Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
My maternal grandfather, who was born on Flores in 1852, became part of a whaling crew in about 1869, joining the crew of a whaling ship off the west coast of Flores. Unfortunately, we don't know a whole lot of what happened on that voyage except that they were almost caught in the big freeze of 1871 in which a number of whaling ships were frozen into the ice in Alaskan waters (some of which were crushed). My grandfather, from the information we have, jumped ship and ended up in San Francisco, I understand that the return from Alaskan waters may also have been via the Hawaiian Islands so it's possible that some crew members jumped ship there. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: *I think it was common knowledge that whalers from New England would stop in the Azores and pick up extra crew. After the trip the Whaler would go to New Bedford or any of the other ports in the US to deliver their catch and the crew would be paid and then left to their own means without returning them to the Azores.* *Rick* *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Spring, TX* *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *E Sharp *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:00 AM *To:* azores *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways There is/are ship(s) that brought people from the Azores to the US illegally and there is no ship's manifest documenting these people so trying to find them in a ship's manifest is highly unlikely. I often wondered if these people obtained a Passportes from the Azores since they entered the US illegally, did they leave the Azores illegally. E On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Antonio, At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser, whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I know of that just lists the stowaways into the USA. Rosemarie *From:* Antonio Roque roqueantonioro...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto? Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway? Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
My great grandfather, Jose Pereira aka Joseph Perry, from Sao Jorge, signed on as a cabin boy, I think 1853 on the Caravan whaler and jumped some ship off the coast of Mass. in 1865, made it to New Bedford, found an Azorean bride from Pico to come marry him, (sister to a woman coming to marry a friend of his), had 12 children and lived the rest of his life making cigars, a trade he learned when the whaler stopped in Brazil for an extended time..my FFinder shows 3rd cousins in Brazil..I wonder.. Nancy Jean From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:22:28 -0700 Some of them were workers on ships. They would jump ship on the East coast and then find their way to the West coast. My uncle (by marriage) said that his father told him that they would jump ship on the East coast. Then hide under the docks all day. Some of the Portuguese in the area would come out at night and bring them food. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: E Sharp To: azores Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways There is/are ship(s) that brought people from the Azores to the US illegally and there is no ship's manifest documenting these people so trying to find them in a ship's manifest is highly unlikely. I often wondered if these people obtained a Passportes from the Azores since they entered the US illegally, did they leave the Azores illegally. E On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Antonio, At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser, whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I know of that just lists the stowaways into the USA. Rosemarie From: Antonio Roque Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto? Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway? Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.?-- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
Some of them were workers on ships. They would jump ship on the East coast and then find their way to the West coast. My uncle (by marriage) said that his father told him that they would jump ship on the East coast. Then hide under the docks all day. Some of the Portuguese in the area would come out at night and bring them food. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: E Sharp To: azores Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways There is/are ship(s) that brought people from the Azores to the US illegally and there is no ship's manifest documenting these people so trying to find them in a ship's manifest is highly unlikely. I often wondered if these people obtained a Passportes from the Azores since they entered the US illegally, did they leave the Azores illegally. E On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Antonio, At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser, whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I know of that just lists the stowaways into the USA. Rosemarie From: Antonio Roque Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto? Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway? Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
Antonio, At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser, whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I know of that just lists the stowaways into the USA. Rosemarie From: Antonio Roque Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto? Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway? Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
There is/are ship(s) that brought people from the Azores to the US illegally and there is no ship's manifest documenting these people so trying to find them in a ship's manifest is highly unlikely. I often wondered if these people obtained a Passportes from the Azores since they entered the US illegally, did they leave the Azores illegally. E On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Antonio, At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser, whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I know of that just lists the stowaways into the USA. Rosemarie *From:* Antonio Roque roqueantonioro...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto? Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway? Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
I think it was common knowledge that whalers from New England would stop in the Azores and pick up extra crew. After the trip the Whaler would go to New Bedford or any of the other ports in the US to deliver their catch and the crew would be paid and then left to their own means without returning them to the Azores. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E Sharp Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:00 AM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways There is/are ship(s) that brought people from the Azores to the US illegally and there is no ship's manifest documenting these people so trying to find them in a ship's manifest is highly unlikely. I often wondered if these people obtained a Passportes from the Azores since they entered the US illegally, did they leave the Azores illegally. E On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Antonio, At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser, whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I know of that just lists the stowaways into the USA. Rosemarie From: Antonio Roque mailto:roqueantonioro...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto? Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway? Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
Jose M, No, not from what I read, at least on the American end. If someone was able to stowaway, they would not be listed on the home country as leaving (otherwise they would not be a stowaway). Usually they would be discovered (they had to eat and use some type of potty after all) and would wind up being listed as an arrival on the American end. I don't remember if that information is from Michael C. Tepper's American Arrival Records or from John P. Colletta's They Came in Ships. Your local public library probably has both books. But I read that in one or the other. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
I think it is in John P. Colletta's book They Came in Ships. I have read Colletta but not the other one. On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Jose M, No, not from what I read, at least on the American end. If someone was able to stowaway, they would not be listed on the home country as leaving (otherwise they would not be a stowaway). Usually they would be discovered (they had to eat and use some type of potty after all) and would wind up being listed as an arrival on the American end. I don't remember if that information is from Michael C. Tepper's American Arrival Records or from John P. Colletta's They Came in Ships. Your local public library probably has both books. But I read that in one or the other. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways
Well, it must be Colletta then if 2 of us are remembering it that way. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
