Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge, Jose Teixeira de Quadros, 1789-1875
Yeah, but you know how they kinda clip off the endings when they speak. So that's why I was wondering if it was supposed to be a closer spelling to Latin. But then again, they probably would have needed to spell out the Latin, regardless of how they may have clipped it off in speech. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:49 PM Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Latin would have been longer, Josephus and can't remember what Joam is but > it's longer! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:47 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Maybe it was a closer spelling to Latin?? >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:45 PM Rosemarie Capodicci >> wrote: >> >>> Donna, you will find that Joao/Joam, Sao/Sam (for Sam Jorge) and just >>> about any name ending in "O" can be written with an "M" in the earlier time >>> periods. The Priests also had a bad habit, in myh opinion, of writing >>> Jorge and Jose in English--George & Jozeph/Joseph. Who knows why! >>> >>> Rosemarie >>> rcap...@gmail.com >>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:27 PM DonnaO wrote: >>> Thank you Bill, I just wanted confirmation that Joam and João are the same name. You've been very helpful! -Donna On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: > > I believe the baptism you found is the one you are looking for. I see > it as Jose, son of Joam Teixeira de Quadros and Maria do Rosario. He > would > have turned 90 3 months before he died and the priest said 89 years old > more or less. > > Joam and João are the same name (Portuguese equivalent to John). Joam > is just an older spelling. It is always João today, but could have been > Joam through the about the mid-19th century. > > Bill Seidler > > On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote: >> >> Hi, Please help with info in the Obit of Jose Teixeria de Quadros >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879_item1/P44.html >> Top right, NO. 15. My question is: who is his father (??Joam, Joao, >> Joaquin??} >> >> This obit is for 3X great grandfather, Jose Teixeria de Quadros, aged >> 89, who died in 1875, widow of Maria de Sao Joao. Parents are ?? Teixeira >> de Quadros & Maria do Rosario. >> >> Need help reading the Obitos of Jose Teixeria de Quadros because >> marriage records are missing for his first marriage and no parents noted >> in >> his second marriage record, and the names Joam and Joao are so similiar. >> It >> may a handwriting question. >> Counting back from 1875, I have check Baptism records from 1784-1792 >> and found 1 that could be Jose Teixeria de Quadros’ parents, but the >> father’s name is Joam, instead I would expect the name to be Joao.( >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800_item1/P10.html >> ) >> >> In addition, Is there any other distinguishing information in the >> obit that might be important to note? >> >> Thank you in advance for your thoughts. -Donna >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge, Jose Teixeira de Quadros, 1789-1875
It is not that «just about any name ending in "O" can be written with an "M"» What happens is that the terminations "am" and "ão" have the same sound in Portuguese, even nowadays. Is is still a very common mistake to exchange one for the other in some words. For example, "eles comeram" (they ate) and "eles comerão" (they will eat) is a typical source of errors when one is learning to write. And the latin for João/John is Ioannes or Joannes. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:49 PM Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Latin would have been longer, Josephus and can't remember what Joam is but > it's longer! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:47 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Maybe it was a closer spelling to Latin?? >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:45 PM Rosemarie Capodicci >> wrote: >> >>> Donna, you will find that Joao/Joam, Sao/Sam (for Sam Jorge) and just >>> about any name ending in "O" can be written with an "M" in the earlier time >>> periods. The Priests also had a bad habit, in myh opinion, of writing >>> Jorge and Jose in English--George & Jozeph/Joseph. Who knows why! >>> >>> Rosemarie >>> rcap...@gmail.com >>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:27 PM DonnaO wrote: >>> Thank you Bill, I just wanted confirmation that Joam and João are the same name. You've been very helpful! -Donna On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: > > I believe the baptism you found is the one you are looking for. I see > it as Jose, son of Joam Teixeira de Quadros and Maria do Rosario. He > would > have turned 90 3 months before he died and the priest said 89 years old > more or less. > > Joam and João are the same name (Portuguese equivalent to John). Joam > is just an older spelling. It is always João today, but could have been > Joam through the about the mid-19th century. > > Bill Seidler > > On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote: >> >> Hi, Please help with info in the Obit of Jose Teixeria de Quadros >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879_item1/P44.html >> Top right, NO. 15. My question is: who is his father (??Joam, Joao, >> Joaquin??} >> >> This obit is for 3X great grandfather, Jose Teixeria de Quadros, aged >> 89, who died in 1875, widow of Maria de Sao Joao. Parents are ?? Teixeira >> de Quadros & Maria do Rosario. >> >> Need help reading the Obitos of Jose Teixeria de Quadros because >> marriage records are missing for his first marriage and no parents noted >> in >> his second marriage record, and the names Joam and Joao are so similiar. >> It >> may a handwriting question. >> Counting back from 1875, I have check Baptism records from 1784-1792 >> and found 1 that could be Jose Teixeria de Quadros’ parents, but the >> father’s name is Joam, instead I would expect the name to be Joao.( >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800_item1/P10.html >> ) >> >> In addition, Is there any other distinguishing information in the >> obit that might be important to note? >> >> Thank you in advance for your thoughts. -Donna >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge, Jose Teixeira de Quadros, 1789-1875
Latin would have been longer, Josephus and can't remember what Joam is but it's longer! Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:47 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > Maybe it was a closer spelling to Latin?? > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:45 PM Rosemarie Capodicci > wrote: > >> Donna, you will find that Joao/Joam, Sao/Sam (for Sam Jorge) and just >> about any name ending in "O" can be written with an "M" in the earlier time >> periods. The Priests also had a bad habit, in myh opinion, of writing >> Jorge and Jose in English--George & Jozeph/Joseph. Who knows why! >> >> Rosemarie >> rcap...@gmail.com >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:27 PM DonnaO wrote: >> >>> Thank you Bill, I just wanted confirmation that Joam and João are the >>> same name. You've been very helpful! -Donna >>> >>> On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the baptism you found is the one you are looking for. I see it as Jose, son of Joam Teixeira de Quadros and Maria do Rosario. He would have turned 90 3 months before he died and the priest said 89 years old more or less. Joam and João are the same name (Portuguese equivalent to John). Joam is just an older spelling. It is always João today, but could have been Joam through the about the mid-19th century. Bill Seidler On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote: > > Hi, Please help with info in the Obit of Jose Teixeria de Quadros > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879_item1/P44.html > Top right, NO. 15. My question is: who is his father (??Joam, Joao, > Joaquin??} > > This obit is for 3X great grandfather, Jose Teixeria de Quadros, aged > 89, who died in 1875, widow of Maria de Sao Joao. Parents are ?? Teixeira > de Quadros & Maria do Rosario. > > Need help reading the Obitos of Jose Teixeria de Quadros because > marriage records are missing for his first marriage and no parents noted > in > his second marriage record, and the names Joam and Joao are so similiar. > It > may a handwriting question. > Counting back from 1875, I have check Baptism records from 1784-1792 > and found 1 that could be Jose Teixeria de Quadros’ parents, but the > father’s name is Joam, instead I would expect the name to be Joao.( > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800_item1/P10.html > ) > > In addition, Is there any other distinguishing information in the obit > that might be important to note? > > Thank you in advance for your thoughts. -Donna > -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge, Jose Teixeira de Quadros, 1789-1875
Maybe it was a closer spelling to Latin?? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:45 PM Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Donna, you will find that Joao/Joam, Sao/Sam (for Sam Jorge) and just > about any name ending in "O" can be written with an "M" in the earlier time > periods. The Priests also had a bad habit, in myh opinion, of writing > Jorge and Jose in English--George & Jozeph/Joseph. Who knows why! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:27 PM DonnaO wrote: > >> Thank you Bill, I just wanted confirmation that Joam and João are the >> same name. You've been very helpful! -Donna >> >> On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I believe the baptism you found is the one you are looking for. I see >>> it as Jose, son of Joam Teixeira de Quadros and Maria do Rosario. He would >>> have turned 90 3 months before he died and the priest said 89 years old >>> more or less. >>> >>> Joam and João are the same name (Portuguese equivalent to John). Joam >>> is just an older spelling. It is always João today, but could have been >>> Joam through the about the mid-19th century. >>> >>> Bill Seidler >>> >>> On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote: Hi, Please help with info in the Obit of Jose Teixeria de Quadros http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879_item1/P44.html Top right, NO. 15. My question is: who is his father (??Joam, Joao, Joaquin??} This obit is for 3X great grandfather, Jose Teixeria de Quadros, aged 89, who died in 1875, widow of Maria de Sao Joao. Parents are ?? Teixeira de Quadros & Maria do Rosario. Need help reading the Obitos of Jose Teixeria de Quadros because marriage records are missing for his first marriage and no parents noted in his second marriage record, and the names Joam and Joao are so similiar. It may a handwriting question. Counting back from 1875, I have check Baptism records from 1784-1792 and found 1 that could be Jose Teixeria de Quadros’ parents, but the father’s name is Joam, instead I would expect the name to be Joao.( http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800_item1/P10.html ) In addition, Is there any other distinguishing information in the obit that might be important to note? Thank you in advance for your thoughts. -Donna >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge, Jose Teixeira de Quadros, 1789-1875
Donna, you will find that Joao/Joam, Sao/Sam (for Sam Jorge) and just about any name ending in "O" can be written with an "M" in the earlier time periods. The Priests also had a bad habit, in myh opinion, of writing Jorge and Jose in English--George & Jozeph/Joseph. Who knows why! Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:27 PM DonnaO wrote: > Thank you Bill, I just wanted confirmation that Joam and João are the same > name. You've been very helpful! -Donna > > On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I believe the baptism you found is the one you are looking for. I see it >> as Jose, son of Joam Teixeira de Quadros and Maria do Rosario. He would >> have turned 90 3 months before he died and the priest said 89 years old >> more or less. >> >> Joam and João are the same name (Portuguese equivalent to John). Joam is >> just an older spelling. It is always João today, but could have been Joam >> through the about the mid-19th century. >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Please help with info in the Obit of Jose Teixeria de Quadros >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879_item1/P44.html >>> Top right, NO. 15. My question is: who is his father (??Joam, Joao, >>> Joaquin??} >>> >>> This obit is for 3X great grandfather, Jose Teixeria de Quadros, aged >>> 89, who died in 1875, widow of Maria de Sao Joao. Parents are ?? Teixeira >>> de Quadros & Maria do Rosario. >>> >>> Need help reading the Obitos of Jose Teixeria de Quadros because >>> marriage records are missing for his first marriage and no parents noted in >>> his second marriage record, and the names Joam and Joao are so similiar. It >>> may a handwriting question. >>> Counting back from 1875, I have check Baptism records from 1784-1792 >>> and found 1 that could be Jose Teixeria de Quadros’ parents, but the >>> father’s name is Joam, instead I would expect the name to be Joao.( >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800_item1/P10.html >>> ) >>> >>> In addition, Is there any other distinguishing information in the obit >>> that might be important to note? >>> >>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts. -Donna >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
