RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

2019-08-29 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
Lucky, wow, I’d say that was nothing short of miraculous!   Thanks everyone for 
your take on this question.  These name changes and combinations drive me to 
the brink! LOL!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:26 PM
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Wow, you were lucky! Maybe that priest did genealogy! :)

Cheri Mello
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 7:17 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
Yes the name changes do make it challenging.  I just wanted to point out one 
marriage from my tree that was written by a priest that seemed to have future 
genealogist in mind.  It says Rosa da Conceição, ALSO KNOW AS ROSA DOS ANJOS AT 
HER FIRST MARRIAGE...

I felt lucky on this one that I didn't have to guess that Rosa de Conceição and 
Rosa dos Anjos were the same person.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911_item1/P160.html
 (starts lower left)

Bill Seidler



On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 5:35:20 PM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
I would say it's the same person.
I have a Laurência who shows up as Laurência Rosa, Laurência de Jesus, and 
finally Laurência Rosa de Jesus.

Also try to find out the death record(s) for your Joaquina.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s) 21:01:
It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at least 
back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name correctly. 
Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with all the records 
she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa and one 
of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her parents and 
grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that there are two 
Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina Umbelina and they are 
sisters or am I to think that her name is either Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or 
Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?  
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

2019-08-28 Thread Cheri Mello 
Wow, you were lucky! Maybe that priest did genealogy! :)
Cheri Mello
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 7:17 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> Yes the name changes do make it challenging.  I just wanted to point out
> one marriage from my tree that was written by a priest that seemed to have
> future genealogist in mind.  It says Rosa da Conceição, *ALSO KNOW AS
> ROSA DOS ANJOS AT HER FIRST MARRIAGE..*.
>
> I felt lucky on this one that I didn't have to guess that Rosa de
> Conceição and Rosa dos Anjos were the same person.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911_item1/P160.html
>  (starts
> lower left)
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 5:35:20 PM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
>>
>> I would say it's the same person.
>> I have a Laurência who shows up as Laurência Rosa, Laurência de Jesus,
>> and finally Laurência Rosa de Jesus.
>>
>> Also try to find out the death record(s) for your Joaquina.
>>
>> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s)
>> 21:01:
>>
>>> It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at
>>> least back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name
>>> correctly. Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with
>>> all the records she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa
 and one of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her
 parents and grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that
 there are two Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina
 Umbelina and they are sisters or am I to think that her name is either
 Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

2019-08-28 Thread Bill Seidler 
Yes the name changes do make it challenging.  I just wanted to point out 
one marriage from my tree that was written by a priest that seemed to have 
future genealogist in mind.  It says Rosa da Conceição, *ALSO KNOW AS ROSA 
DOS ANJOS AT HER FIRST MARRIAGE..*.

I felt lucky on this one that I didn't have to guess that Rosa de Conceição 
and Rosa dos Anjos were the same person.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911_item1/P160.html
 (starts 
lower left)

Bill Seidler



On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 5:35:20 PM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
>
> I would say it's the same person.
> I have a Laurência who shows up as Laurência Rosa, Laurência de Jesus, and 
> finally Laurência Rosa de Jesus.
>
> Also try to find out the death record(s) for your Joaquina.
>
> Cheri Mello > escreveu no dia quarta, 
> 28/08/2019 à(s) 21:01:
>
>> It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at 
>> least back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name 
>> correctly. Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with 
>> all the records she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa 
>>> and one of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her 
>>> parents and grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that 
>>> there are two Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina 
>>> Umbelina and they are sisters or am I to think that her name is either 
>>> Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?  
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

2019-08-28 Thread Ângela Loura 
I would say it's the same person.
I have a Laurência who shows up as Laurência Rosa, Laurência de Jesus, and
finally Laurência Rosa de Jesus.

Also try to find out the death record(s) for your Joaquina.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s)
21:01:

> It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at
> least back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name
> correctly. Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with
> all the records she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa and
>> one of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her
>> parents and grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that
>> there are two Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina
>> Umbelina and they are sisters or am I to think that her name is either
>> Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

2019-08-28 Thread Pam Santos 
I would say same person I have come across different Joaquina with
different middle name but to verify look for another baptism with that name

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:31 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.  I’ve found this kind of thing many times and it drives me
> nutso trying to figure out who is who.  This changing or adding names seems
> to happen fairly frequently. G….  I guess in using the timeline, you
> can see if once the name is “changed” it stays changed and if not, one can
> “suppose” it is two different people?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 28, 2019 2:01 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please
>
>
>
> It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at
> least back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name
> correctly. Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with
> all the records she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa and
> one of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her
> parents and grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that
> there are two Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina
> Umbelina and they are sisters or am I to think that her name is either
> Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

2019-08-28 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
Thanks Cheri.  I’ve found this kind of thing many times and it drives me nutso 
trying to figure out who is who.  This changing or adding names seems to happen 
fairly frequently. G….  I guess in using the timeline, you can see if once 
the name is “changed” it stays changed and if not, one can “suppose” it is two 
different people?

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 2:01 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at least 
back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name correctly. 
Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with all the records 
she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa and one 
of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her parents and 
grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that there are two 
Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina Umbelina and they are 
sisters or am I to think that her name is either Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or 
Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?  
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

2019-08-28 Thread Cheri Mello 
It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at
least back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name
correctly. Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with
all the records she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa and
> one of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her
> parents and grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that
> there are two Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina
> Umbelina and they are sisters or am I to think that her name is either
> Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?
>
>
>
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