Re: [backstage] Joost anyone?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Robert Kerry wrote: Email me if you'd like an invite - not sure how many I can give out though. :o) (belatedly) I work for Joost and have a few invites spare. Libby Rob evilgreenmonkey On 17/01/07, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea how i can get one of those? Already registered on the beta-testers list, Appreciate it, John. On 1/17/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, I would be very pleased to accept your token. Thanks in advance. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Menti Sent: 17 January 2007 06:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Joost anyone? On 1/16/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not after a review, I wish to use it! The message I got when I signed up was to ask someone else 'who has a token' to provide me with one. And if you don't ask you don't get. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Brian - let me know if you have received an invite off-list. If not, I can send you one. (Before anyone else asks, I only have this one spare token at the moment, but more may be forthcoming in future...) Mario. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- John Griffiths http://www.red91.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)
Sorry if you didn't get why this is a backstage issue, let me explain more carefully. I'm not sure how a torrent counts as the making [...] of a recording of a broadcast. Obviously, you can make a direct recording of a broadcast yourself for time-shifting purposes however you want (VCR, PVR, MythTV); but sharing that recording by torrent or any other means is certainly not covered by the section you quote (it refers to making not sharing, re-broadcasting, etc.), nor is downloading that torrent elsewhere (which is copying the recording of a broadcast, not making) Of course making a torrent is not making a recording of a broadcast. But you can use a PVR (Sky+), Media Center, Windows or Mac to record off-air onto a hard drive does, as does using a video cassette recorder with a video cassette or DVD-R burner with a blank DVD. The law allows you to make any recording you like and watch it where you like as long as the recording and viewing is done in domestic premises. You can pick up your laptop, PVR or computer and take it somewhere else and watch legally. Also you can copy from a PVR onto a DVD burner legally. Your PVR or PC can change the format of the recording (say, MPEG2 to WM9 or DivX) legally. So I really can't see how using a computer network such as BitTorrent breaks any law, as long as both parties are domestic. If it *IS* illegal then the Slingbox is illegal too, isn't it? Anyway, the point is this: *IF* it is legal to make recording in domestic premises of broadcast TV programmes (which it clearly is) *AND* *IF* it is legal to share the recordings in domestic premises of said recordings (which is appears to be) Then... What is the point of the BBC spending £1,200,000,000 pounds on setting up the iPlayer service when it could simply support any organization or individual who wanted to provide such a service from their home. I would have thought that support from backstage in the form of: - a BBC-programmes-on-trackers indexing service for the public - technical assistance to those who wish to record, encode and peer-to-peer fileshare BBC programmes, perhaps even with 'install packs' to make it simple for the viewer. - a prize fund of 1,000 free TV licences for those who contribute the most BBC recordings to the networks. - an idiots guide to installing the necessary clients for the average user. The advantage of using peer-to-peer distribution would mean a zero-cost to the BBC for bandwidth. I would have though the scope for backstage people to drive such as project would be huge, and could use any form of compression system (DivX, Xvid, WM9, MPEG2, MPEG4), resolution (HDTV, SDTV and iPod quarter-screen) and filesharing service. As long a domestic-to-domestic peer-to-peer networks are used (so the programmes never end up on a commercial server) I think the system could be legal. If PVRs with network ports could be networked together, this would be perfect. Anyway, I would prefer that the £1.2 billion was spent on new UK programme production, more journalists and local TV, rather than the iPlayer. If someone can provide some actual evidence that this would be illegal, I'll be happy to shut up about it, but I don't want Auntie spending over a billion quid if she doesn't need to. As long as the BBC can insist that a licence fee is paid by anyone who is watching a recording of a domestic broadcast at a second location this would not be a threat to BBC funding. IANAL, but it seems pretty clear to me, no matter what you think about the law as it stands. It's not a case of what I think about the law, it is my understanding of it. There is no legal precedent to support your position. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 26/01/2007 11:11 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Joost anyone?
yes please From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Libby Miller Sent: Sun 28/01/2007 12:17 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Joost anyone? On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Robert Kerry wrote: Email me if you'd like an invite - not sure how many I can give out though. :o) (belatedly) I work for Joost and have a few invites spare. Libby Rob evilgreenmonkey On 17/01/07, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea how i can get one of those? Already registered on the beta-testers list, Appreciate it, John. On 1/17/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, I would be very pleased to accept your token. Thanks in advance. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Menti Sent: 17 January 2007 06:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Joost anyone? On 1/16/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not after a review, I wish to use it! The message I got when I signed up was to ask someone else 'who has a token' to provide me with one. And if you don't ask you don't get. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Brian - let me know if you have received an invite off-list. If not, I can send you one. (Before anyone else asks, I only have this one spare token at the moment, but more may be forthcoming in future...) Mario. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 16:36 -- John Griffiths http://www.red91.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ Scottish Enterprise Network http://www.scottish-enterprise.com Address and Contact Numbers 150 Broomielaw 5 Atlantic Quay Glasgow G2 8LU. Tel: +44 (0)141 248 2700. Fax: +44 (0)141 221 3217 Message is sent in confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. winmail.dat
Re: [backstage] Joost anyone?
On 28/01/07, Libby Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Robert Kerry wrote: Email me if you'd like an invite - not sure how many I can give out though. :o) (belatedly) I work for Joost and have a few invites spare. Libby many thanks libby... much appreciated... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DRM
On 1/26/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flip side is that every format you add, has some extra setup costs of various magnitudes, and when belts have to be buckled because it's public money, why spend it when you're satisfying most people now. After all, how many people are not listening to (say) Radio 1 live online just because it's not being streamed in MP3 format. At least 10%, if not more. An interesting job to compare this with how many people listen to radio through Telewest, and the setup charges of that (even just the carriage fees). I'd argue strongly that streaming MP3 is better value. If this is your only criteria, incidentally, it's also not worth bothering with Ogg Vorbis. -- http://james.cridland.net/
