Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
Cheri it could work. Gary's paternal grgrandparents were 15 years apart. She was 15 uears older than he was. Actually when they got married he was 27 years old, and she was 42 years old. It is written right in the record. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Cheri Mello To: Azores Genealogy Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S. Hi Gail, Yeah, I'll wait for you to get organized more. Maria was born in 1872 and her dad was born in 1884! Well, that doesn't work :) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
I think that I have found our connection. I found the following in Bob de Mello's book on page 365: SILVA, Joao da (I have in parenthesis BARBOSA), age 35 (Antonio da Silva X Maria Joaquina) From Ribeira Quente WIFE Mariana de Jesus, age 44 (Francisco de Melo X Francisca de Jesus) Enteada (step-daughter) Francisca de Jesus, age 17 (Lourenco Antonio Bento (Bonito?) X Mariana de Jesus) CHILDREN Manual 9, Jose 7, Mariana 4 (All Born Rib. Quente) Enteada: Maria Rosa, 21 Child: Carol Maria de Jesus, 5 SHIP: Bell Rock *** Francisco de Mello is the son of 104 Antonio de Mello X 105 Constancia de Jesus). I have these people in my PAF file. We need to talk. I will be home until 9:30 am California time. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Gail Elizares To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S. Cheri, Looking into my notes she was born in Sao Miguel, Azores, around 1872 and died in Paauilo, Hi 1943. Her dad was Jose Freitas Silva born Aug 05, 1884, (I don't know where) and died October 22, 1908 probably in Paauilo because he is buried at Kukaiau County Cemetery next to Paauilo. I don't have anything on her mother.Her husband Francisco da Luz came from Madeira. It seems she came over around 1882 to Hawaii. From my notes that I got from a family member it seems she had 3 brothers Manuel, Marion, and Antone, two sisters Evelyn and Dolores. It seems Antone, Evelyn and Dolores carried the Barboza name. Gosh Portuguese carries too many names, LOL. Through the DNA it does seem we have a closer connection right? I'm just curious to see where the connection is. I'm still kind of tied up now but hopefully I can spend a lot more time researching and getting more organized in a couple of months. Gail E. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:30 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S. Gail E, I looked at your Gedcom through FTDNA and I don't know if the info is missing on your end or the system ate it. The Barboza that is your mom's grandma is Maria Silva Barboza b. 1872 (no place stated) and d. 1948 (no place stated). I looked at Maria's hubby, Francisco A. da Luz, and it also gives birth and death years but no places. Mine were Mello Barbozas. He took that name from his grandma. My Barbozas are in Vila Franca (to Ponta Garca), but it's in the early 1700s. We're off almost 150 years. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
Gail E, His actual name is Joao da Silva. I don't see Barboza in the Portuguese records. I found him on the passenger list last night but I was getting sleepy. Shirley posted this morning. So now we have figured out one of your DNA lines. You come from Antonio de Mello Constancia de Jesus de Pimentel. Others who come from that couple besides me and my dad are Shirley Allegre, Altino Demelo, and Todd (Brum) Brown. Richard Demello Lori Pacheco are maybes. Don't know yet if they contact to this couple of Antonio Constancia or another line. Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
To Fred, You're not the only one having problems on the Souzas' side, I am too. I'm just waiting for George Pacheco when he is able to, to help me find where my great grandparents came from. All I know is San Miguel nothing else. And thank you Cheri for all you do! Gail E. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:05 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S. Repost for Fred Souza, fsouza31 at comcast.net Cheri, Thanks so much for clarifying how this works. I don't have any connection to a genealogy program yet, but I regularly read the correspondence from within the group, and this was the first time I had seen SOUSA mentioned, so I wanted to look at what he had just in case it gave some hints to my family. My only surviving uncle (born in the US) seems to think there was a dramatic name change so that our last name shouldn't even be Souza, (and I have some feeling that he may be right since my dad had issues when he retired because of the name he thinks is the right one being on his birth certificate). Of course, this makes finding any information really complicated. On the other side it is even more complicated because there maternal surname issue and there being a lack of any family to contact creates another dead end. At this point I will be satisfied to just get back to the information from the original immigrants, and leave it up to my kids and cousins to go from there. Thanks, Frederick Souza 19 Owen Drive Stonington, CT 06378-1012 -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
Gail E, You tested your DNA, so you know more than you think. Don't know which one of your lines yet, but your DNA is dancing around a group of us with Vila Franca ancestry. So at least one of your lines comes from there. P.S. You may want to double check your genealogy program to be sure you have the island as Sao Miguel. San Miguel island is one of the Channel Islands off the coast of California. Someone searching the archive/web board/forum may not be able to find your post as they would be looking for Sao Miguel island, one of the Azores. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
Aloha Cheri, Sorry Cheri my misspelling it should be Sao Miguel in the Azores. I did find quite a bit more info since I posted my tree. Just need to find the time to put it in. My biggest set back on the Souza side is I can't find him in any of the ship lists nor my great grandmother. This is where I'm hoping that George is going to be able to help me. I'm not sure where we connect but I do have a feeling it is through the Barboza or Barbosa side. That would be my mother's grandmother. If that is our link, just to let you know I do have a family pic with her and her husband and all the children. I'll keep on trudging... Thanks, Gail E. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:40 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S. Gail E, You tested your DNA, so you know more than you think. Don't know which one of your lines yet, but your DNA is dancing around a group of us with Vila Franca ancestry. So at least one of your lines comes from there. P.S. You may want to double check your genealogy program to be sure you have the island as Sao Miguel. San Miguel island is one of the Channel Islands off the coast of California. Someone searching the archive/web board/forum may not be able to find your post as they would be looking for Sao Miguel island, one of the Azores. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
Gail E, I looked at your Gedcom through FTDNA and I don't know if the info is missing on your end or the system ate it. The Barboza that is your mom's grandma is Maria Silva Barboza b. 1872 (no place stated) and d. 1948 (no place stated). I looked at Maria's hubby, Francisco A. da Luz, and it also gives birth and death years but no places. Mine were Mello Barbozas. He took that name from his grandma. My Barbozas are in Vila Franca (to Ponta Garca), but it's in the early 1700s. We're off almost 150 years. azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comCheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
Cheri, Looking into my notes she was born in Sao Miguel, Azores, around 1872 and died in Paauilo, Hi 1943. Her dad was Jose Freitas Silva born Aug 05, 1884, (I don't know where) and died October 22, 1908 probably in Paauilo because he is buried at Kukaiau County Cemetery next to Paauilo. I don't have anything on her mother.Her husband Francisco da Luz came from Madeira. It seems she came over around 1882 to Hawaii. From my notes that I got from a family member it seems she had 3 brothers Manuel, Marion, and Antone, two sisters Evelyn and Dolores. It seems Antone, Evelyn and Dolores carried the Barboza name. Gosh Portuguese carries too many names, LOL. Through the DNA it does seem we have a closer connection right? I'm just curious to see where the connection is. I'm still kind of tied up now but hopefully I can spend a lot more time researching and getting more organized in a couple of months. Gail E. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:30 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S. Gail E, I looked at your Gedcom through FTDNA and I don't know if the info is missing on your end or the system ate it. The Barboza that is your mom's grandma is Maria Silva Barboza b. 1872 (no place stated) and d. 1948 (no place stated). I looked at Maria's hubby, Francisco A. da Luz, and it also gives birth and death years but no places. Mine were Mello Barbozas. He took that name from his grandma. My Barbozas are in Vila Franca (to Ponta Garca), but it's in the early 1700s. We're off almost 150 years. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
Hi Gail, Yeah, I'll wait for you to get organized more. Maria was born in 1872 and her dad was born in 1884! Well, that doesn't work :) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S.
Sorry about that Cheri, I was looking at the wrong line. The actual name is John DeSilva Barboza born 06/22/1847 and died 01/11/1931. Gail E. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:54 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza anywhere in the U.S. Hi Gail, Yeah, I'll wait for you to get organized more. Maria was born in 1872 and her dad was born in 1884! Well, that doesn't work :) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
