Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Hi Doug, I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. Antonio On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Antonio, Nice find. This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing. In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA. I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com javascript: = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Hi Everyone, I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html Antonio -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Hi António. May I ask what kind of useful results in upgrading to FMS (?). I did Family Finder. De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de A Faria Enviada: domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 14:05 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca Hi Doug, I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. Antonio On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Antonio, Nice find. This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing. In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA. I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com javascript: = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Hi Everyone, I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html Antonio -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Hi Antonio,For me, the value in mt-DNA is coming from the major haplogroups that are possible to find.In my father's case with an Azorean maternal line, we have Haplogroup H and it says more about the Mutations:A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, G16230A, T16278C, T16298C, C16311T, C16320TWe didn't get the Full sequencing, but the fact we know it's group H tells me something.And if another person's test can tell me about another of my maternal ancestors, great! I am soon expecting the results for a friend of mine whose maternal line leads straight to one of my own ancestors from Pico, so that will be one more I can check off. I think the full sequence might become something of interest once more tests are back. Maybe if we find some matches and can't actually see the link through a paper trail.As of yet, I can't interpret my above listed mutations and what they might tell me. But if we can determine what ethnic group specific ancestors came from, I think that alone is a nice help in creating something of a more complete picture of the early population for each island.There is one particular maternal line that my above friend can test for if he can convince one of his relatives. It leads to another of my ancestors which for me is of high importance and is the ancestor of a great many (most people) who have ancestors in Sao Roque do Pico, with ties to the founder, Rodrigo Alvares. So I am really looking forward to that.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com Date: Sun, August 03, 2014 7:04 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com Hi Doug,I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. AntonioOn Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Hi Antonio,Nice find.This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing.In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com Hi Everyone,I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.htmlAntonio -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Eliseu, You can think of DNA as going to the market to buy produce. You need passion fruit to make maracuja, bananas to make banana bread, and oranges to make orange juice (that's my attempt to make this example Azorean)! Most people don't make banana juice. Each fruit has a certain purpose. DNA is like that. We have Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder). Family Finder is a broad overview of ALL your lines going back about 200 years from your birth. We've got enough people testing now that they are finding matches that they know. Y-DNA is a narrow focus. It looks at your father's father's father's line only. You can get both genealogy and anthropology matches from that. mtDNA is also a narrow focus test. It focuses on your mother's mother's mother's line only. Usually the results are anthropological in nature. It is best used in conjunction with another researcher - say you and I thought our mother's mother's mother's were sisters and we both did a mtDNA test. If it comes out to be a match, then we are. The last time I heard Bennett Greenspan (founder and CEO/President of FTDNA) he believes the only way to get mtDNA matches of a genealogical nature is to built the mtDNA database until it reaches critical mass. I had my dad do YDNA for me. His Y is Portuguese. We also need critical mass in the Azores. We will need 1 man from each unique family who settled there to test. My dad has 0 YDNA matches of genealogical nature. He's got lots of matches of an anthropological nature though. Since my mom has no Y (being female) I tested her male cousin. That line is Scottish. I believe cousin Mike tested for me in 2007 or so. Only the last couple of years have we started to get genealogical matches. Both of my parents' mtDNA are British Isles lines. There are so many people of British Isles descent in America. My mom has 12 mtDNA matches but none are perfect matches. My dad has 84 matches! Two of them are perfect matches, but the match is beyond genealogy. So I'll have to wait for critical mass to happen. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Hi Eliseu, By upgrading I was able to determine my subclade and my matches at the FMS level are more meaningful, by narrowing the time frame of a common ancestor. It gave me a clearer picture of the possible ancestry of my maternal ancestor that settled in the Azores most likely in the early 1500's. In my particular case those two pieces of information point to Flanders as the likely place of origin of my maternal line. Antonio On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:33:38 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi António. May I ask what kind of useful results in upgrading to FMS (?). I did Family Finder. *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *Em nome de *A Faria *Enviada:* domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 14:05 *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Cc:* antoni...@gmail.com javascript: *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca Hi Doug, I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. Antonio On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Antonio, Nice find. This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing. In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA. I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com Hi Everyone, I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html Antonio -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
As always! Thank you :)! De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri Mello Enviada: domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 17:58 Para: Azores Genealogy Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca Eliseu, You can think of DNA as going to the market to buy produce. You need passion fruit to make maracuja, bananas to make banana bread, and oranges to make orange juice (that's my attempt to make this example Azorean)! Most people don't make banana juice. Each fruit has a certain purpose. DNA is like that. We have Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder). Family Finder is a broad overview of ALL your lines going back about 200 years from your birth. We've got enough people testing now that they are finding matches that they know. Y-DNA is a narrow focus. It looks at your father's father's father's line only. You can get both genealogy and anthropology matches from that. mtDNA is also a narrow focus test. It focuses on your mother's mother's mother's line only. Usually the results are anthropological in nature. It is best used in conjunction with another researcher - say you and I thought our mother's mother's mother's were sisters and we both did a mtDNA test. If it comes out to be a match, then we are. The last time I heard Bennett Greenspan (founder and CEO/President of FTDNA) he believes the only way to get mtDNA matches of a genealogical nature is to built the mtDNA database until it reaches critical mass. I had my dad do YDNA for me. His Y is Portuguese. We also need critical mass in the Azores. We will need 1 man from each unique family who settled there to test. My dad has 0 YDNA matches of genealogical nature. He's got lots of matches of an anthropological nature though. Since my mom has no Y (being female) I tested her male cousin. That line is Scottish. I believe cousin Mike tested for me in 2007 or so. Only the last couple of years have we started to get genealogical matches. Both of my parents' mtDNA are British Isles lines. There are so many people of British Isles descent in America. My mom has 12 mtDNA matches but none are perfect matches. My dad has 84 matches! Two of them are perfect matches, but the match is beyond genealogy. So I'll have to wait for critical mass to happen. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Thank you very much!!! De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de A Faria Enviada: domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 22:18 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca Hi Eliseu, By upgrading I was able to determine my subclade and my matches at the FMS level are more meaningful, by narrowing the time frame of a common ancestor. It gave me a clearer picture of the possible ancestry of my maternal ancestor that settled in the Azores most likely in the early 1500's. In my particular case those two pieces of information point to Flanders as the likely place of origin of my maternal line. Antonio On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:33:38 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi António. May I ask what kind of useful results in upgrading to FMS (?). I did Family Finder. De: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: ] Em nome de A Faria Enviada: domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 14:05 Para: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Cc: antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca Hi Doug, I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. Antonio On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Antonio, Nice find. This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing. In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA. I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: mailto:n...@rochaholmes.com n...@rochaholmes.com = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria mailto:antoni...@gmail.com antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm To: mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com azo...@googlegroups.com Hi Everyone, I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html Antonio -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Hi Doug, I am also still learning but for example A16129G I believe represents that at position 16129 on your DNA sequence instead of having an A you have a G one of the four building blocks to DNA. The letters A,C,T,G represent the four building blocks of DNA. Your result deviates from the Revised Cambridge Reference Sequence therefore is considered a mutation. Antonio On Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:38:54 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Antonio, For me, the value in mt-DNA is coming from the major haplogroups that are possible to find. In my father's case with an Azorean maternal line, we have Haplogroup H and it says more about the Mutations: A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, G16230A, T16278C, T16298C, C16311T, C16320T We didn't get the Full sequencing, but the fact we know it's group H tells me something. And if another person's test can tell me about another of my maternal ancestors, great! I am soon expecting the results for a friend of mine whose maternal line leads straight to one of my own ancestors from Pico, so that will be one more I can check off. I think the full sequence might become something of interest once more tests are back. Maybe if we find some matches and can't actually see the link through a paper trail. As of yet, I can't interpret my above listed mutations and what they might tell me. But if we can determine what ethnic group specific ancestors came from, I think that alone is a nice help in creating something of a more complete picture of the early population for each island. There is one particular maternal line that my above friend can test for if he can convince one of his relatives. It leads to another of my ancestors which for me is of high importance and is the ancestor of a great many (most people) who have ancestors in Sao Roque do Pico, with ties to the founder, Rodrigo Alvares. So I am really looking forward to that. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com javascript: = Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sun, August 03, 2014 7:04 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Cc: antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Hi Doug, I think the value of mtDNA is sometimes underestimated and it doesn't receive the attention that it should from the scientists, however I didn't find my results particularly useful until I upgraded to FMS. Antonio On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:22:48 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Antonio, Nice find. This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing. In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA. I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com Hi Everyone, I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.html Antonio -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Antonio, Yes, that is how mtDNA works. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
I tested my mtDNA and I am the only H7 out in the Atlantic Ocean. I traced my mother back to the 1600's. Obviously many more must take the test (big on the many) before matches will show conclusive results. Maybe when the testing becomes a less expensive, more will take the test. On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Antonio, Yes, that is how mtDNA works. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Salve I have an Azorean H1ao1 mtDNA lineage from Ilha Terceira, Ribeirinha and Porto Judeu. My HVR1 motif is 16262T,16278T,16519C I am lucky because I have an extremely rare HVR1 motif. My only FTDNA match is a family in California, USA, an immigrant from the same Parish (Paróquia) from Terceira Island, Azores, Portugal, that my mtDNA line came to Rio de Janeiro in 1857. (Mito/ Y Search; 2CUZQ) There are also two matches from Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, both from Brazil: One from Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, a region with a strong Azorean colonization. Melania T. DA CRUZ b. 1902 Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, Brazil Another one from Rio de Janeiro, unfortunately no name or contact was given I found the same two HVR1 mutations listed in 2 cases (unknown names, not mentioned) from Terceira Island as Haplogroup H 16262 16278 in the following scientific article: Mitochondrial DNA patterns in the Macaronesia islands: Variation within and among archipelagos. Santos et al 2010. H1ao1 - 3630 years estimate - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322232/bin/mmc1.pdf FTDNA – H1ao1 FMS matches - HVR1, HVR2, AND CODING REGION MATCHES Genetic Distance 2 - Germany Genetic Distance 3 - Ireland and Spain (Valladolid) I suppose my H1ao1 mtDNA originated in Iberia (Catholic, Old Christian from the Reconquista) and went to the Azores with the first Povoadores where the 16262T mutation occurred, so that’s an exclusive Azorean motif related to the Atlantic expansion of the Portuguese Empire in Ilha Terceira and in Brazil. Ricardo De: gfsche...@gmail.comEnviada: Domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 15:48Para: azores@googlegroups.comAssunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca Antonio, Yes, that is how mtDNA works. Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Yes, Ricardo, you were our first mtDNA match in the project. Lucky for you, you had that rare mutation on HVR1. Tish, the full mtDNA sequence used to be $600 or so when it first came out. Now it's $200 (this is all US Dollars). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Hi Ricardo You match my father Manuel Faria through family finder. On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:19:30 PM UTC-7, Ricardo Costa de Oliveira wrote: Salve I have an Azorean H1ao1 mtDNA lineage from Ilha Terceira, Ribeirinha and Porto Judeu. My HVR1 motif is 16262T,16278T,16519C I am lucky because I have an extremely rare HVR1 motif. My only FTDNA match is a family in California, USA, an immigrant from the same Parish (Paróquia) from Terceira Island, Azores, Portugal, that my mtDNA line came to Rio de Janeiro in 1857. (Mito/ Y Search; 2CUZQ) There are also two matches from Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, both from Brazil: One from Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, a region with a strong Azorean colonization. Melania T. DA CRUZ b. 1902 Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, Brazil Another one from Rio de Janeiro, unfortunately no name or contact was given I found the same two HVR1 mutations listed in 2 cases (unknown names, not mentioned) from Terceira Island as Haplogroup H 16262 16278 in the following scientific article: Mitochondrial DNA patterns in the Macaronesia islands: Variation within and among archipelagos. Santos et al 2010. H1ao1 - 3630 years estimate - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322232/bin/mmc1.pdf FTDNA – H1ao1 FMS matches - HVR1, HVR2, AND CODING REGION MATCHES Genetic Distance 2 - Germany Genetic Distance 3 - Ireland and Spain (Valladolid) I suppose my H1ao1 mtDNA originated in Iberia (Catholic, Old Christian from the Reconquista) and went to the Azores with the first Povoadores where the 16262T mutation occurred, so that’s an exclusive Azorean motif related to the Atlantic expansion of the Portuguese Empire in Ilha Terceira and in Brazil. Ricardo -- *De:* gfsc...@gmail.com javascript: *Enviada:* Domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 15:48 *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca Antonio, Yes, that is how mtDNA works. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com http://../../../undefined/compose?to=azores. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Cheri, I agree $200 is not a bad price, but I think for many, it's over the top for what it provides. I still think Family Finder will give people the most hits for their money at this point. On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:43 PM, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ricardo You match my father Manuel Faria through family finder. On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:19:30 PM UTC-7, Ricardo Costa de Oliveira wrote: Salve I have an Azorean H1ao1 mtDNA lineage from Ilha Terceira, Ribeirinha and Porto Judeu. My HVR1 motif is 16262T,16278T,16519C I am lucky because I have an extremely rare HVR1 motif. My only FTDNA match is a family in California, USA, an immigrant from the same Parish (Paróquia) from Terceira Island, Azores, Portugal, that my mtDNA line came to Rio de Janeiro in 1857. (Mito/ Y Search; 2CUZQ) There are also two matches from Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, both from Brazil: One from Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, a region with a strong Azorean colonization. Melania T. DA CRUZ b. 1902 Porto Belo, Santa Catarina, Brazil Another one from Rio de Janeiro, unfortunately no name or contact was given I found the same two HVR1 mutations listed in 2 cases (unknown names, not mentioned) from Terceira Island as Haplogroup H 16262 16278 in the following scientific article: Mitochondrial DNA patterns in the Macaronesia islands: Variation within and among archipelagos. Santos et al 2010. H1ao1 - 3630 years estimate - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ pmc/articles/PMC3322232/bin/mmc1.pdf FTDNA – H1ao1 FMS matches - HVR1, HVR2, AND CODING REGION MATCHES Genetic Distance 2 - Germany Genetic Distance 3 - Ireland and Spain (Valladolid) I suppose my H1ao1 mtDNA originated in Iberia (Catholic, Old Christian from the Reconquista) and went to the Azores with the first Povoadores where the 16262T mutation occurred, so that’s an exclusive Azorean motif related to the Atlantic expansion of the Portuguese Empire in Ilha Terceira and in Brazil. Ricardo -- *De:* gfsc...@gmail.com *Enviada:* Domingo, 3 de Agosto de 2014 15:48 *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca Antonio, Yes, that is how mtDNA works. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com http://../../../undefined/compose?to=azores. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca
Hi Antonio,Nice find.This is also why I think it's almost just as important to do mt-DNA testing as Y-DNA testing.In fact, I have come to think the most important testing is Y-DNA, then Family Finder, then mt-DNA and the only reason Family Finder is second is that it gives you the MyOrigins look at all your ancestry. But to learn the most we need many, many, many more people to test both Y and mtDNA.I just convinced an old friend of mine to get it done. Someone we both are related to with Pico ancestry.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA a Sampling of Crypto-Jewish descendents in North East Portugal district of Braganca From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com Date: Sat, August 02, 2014 4:20 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Everyone,I found this to be interesting and thought I would share it.http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014140a.htmlAntonio -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
