioned) from Terceira Island as Haplogroup H 16262 16278 in the 
 following scientific article: Mitochondrial DNA patterns in the Macaronesia 
 islands: Variation within and among archipelagos. Santos et al 2010.
  

 H1ao1 - 3630 years estimate - 
 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322232/bin/mmc1.pdf
  
  

 FTDNA – H1ao1 FMS matches - HVR1, HVR2, AND CODING REGION MATCHES
  

 Genetic Distance 2 - Germany
  

 Genetic Distance 3 - Ireland and Spain (Valladolid)
  

 I suppose my H1ao1 mtDNA originated in Iberia (Catholic, Old Christian 
 from the Reconquista) and went to the Azores with the first Povoadores 
 where the 16262T mutation occurred, so that’s an exclusive Azorean motif 
 related to the Atlantic expansion of the Portuguese Empire in Ilha Terceira 
 and in Brazil.  
  
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  Antonio,
 Yes, that is how mtDNA works.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[Tish M]

Cheri, I agree $200 is not a bad price, but I think for many, it's over the
top for what it provides. I still think Family Finder will give people the
most hits for their money at this point.


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:43 PM, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ricardo

 You match my father Manuel Faria through family finder.




 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:19:30 PM UTC-7, Ricardo Costa de Oliveira
 wrote:



 Salve

 I have an Azorean H1ao1 mtDNA lineage from Ilha Terceira, Ribeirinha and
 Porto Judeu. My HVR1 motif is 16262T,16278T,16519C
 I am lucky because I have an extremely rare HVR1 motif. My only FTDNA
 match is a family in California, USA, an immigrant from the same Parish
 (Paróquia) from Terceira Island, Azores, Portugal, that my mtDNA line came
 to Rio de Janeiro in 1857. (Mito/ Y Search; 2CUZQ)
 There are also two matches from Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation,
 both from Brazil:
 One from Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, a region with a strong Azorean
 colonization. Melania T. DA CRUZ b. 1902 Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, Brazil
 Another one from Rio de Janeiro, unfortunately no name or contact was
 given

 I found the same two HVR1 mutations listed in 2 cases (unknown names, not
 mentioned) from Terceira Island as Haplogroup H 16262 16278 in the
 following scientific article: Mitochondrial DNA patterns in the Macaronesia
 islands: Variation within and among archipelagos. Santos et al 2010.


 H1ao1 - 3630 years estimate - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
 pmc/articles/PMC3322232/bin/mmc1.pdf



 FTDNA – H1ao1 FMS matches - HVR1, HVR2, AND CODING REGION MATCHES


 Genetic Distance 2 - Germany


 Genetic Distance 3 - Ireland and Spain (Valladolid)


 I suppose my H1ao1 mtDNA originated in Iberia (Catholic, Old Christian
 from the Reconquista) and went to the Azores with the first Povoadores
 where the 16262T mutation occurred, so that’s an exclusive Azorean motif
 related to the Atlantic expansion of the Portuguese Empire in Ilha Terceira
 and in Brazil.

 Ricardo

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  Antonio,
 Yes, that is how mtDNA works.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca

[pico]

Hi Antonio,Nice find.This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing.In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico  Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com=


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Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm
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Hi Everyone,I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.htmlAntonio  --  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mtdna

[Cheri Mello]

On the home page of kit 84884,it says mtDNA Haplogroup V.

Under My Account, Gedcom/Family Tree you'll see an underlined hyperlink
titled Most Distant Ancestors.  Click that.  There you will see the Maria
da Conceicao stuff and a map location.  One of us programmed that.  The map
is reading from that page.

Cheri


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 Can you give me your mom's name and kit number so I can look this up?

 Thanks!!
 Cheri


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 I had my moms DNA tested many years ago. It was just an initial test that
 did not yield very much information. It used to show the haplogroup. Anyway
 I went to the family tree DNA site last night and was looking in there and
 in the maps section there is a little bubble or ballon above the Avenida of
 Dom Infante  Henrique in Ponta Delgada with the name of a woman a Maria da
 Conceicao. Under her name it says b. 1848. I have never noticed this before
 and not really sure what it might be. Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mtdna

[Cheri Mello]

Can you give me your mom's name and kit number so I can look this up?

Thanks!!
Cheri


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 I had my moms DNA tested many years ago. It was just an initial test that
 did not yield very much information. It used to show the haplogroup. Anyway
 I went to the family tree DNA site last night and was looking in there and
 in the maps section there is a little bubble or ballon above the Avenida of
 Dom Infante  Henrique in Ponta Delgada with the name of a woman a Maria da
 Conceicao. Under her name it says b. 1848. I have never noticed this before
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

[Lorinda Sevenans]

I did my mtDNA with National Geographic a couple of years ago and it came
out J* (not 1 or 2). I haven't worked too much on my material side since my
father's side (mostly English, been in the US since the 1620's) has been
much easier to track. The earliest maternal female I know of is my
great-grandmother, who was born in Mass. My grandmother and mother were
both born in Fairfield, CA, so I don't know which islands that line came
from. My grandfather was born on Sao Jorge, as were both of his parents and
that's as far back as I've gotten in that line.

Lorinda


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myportuguese...@gmail.comwrote:

 Good morning Judi,

 Is your J group a maternal one? Are you a J1 or J2 ? Is this the J the one
 going back to 1800? Sorry asking so many questions, just trying to figure
 out the information.

 Isabella

 On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:35:58 AM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote:

 Hi Isabella,
 My maternal line only goes back to 1800.  I have a pai incognito which
 held me up for a long time.  my other lines go back to the 1500's.  All my
 lines are on Sao Miguel, I don't have any other islands.

 Judi

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Isabella Baltar myportu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Judi,

 We are just a few having the J. How far back were you able to go?

 I have all my maternal line back to the 1600's, until my 7th great
 grandmother, the records show that they were all born in Terceira, mainly
 in São Sebastião, except for the 7th one that I don't have a birth record.

 Isabella



 On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:47 PM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote:

 Hi Isabella,

 I have haplogroup J.  My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel.
 Judi Phillips


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 From: myportu...@gmail.com
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

 Hi all,

 I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented
 until the second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave
 new lights to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I
 have at the moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more.

 The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the
 Central and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the
 Azores).

 On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the
 Central islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling
 of the Azores).

 I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the
 Haplogroup J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones?

 Thank you,

 Isabella
  http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.commyportuguesegen.blogspot.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

[Isabella Baltar]

Lorinda,

Thank you for contacting. I know about the National Geographic project, I
have done my DNA through Sorenson, some time ago as well. DNA tests has
changed a lot, so I decided to do another one this week, to have a deeper
information on my maternal side of the family. I hope this will help me
with a brick wall that I have at the moment and have enough information for
my two daughters.

If you decided at any time to search your maternal side, let me know what
you have, as our J group is small, the travelling between the island were
common, we may have connection.

Isabella


On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Lorinda Sevenans lseven...@gmail.comwrote:

 I did my mtDNA with National Geographic a couple of years ago and it came
 out J* (not 1 or 2). I haven't worked too much on my material side since my
 father's side (mostly English, been in the US since the 1620's) has been
 much easier to track. The earliest maternal female I know of is my
 great-grandmother, who was born in Mass. My grandmother and mother were
 both born in Fairfield, CA, so I don't know which islands that line came
 from. My grandfather was born on Sao Jorge, as were both of his parents and
 that's as far back as I've gotten in that line.

 Lorinda


 On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Isabella Baltar 
 myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good morning Judi,

 Is your J group a maternal one? Are you a J1 or J2 ? Is this the J the
 one going back to 1800? Sorry asking so many questions, just trying to
 figure out the information.

 Isabella

 On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:35:58 AM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote:

 Hi Isabella,
 My maternal line only goes back to 1800.  I have a pai incognito which
 held me up for a long time.  my other lines go back to the 1500's.  All my
 lines are on Sao Miguel, I don't have any other islands.

 Judi

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Isabella Baltar myportu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Judi,

 We are just a few having the J. How far back were you able to go?

 I have all my maternal line back to the 1600's, until my 7th great
 grandmother, the records show that they were all born in Terceira, mainly
 in São Sebastião, except for the 7th one that I don't have a birth record.

 Isabella



 On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:47 PM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote:

 Hi Isabella,

 I have haplogroup J.  My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel.
 Judi Phillips


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 From: myportu...@gmail.com
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

 Hi all,

 I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented
 until the second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave
 new lights to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I
 have at the moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more.

 The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the
 Central and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in
 the Azores).

 On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the
 Central islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling
 of the Azores).

 I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the
 Haplogroup J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones?

 Thank you,

 Isabella
  http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.commyportuguesegen.blogspot.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

[Judi Phillips]

Hi Isabella,
My maternal line only goes back to 1800.  I have a pai incognito which held me 
up for a long time.  my other lines go back to the 1500's.  All my lines are on 
Sao Miguel, I don't have any other islands.

Judi

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Judi,
 
 We are just a few having the J. How far back were you able to go?
 
 I have all my maternal line back to the 1600's, until my 7th great 
 grandmother, the records show that they were all born in Terceira, mainly in 
 São Sebastião, except for the 7th one that I don't have a birth record. 
 
 Isabella
 
 
 
 On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:47 PM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote:
 Hi Isabella,
  
 I have haplogroup J.  My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel.
 Judi Phillips
 
  
 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:07:54 -0700
 From: myportu...@gmail.com
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented until the 
 second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave new lights 
 to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I have at the 
 moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more.
 
 The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the Central 
 and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the Azores).
 
 On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the Central 
 islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling of the 
 Azores).
 
 I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the Haplogroup 
 J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Isabella
 myportuguesegen.blogspot.com
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

[Isabella Baltar]

Good morning Judi, 

Is your J group a maternal one? Are you a J1 or J2 ? Is this the J the one 
going back to 1800? Sorry asking so many questions, just trying to figure 
out the information.

Isabella

On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:35:58 AM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote:

 Hi Isabella,
 My maternal line only goes back to 1800.  I have a pai incognito which 
 held me up for a long time.  my other lines go back to the 1500's.  All my 
 lines are on Sao Miguel, I don't have any other islands.

 Judi

 Sent from my iPad

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 myportu...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 Hi Judi,

 We are just a few having the J. How far back were you able to go?

 I have all my maternal line back to the 1600's, until my 7th great 
 grandmother, the records show that they were all born in Terceira, mainly 
 in São Sebastião, except for the 7th one that I don't have a birth record. 

 Isabella



 On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:47 PM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote:

 Hi Isabella,
  
 I have haplogroup J.  My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel.
 Judi Phillips

  
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 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:07:54 -0700
 From: myportu...@gmail.com
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

 Hi all, 

 I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented until 
 the second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave new 
 lights to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I 
 have at the moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more.

 The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the 
 Central and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the 
 Azores).

 On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the 
 Central islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling 
 of the Azores).

 I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the 
 Haplogroup J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones?

 Thank you,

 Isabella
  http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.commyportuguesegen.blogspot.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

[Judi Phillips]

Hi Isabella,

 

I have haplogroup J.  My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel.

Judi Phillips


 



Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:07:54 -0700
From: myportuguese...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

Hi all, 


I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented until the 
second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave new lights to 
my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I have at the 
moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more.


The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the Central 
and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the Azores).



On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the Central 
islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling of the 
Azores).


I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the Haplogroup J 
(mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones?



Thank you,


Isabella
myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

[Isabella Baltar]

That's very impressive, Cheri, and very unique. I'm willing to do another 
if it will add new clues to my research. Do you suggest anything?

Isabella

On Friday, June 14, 2013 3:13:29 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Two J1 out of about 200 mtDNA results.  That's only 1% of the Azores DNA 
 project, which is not random sampling.

 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

[Isabella Baltar]

Hi Judi,

We are just a few having the J. How far back were you able to go?

I have all my maternal line back to the 1600's, until my 7th great 
grandmother, the records show that they were all born in Terceira, mainly 
in São Sebastião, except for the 7th one that I don't have a birth record. 

Isabella



On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:47 PM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote:

 Hi Isabella,
  
 I have haplogroup J.  My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel.
 Judi Phillips

  
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 From: myportu...@gmail.com javascript:
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J

 Hi all, 

 I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented until 
 the second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave new 
 lights to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I 
 have at the moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more.

 The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the 
 Central and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the 
 Azores).

 On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the Central 
 islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling of the 
 Azores).

 I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the 
 Haplogroup J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones?

 Thank you,

 Isabella
 myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA Haplogroup T1

[Cheri Mello]

Dave W,

There are 3 T1 in the Azores DNA project.  There are 2 T1a (so they belong
to the parent group of T1).

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA Plus

[Cheri Mello]

Geneva C-G,

mtDNA Plus tests HyperVariable Region 1 and 2 (HVR1 and HVR2).  This is a
specific region on the D-Loop and covers 1142 base pairs.  The entire mtDNA
is 16,569 base pairs.  That test is called the Full Mitochondrial Sequence
test.

When you receive your matches, you will be provided with the name and email
address of your match.  Most people you are matching are alive.  Those who
have tested with FTDNA and who have passed on have blank email addresses or
some have deceased written after their name.

Matching someone on HVR1  2 is more anthropological in nature.  Unless you
happen to be lucky enough to have a rare mutation.  The best use of mtDNA
is in conjunction with a theory - say you and I both descend from the same
mother's mother's mother's mother, but we cannot prove it.  We both take
the mtDNA test and match perfectly, then we descend from the same ancestor.

As I said though, HVR 1  2 are more anthropological in nature, so the
matches are going to be from thousands of years ago.  Yes, you are cousins,
but we like to call it genetic cousins.

Wait for your results to come in and then decide if you want to upgrade to
the Full Sequence test or not.  I don't know if it will be on sale or not
later this month.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA Plus

[GENEVA]

Thank you Cheri that makes sense. 

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Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:15:57 PM 
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Geneva C-G, 

mtDNA Plus tests HyperVariable Region 1 and 2 (HVR1 and HVR2).  This is a 
specific region on the D-Loop and covers 1142 base pairs.  The entire mtDNA is 
16,569 base pairs.  That test is called the Full Mitochondrial Sequence test. 

When you receive your matches, you will be provided with the name and email 
address of your match.  Most people you are matching are alive.  Those who have 
tested with FTDNA and who have passed on have blank email addresses or some 
have deceased written after their name. 

Matching someone on HVR1  2 is more anthropological in nature.  Unless you 
happen to be lucky enough to have a rare mutation.  The best use of mtDNA is in 
conjunction with a theory - say you and I both descend from the same mother's 
mother's mother's mother, but we cannot prove it.  We both take the mtDNA test 
and match perfectly, then we descend from the same ancestor. 

As I said though, HVR 1  2 are more anthropological in nature, so the matches 
are going to be from thousands of years ago.  Yes, you are cousins, but we like 
to call it genetic cousins. 

Wait for your results to come in and then decide if you want to upgrade to the 
Full Sequence test or not.  I don't know if it will be on sale or not later 
this month. 


Cheri Mello 
Family Tree DNA Admin 

Azores DNA 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

[kim...]

Evening,

The last I can find by baptismal records is Guilhermina, Birth 27 August 1878 
in Santa Cruz, Madeira / Death 12 August 1948 in Alameda, Ca.
Her mother is listed as Augusta do Rosário {married to Monteiro}   I have 
conflicting hints as to whether she is from or was born in the Azores / 
Maderia. The issue with the conflicting info might be a result of my own 
ignorance regarding paternal / maternal last name combinations, or lack 
thereof.  I've also tried to obtain some records from Hawaii, but it appears 
that may take a good long while and that is assuming there are records to 
locate.

There is of course the classic bit of family mystery behind this, and while I 
have thick skin, above all I wish to be considerate toward possible family 
connections.
If your or someone are interested in some of the other other last names I am 
seeing in DNA matchups Ancestry but have yet to figure out, just shoot me an 
email at kimberlylhard...@gmail.com

Cheers,
K




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

[pico]

Great idea, Mary.My father is the one with mtDNA from the Azores and we have the H haplogroup, like you.We don't have any matches at any level.Not knowing how to read it any better, I am pasting this and hope it applies to the results from our test:   HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRSA16129G  T16187C  C16189T  T16223C  G16230A  T16278C  T16298C  C16311T  C16320T  I see there is a similar number to your evolved number.Our maternal line goes back through Pico to one Leonor Toste, born about 1547. Toste is relatively rare on Pico and I believe she was more likely born in Terceira, where Toste is rather common.So if anyone can tell me more about my H haplogroup from the above numbers, I'd sure appreciate it. It seems HVR1 is what I have, but I don't know a longer or more exact description.Looking at the migration map for each letter of the haplogroups, I see H is listed as 30,000 years old and coming from Europe.In a previous email, I mentioned we have an ancestor from Chile and two possible candidates who could be tested to show that line. I would expect to have a result of maybe A, B, C or D haplogroups, because those are the letters of the native Indian populations for the western hemisphere. They are 30, 50, 20 and 25,000 years old.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
From: Mary Bordi geneal...@hununu.org
Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 11:42 am
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com

Just thought I would mention this, since there's a thread about y-DNA.My maternal line contains my Azorean ancestry through my Azorean great grandmother. My first mtDNA test showed haplogroup H. Later there was a number attached to that, and now it has evolved to this mouthful:H-G16129A! (and the exclamation point is not mine, it's part of the designation).It's interesting to see it being refined all the time.Mary




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

[pico]

 I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own results:A16129G  T16187C  C16189T  T16223C  G16230A  C16261T  T16278C  G16310A  C16311T  C16519T Results from my father's line:  HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRSA16129G  T16187C  C16189T  T16223C  G16230A  T16278C  T16298C  C16311T  C16320T  




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

[Mike]

Doug,
Since I am match with your father here are mine, several match with his 
with a few differences, I have no idea what they mean yet but I'm trying to 
figure it out. Maybe someone could explain it a little.
HVR1 Differences from RSRS

T16094C
A16129G
C16147T
T16187C
T16223C
G16230A
C16270T
T16278C
C16311T
C16519T

On Friday, January 4, 2013 6:19:12 PM UTC-5, Doug Holmes wrote:



 I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the 
 same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own 
 results:

- A16129G 
- T16187C 
- C16189T 
- T16223C 
- G16230A 
- C16261T 
- T16278C 
- G16310A 
- C16311T 
- C16519T 


 Results from my father's line:


  HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS 

- A16129G 
- T16187C 
- C16189T 
- T16223C 
- G16230A 
- T16278C 
- T16298C 
- C16311T 
- C16320T 

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

[kim...]

Greetings,

My first post, so hopefully the picture / graphic is viewable ...

I'm new to the DNA testing, so found the haplo group interesting since my 
general ethnic breakdown is central european, british isles and a bit of 
eastern european, etc...

Cheers, 

k 


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QJY1iGY-1ig/UOd1W_16EZI/AD0/ZP-hI-i7acM/s1600/mtDNA.jpg






On Friday, January 4, 2013 3:35:18 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:

 Doug,
 Since I am match with your father here are mine, several match with his 
 with a few differences, I have no idea what they mean yet but I'm trying to 
 figure it out. Maybe someone could explain it a little.
 HVR1 Differences from RSRS

 T16094C
 A16129G
 C16147T
 T16187C
 T16223C
 G16230A
 C16270T
 T16278C
 C16311T
 C16519T

 On Friday, January 4, 2013 6:19:12 PM UTC-5, Doug Holmes wrote:



 I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is 
 the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my 
 own results:

- A16129G 
- T16187C 
- C16189T 
- T16223C 
- G16230A 
- C16261T 
- T16278C 
- G16310A 
- C16311T 
- C16519T 


 Results from my father's line:


  HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS 

- A16129G 
- T16187C 
- C16189T 
- T16223C 
- G16230A 
- T16278C 
- T16298C 
- C16311T 
- C16320T 

  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

[pico]

Hi Kay,Do you know the birthplace of your oldest known grandmother on the maternal line?Is it the Azores?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
From: "kim..." kimberlylhard...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 5:43 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Greetings,My first post, so hopefully the picture / graphic is viewable ...I'm new to the DNA testing, so found the haplo group interesting since my general ethnic breakdown is central european, british isles and a bit of eastern european, etc...Cheers, k On Friday, January 4, 2013 3:35:18 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:Doug,Since I am match with your father here are mine, several match with his with a few differences, I have no idea what they mean yet but I'm trying to figure it out. Maybe someone could explain it a little.HVR1 Differences from RSRST16094CA16129GC16147TT16187CT16223CG16230AC16270TT16278CC16311TC16519TOn Friday, January 4, 2013 6:19:12 PM UTC-5, Doug Holmes wrote: I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own results:A16129G  T16187C  C16189T  T16223C  G16230A  C16261T  T16278C  G16310A  C16311T  C16519T Results from my father's line:  HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRSA16129G  T16187C  C16189T  T16223C  G16230A  T16278C  T16298C  C16311T  C16320T  --  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA question

[Sandra Oliveira Cardoso]

Hi,

It's me, Ubirajara Jales de Lira, Sandra's husband.
According to FTDNA they are 5th cousins. Can you tell me who is our common
ancestor?
I put my Family Tree on Ancestry.com. You can see it there!
I think that they left Azores in the 16th century or 17th century or 18th
century. I am not sure, but I believe that my ancestors are in Brazil at
least 300 years. Many people came from Portugal( also Azores) to Northeast
of Brazil( region of my mother's ancestors) in the 16th century, 17th
century and 18th century.
Family Cardoso of Sandra is from Spain/Paraguay.
Here's the link with my Family Tree:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/2208033/family .
If you'll have any difficulty and/or question, you can do it.

Thanks,

Ubirajara Jales de Lira and Sandra Oliveira Cardoso.



2011/11/9 Vivian Christy vchris1...@yahoo.com

  Hello Sandra,  I contacted you regarding the match between my Mother
 Gertrude Jose (Joseph) and your husband.  I think the Family Finder Test
 said they are 5th or 6th cousins. I would need information on your husbands
 Mothers line.  Like names, dates of birth, when you think they left the
 Azores.  We have Cardoso's in our line that were relatives and came from
 the Island of Pico.  Lajes do Pico, Church was Santissima Truidade.  Let me
 know how much information you have on your husbands Mothers line please.

 Thank you, Vivian (Silva) Christy for Gertrude J. Joseph

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 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:08 PM
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA question

  From Sandra, sandra.olivacard at gmail.com
 Hello!
 My Cardoso is from Spain/Paraguai.
 My husband did the mtDNA FGS, and he belongs to the Hapolgroup V. But, he
 has not matches in coding region in the FTDNA!
 He has one matche, on Autossomal test, with a person from Azores.
 Probrably, his mother line came to Brazil from Azores.
 Can you help him to meet matches?
 Thanks,
 Sandra Oliveira Cardoso
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA question

[Vivian Christy]

Hello Sandra,  I contacted you regarding the match between my Mother Gertrude 
Jose (Joseph) and your husband.  I think the Family Finder Test said they are 
5th or 6th cousins. I would need information on your husbands Mothers line.  
Like names, dates of birth, when you think they left the Azores.  We have 
Cardoso's in our line that were relatives and came from the Island of Pico.  
Lajes do Pico, Church was Santissima Truidade.  Let me know how much 
information you have on your husbands Mothers line please.
 
Thank you, Vivian (Silva) Christy for Gertrude J. Joseph



From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA question


From Sandra, sandra.olivacard at gmail.com 
Hello!
My Cardoso is from Spain/Paraguai.
My husband did the mtDNA FGS, and he belongs to the Hapolgroup V. But, he
has not matches in coding region in the FTDNA!
He has one matche, on Autossomal test, with a person from Azores. 
Probrably, his mother line came to Brazil from Azores.
Can you help him to meet matches?
Thanks,
Sandra Oliveira Cardoso 
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