Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-28 Thread JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
An excellent article, thanks George.   Very informative and answered every
one of my questions.

Debbie


On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:01 AM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Hi George,
> Thanks for this. I was going to do some research on this as well because I
> was wondering the same. I will read this when I have some time.
>
> Leonor
>
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 12:31, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting reading.  Thanks for sharing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *George Medeiros 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:11 AM
>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is a link in regards to why slave would be baptized and how common
>> was the
>>
>> practice,
>>
>>
>> https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2017/winter/feature/moldy-church-records-in-latin-america-document-the-lives-millions-slaves
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:18 AM, George Medeiros 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading
>> about the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the
>> fifteenth century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from
>> Africa out of fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought
>> with the slaves. The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once
>> baptized that person was subject to the Church’s teaching.
>>
>> A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church
>> required it to be done. George Medeiros
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious
>> as what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to
>> be baptized? Anybody know?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Debbie,
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may
>> be able to shed some light on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the
>> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>> jessdeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on
>> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.
>> I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone
>> explain?
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an
>> adult.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *
>> leonor@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this
>> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I
>> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say
>> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any
>> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-28 Thread Leonor Bertoni 
Hi George,
Thanks for this. I was going to do some research on this as well because I
was wondering the same. I will read this when I have some time.

Leonor

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 12:31, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Interesting reading.  Thanks for sharing.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *George Medeiros 
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:11 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>
>
>
> Here is a link in regards to why slave would be baptized and how common
> was the
>
> practice,
>
>
> https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2017/winter/feature/moldy-church-records-in-latin-america-document-the-lives-millions-slaves
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:18 AM, George Medeiros 
> wrote:
>
> You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading
> about the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the
> fifteenth century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from
> Africa out of fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought
> with the slaves. The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once
> baptized that person was subject to the Church’s teaching.
>
> A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros 
> wrote:
>
> The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church
> required it to be done. George Medeiros
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious
> as what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to
> be baptized? Anybody know?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Debbie,
>
>
>
> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may
> be able to shed some light on it.
>
>
>
> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the
> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on
> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.
> I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone
> explain?
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an adult.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *
> leonor@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>
>
>
> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this as
> a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I
> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say
> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any
> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>
>
>
> TIA
>
> Leonor
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-28 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
Interesting reading.  Thanks for sharing.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: George Medeiros
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:11 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

Here is a link in regards to why slave would be baptized and how common was the
practice,
https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2017/winter/feature/moldy-church-records-in-latin-america-document-the-lives-millions-slaves

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:18 AM, George Medeiros  wrote:
You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading about 
the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the fifteenth 
century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from Africa out of 
fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought with the slaves. 
The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once baptized that person 
was subject to the Church’s teaching.
A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros 

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros  wrote:
The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church required 
it to be done. George Medeiros 
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious as 
what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to be 
baptized? Anybody know?


On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
Debbie,

It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may be 
able to shed some light on it. 

Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the Dutch. 
Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca  
wrote:
So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on slavery 
in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.   I just don’t 
understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone explain?
Debbie



On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:
Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an adult.
 
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH
 
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
 
 
 
From: azo...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
leonor@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
 
This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this as a 
baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I think I 
see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say that the priest 
had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any idea if this would 
have been a baby or an adult?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
 
TIA
Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-28 Thread George Medeiros 
Here is a link in regards to why slave would be baptized and how common was the
practice,
https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2017/winter/feature/moldy-church-records-in-latin-america-document-the-lives-millions-slaves


Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:18 AM, George Medeiros  wrote:
> 
> You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading 
> about the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the 
> fifteenth century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from 
> Africa out of fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought 
> with the slaves. The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once 
> baptized that person was subject to the Church’s teaching.
> A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros  wrote:
>> 
>> The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church 
>> required it to be done. George Medeiros 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious as 
>>> what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to be 
>>> baptized? Anybody know?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
 Debbie,
 
 It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may 
 be able to shed some light on it. 
 
 Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the 
 Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
 Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
>  wrote:
> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on 
> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.  
>  I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can 
> anyone explain?
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>  wrote:
>> Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an adult.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> Richard Francis Pimentel
>> 
>> Epping, NH
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: azo...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> leonor@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this 
>> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, 
>> I think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this 
>> say that the priest had to get special permission to perform this 
>> baptism? Any idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-28 Thread George Medeiros 
You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading about 
the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the fifteenth 
century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from Africa out of 
fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought with the slaves. 
The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once baptized that person 
was subject to the Church’s teaching.
A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros  wrote:
> 
> The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church 
> required it to be done. George Medeiros 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious as 
>> what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to be 
>> baptized? Anybody know?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> Debbie,
>>> 
>>> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may be 
>>> able to shed some light on it. 
>>> 
>>> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the 
>>> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
  wrote:
 So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on 
 slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.   
 I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone 
 explain?
 Debbie
 
 
 
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an adult.
> 
>  
> 
> Rick
> 
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> 
> Epping, NH
> 
>  
> 
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: azo...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> leonor@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
> 
>  
> 
> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this 
> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I 
> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say 
> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? 
> Any idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
> 
>  
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
> 
>  
> 
> TIA
> 
> Leonor
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-27 Thread leonor . bertoni 
Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious as 
what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to be 
baptized? Anybody know?


On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Debbie,
>
> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may 
> be able to shed some light on it. 
>
> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the 
> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdeb...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on 
>> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.   
>> I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone 
>> explain?
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.fran...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>> *Yes,** it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an 
>>> adult.*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  >> > *On Behalf Of *leonor@gmail.com 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this 
>>> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I 
>>> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say 
>>> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any 
>>> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-26 Thread Cheri Mello 
Debbie,

It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may be
able to shed some light on it.

Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the
Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on
> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.
> I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone
> explain?
> Debbie
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Yes,** it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an
>> adult.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *
>> leonor.bert...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this
>> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I
>> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say
>> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any
>> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>>
>>
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Leonor
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-26 Thread JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on
slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.
I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone
explain?
Debbie



On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Yes,** it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an
> adult.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *
> leonor.bert...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>
>
>
> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this as
> a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I
> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say
> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any
> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>
>
>
> TIA
>
> Leonor
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

2019-03-26 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an adult.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
leonor.bert...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

 

This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this as a 
baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I think I 
see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say that the priest 
had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any idea if this would 
have been a baby or an adult?

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html

 

TIA

Leonor

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