RE: [backstage] Microsoft TV - Live!
If it's Silverlight it will work fine on a Mac. Phil. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 06 July 2007 09:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Microsoft TV - Live! Applied... Symbolic irony? The woman in the site's stock art is sitting in the grass and using (presumably) LiveStation... on an iBook. Hah. ... Or is this a hint towards Microsoft implementing some of that much-vaunted platform agnosticism we all talk about but never seem to see much of? From: Simon Cobb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 July 2007 09:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Microsoft TV - Live! Microsoft Research beta 'livestation' - in Silverlight, yet! http://beta.livestation.com/ I tried to sign up for this but got the following reply: Thanks for your request to sign up for the LiveStation beta technical trial. We are currently running a public technical trial and this means that we are growing the user base in a controlled manner to monitor how growth affects a variety of LiveStation parameters. Due to the popularity of the trial, we cannot guarantee your request to participate will be successful at this stage. However, we will endeavour to ensure you are on the next phase of the release, coming soon. Thanks again for your interest, we look forward to bringing live TV to your computer very soon! The LiveStation Team Found out about livestation from mashable.com: Found it in this news story: http://mashable.com/2007/07/05/livestation/ -- received to: andyb.com Message ID : o6a213ae422214105856127ad63c1186e.pro Sender ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Msg Size : 5k This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses, though it is not guaranteed virus free. Original Recipient: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Original Sender : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Send Date: 09/07/2007 - 09:53:53
[backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue - any APIs yet? (also IMDB api etc.)
Hey all. This list is growing a little quiet, isn't it? I'm working with a friend on a .Net/C# media centre application. We were having problems with other similar systems due to either their lack of decent metadata handling or their dependency on a specific renderer (poor subtitle rendering, codec problems etc). I've been working this past weekend on the media library code (business objects, etc). It's pretty simple stuff. It would, however, be nice to bring in far more information about each programme or film than is in the file's own metadata (which is often quite poor). On to my questions: Has anyone yet been able to create an API around the BBC Programme Catalogue? It seems this would be the best data source to use so far. Other than the BBC data, I've looked briefly into using the IMDB API (3rd party thing from http://www.trynt.com/trynt-movie-imdb-api/) and the Amazon API. Does anyone here have experience and/or advice on this? Should I be considering other APIs as well? Is there a MusicBrainz-equivalent video system that could also be used? thanks in advance - Jonathan Squiggle Powell
RE: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue - any APIs yet? (also IMDB api etc.)
Gave Trynt a try - not impressed. Only one search was successful and that returned no data :( IMDB support tools that download a local copy of their database, keep it updated and some decent search utilities. Its pretty old (goes back to the days when Usenet was the primary distribution channel) and not that fast, but more then adequate for me... ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/mirrors1/ftp.imdb.com/pub/tools/ Terry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Powell Sent: Monday, 9 July, 2007 19:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue - any APIs yet? (also IMDB api etc.) Hey all. This list is growing a little quiet, isn't it? I'm working with a friend on a .Net/C# media centre application. We were having problems with other similar systems due to either their lack of decent metadata handling or their dependency on a specific renderer (poor subtitle rendering, codec problems etc). I've been working this past weekend on the media library code (business objects, etc). It's pretty simple stuff. It would, however, be nice to bring in far more information about each programme or film than is in the file's own metadata (which is often quite poor). On to my questions: Has anyone yet been able to create an API around the BBC Programme Catalogue? It seems this would be the best data source to use so far. Other than the BBC data, I've looked briefly into using the IMDB API (3rd party thing from http://www.trynt.com/trynt-movie-imdb-api/) and the Amazon API. Does anyone here have experience and/or advice on this? Should I be considering other APIs as well? Is there a MusicBrainz-equivalent video system that could also be used? thanks in advance - Jonathan Squiggle Powell
[backstage] data streaming into video
Hello Backstage, thinking about how wonderfully modular our web/information has become (eg google home page, blogger web site creation, mambo/opensource CMS web pages), is it conceivable video content goes likewise? i'm picturing a corporate or training video i make for someone. the core content is timeless* so i'd love whoever's watching it to be also getting a bloomberg style modular/ticker approach fed with up-to-date data while they're watching it. eg latest company news from XYZ inc tickering along the bottom and live market data spewing down the right column while the why invest in XYZ core content is churning along. Even if timeless is a six week shelf life, this would be impressive during an investor roadshow with no extra work required. of course that effect is easily done on a webpage/screensaver/dog toy right now... but a video player which is more like a browser, with a Video ML language relating to module positions and data source, whether its video or 15-min-delayed FTSE data... it assumes that every web or disc media player will be connected to the web. what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! best James * although in ten years everyone's gonna be laughing at our waxed eyebrows and black suits... leggings and perms will be back by then i tell you - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] data streaming into video
James, Interesting... Surely the point of Aston type graphics (in vision, non-interactive) is that they are for passive viewing, as a mouse+menu is 1% better if you are online (rather than selecting from one-to-many broadcast streams)? On 09/07/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Backstage, thinking about how wonderfully modular our web/information has become (eg google home page, blogger web site creation, mambo/opensource CMS web pages), is it conceivable video content goes likewise? i'm picturing a corporate or training video i make for someone. the core content is timeless* so i'd love whoever's watching it to be also getting a bloomberg style modular/ticker approach fed with up-to-date data while they're watching it. eg latest company news from XYZ inc tickering along the bottom and live market data spewing down the right column while the why invest in XYZ core content is churning along. Even if timeless is a six week shelf life, this would be impressive during an investor roadshow with no extra work required. of course that effect is easily done on a webpage/screensaver/dog toy right now... but a video player which is more like a browser, with a Video ML language relating to module positions and data source, whether its video or 15-min-delayed FTSE data... it assumes that every web or disc media player will be connected to the web. what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! best James * although in ten years everyone's gonna be laughing at our waxed eyebrows and black suits... leggings and perms will be back by then i tell you - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue - any APIs yet? (also IMDB api etc.)
On to my questions: Has anyone yet been able to create an API around the BBC Programme Catalogue? It seems this would be the best data source to use so far. the BBC Programme Catalogue is already one big restful API... which may be enough for your needs, depending... replace 'infax' in with 'xml' in any url and see what you get back eg http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/programme/ICYD984E http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/on_this_day/2003/8/13 http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/contributor/2221 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Microsoft TV - Live!
The BBC haven't help Skinkers with the development of Live Station. They've been in a couple of times to show us what they've created. Paul (BBC) On Sun Jul 8 2:20 , 'Christopher Woods' [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Interesting, I remember using the Skinkers BBC News desktop widget many moons ago... Maybe the BBC's got a hand or is lending a little resources in the development of Live Station with an aim to using it or broadcasting via it down the line? That's some nice wishful thinking. -Original Message- From: Ross Fenning [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 July 2007 22:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Microsoft TV - Live! From what I hear, it's not Microsoft's http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx\?article=40840 On 06/07/07, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft Research beta 'livestation' - in Silverlight, yet! http://beta.livestation.com/ I tried to sign up for this but got the following reply: Thanks for your request to sign up for the LiveStation beta technical trial. We are currently running a public technical trial and this means that we are growing the user base in a controlled manner to monitor how growth affects a variety of LiveStation parameters. Due to the popularity of the trial, we cannot guarantee your request to participate will be successful at this stage. However, we will endeavour to ensure you are on the next phase of the release, coming soon. Thanks again for your interest, we look forward to bringing live TV to your computer very soon! The LiveStation Team Found out about livestation from mashable.com: Found it in this news story: http://mashable.com/2007/07/05/livestation/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] data streaming into video
oh yes, web can do it better... i'm talking about a format which could be read by a wi-fi/internet enabled VCD/DVD player for example...the core content and the feed instructions are all on the video file assuming files and discs aren't redundant by then anyway. researching Aston graphics now cheers! On 09/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Interesting... Surely the point of Aston type graphics (in vision, non-interactive) is that they are for passive viewing, as a mouse+menu is 1% better if you are online (rather than selecting from one-to-many broadcast streams)? On 09/07/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Backstage, thinking about how wonderfully modular our web/information has become (eg google home page, blogger web site creation, mambo/opensource CMS web pages), is it conceivable video content goes likewise? i'm picturing a corporate or training video i make for someone. the core content is timeless* so i'd love whoever's watching it to be also getting a bloomberg style modular/ticker approach fed with up-to-date data while they're watching it. eg latest company news from XYZ inc tickering along the bottom and live market data spewing down the right column while the why invest in XYZ core content is churning along. Even if timeless is a six week shelf life, this would be impressive during an investor roadshow with no extra work required. of course that effect is easily done on a webpage/screensaver/dog toy right now... but a video player which is more like a browser, with a Video ML language relating to module positions and data source, whether its video or 15-min-delayed FTSE data... it assumes that every web or disc media player will be connected to the web. what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! best James * although in ten years everyone's gonna be laughing at our waxed eyebrows and black suits... leggings and perms will be back by then i tell you - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] data streaming into video
But if it's internet enabled, there is no need for clunky interactive TV features (because it's video loops plus a carousel). I would really like BBC News 24 on Freeview/cable to carry regional news headlines in-vision using the technique you suggest (it can't be done on satellite, no regional feeds) though... On 09/07/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yes, web can do it better... i'm talking about a format which could be read by a wi-fi/internet enabled VCD/DVD player for example...the core content and the feed instructions are all on the video file assuming files and discs aren't redundant by then anyway. researching Aston graphics now cheers! On 09/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Interesting... Surely the point of Aston type graphics (in vision, non-interactive) is that they are for passive viewing, as a mouse+menu is 1% better if you are online (rather than selecting from one-to-many broadcast streams)? On 09/07/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Backstage, thinking about how wonderfully modular our web/information has become (eg google home page, blogger web site creation, mambo/opensource CMS web pages), is it conceivable video content goes likewise? i'm picturing a corporate or training video i make for someone. the core content is timeless* so i'd love whoever's watching it to be also getting a bloomberg style modular/ticker approach fed with up-to-date data while they're watching it. eg latest company news from XYZ inc tickering along the bottom and live market data spewing down the right column while the why invest in XYZ core content is churning along. Even if timeless is a six week shelf life, this would be impressive during an investor roadshow with no extra work required. of course that effect is easily done on a webpage/screensaver/dog toy right now... but a video player which is more like a browser, with a Video ML language relating to module positions and data source, whether its video or 15-min-delayed FTSE data... it assumes that every web or disc media player will be connected to the web. what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! best James * although in ten years everyone's gonna be laughing at our waxed eyebrows and black suits... leggings and perms will be back by then i tell you - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue - any APIs yet? (also IMDB api etc.)
On 7/9/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On to my questions: Has anyone yet been able to create an API around the BBC Programme Catalogue? It seems this would be the best data source to use so far. the BBC Programme Catalogue is already one big restful API... which may be enough for your needs, depending... replace 'infax' in with 'xml' in any url and see what you get back eg http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/programme/ICYD984E http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/on_this_day/2003/8/13 http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/contributor/2221 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Ah! Excellent. Very useful, especially if you know the exact name or ID number of the program/actor/etc. Might prove a little tricky if you've got incomplete data on a show... but I might be tempted to spend some time tonight putting this in a .Net assembly :)
[backstage] Edinburgh TV Un-festival- 25th August
Hi All, I wanted to fill you all in on a event we've been working on behind the scenes. And this time its not in London ;) Here's the official blurb... This year the MGEITF has spawned its own fringe event, the Un-Festival. This day-long event which takes place on Saturday 25 August will centre around the clash of the well established TV world and the constantly accelerating Internet world using the unusual un-conference format, where the cost of entry is participation. The highlights from the Un-Festival will be presented at this special session, giving everyone a chance to speculate on the future of TV, online entertainment and cross platform narratives. Every year the international TV festival holds a few sessions on the future of online TV, etc. Every year it falls short of the mark. Well not this year because BBC Backstage is running the show. I'm getting together a real solid line up of people including people from Joost, Microsoft, BT, BBC, Google, etc. But I'm also inviting some of the people from the darker areas of online TV like the guys behind some of the cleverest p2p sites online today. Generally the mix should be quite amazing, but we're not done yet. Everyone who goes to the fringe un-festival will receive a free ticket into the main dinner on Saturday night and Free entry on Sunday all day. How's that for a deal? I'll be launching the sign up page for the event soon with lots more details but till then get your hotels booked. I hope to see you all there! Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ x ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Events this month
For those who don't live near Edinburgh, don’t worry there's quite a few events in London this month including, http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/208191 - London Ruby Group (today) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/207950 - 5 Pound App meet (tomorrow) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/215979 - Werewolf night (Wednesday) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/213538 - Pub standards (Thursday) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/216210 - Geekdinner with Brady Forrest from O'Reilly (next Monday) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/215249 - Free Beer on July 27th Enjoy! Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue - any APIs yet?)
I've been following the Programme Catalogue since it was announced, and its pretty interesting. I do however have a question for the BBC people on the list - have you considered simply uploading all the information to Freebase[1]? I can understand that you might want to keep it in house, but if you merged it with the wealth of information on Freebase you can do exponentially more. For example, if it was properly integrated you could run a query that would tell me how many of the contributors to Spooks series 2 were born in London. Regards, Oli [1] http://www.freebase.com - A very cool structured database, currently handling 2.3 million instances of 870 'types', On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 17:42 +0100, Jonathan Powell wrote: On 7/9/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On to my questions: Has anyone yet been able to create an API around the BBC Programme Catalogue? It seems this would be the best data source to use so far. the BBC Programme Catalogue is already one big restful API... which may be enough for your needs, depending... replace 'infax' in with 'xml' in any url and see what you get back eg http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/programme/ICYD984E http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/on_this_day/2003/8/13 http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/xml/contributor/2221 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Ah! Excellent. Very useful, especially if you know the exact name or ID number of the program/actor/etc. Might prove a little tricky if you've got incomplete data on a show... but I might be tempted to spend some time tonight putting this in a .Net assembly :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?))
I was considering entering a hack for Hack Day around that very thing. But then they went and made me one of the judges ;-) Wanna help? A simple set of scripts that scrape the archive (er I mean call that big RESTful API) and post entries/updates to the freebase sandbox server would be an interesting experiment. I agree that freebase is an amazing resource, especially when the programme data is curated properly: compare http://www.freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80012406 with http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DOCTOR+WHO ! There may be some rights issues around what would basically amount to opening up the programme catalogue under the creative commons attribution license, where the attribution wouldn't go to the BBC but to Freebase... Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oliver Cole Sent: 09 July 2007 20:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?) I've been following the Programme Catalogue since it was announced, and its pretty interesting. I do however have a question for the BBC people on the list - have you considered simply uploading all the information to Freebase[1]? I can understand that you might want to keep it in house, but if you merged it with the wealth of information on Freebase you can do exponentially more. For example, if it was properly integrated you could run a query that would tell me how many of the contributors to Spooks series 2 were born in London. Regards, Oli [1] http://www.freebase.com - A very cool structured database, currently handling 2.3 million instances of 870 'types' - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?))
http://catalogue.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DR+WHO holy synonomous concepts, batman... (http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DOCTOR+WHO) point is, it would be easy to merge these on freebase, nearly impossible directly in the BBC Programme Catalogue context... suppose this all has to do with the different purposes of the 2 products... arguably, the BBC has done it's part by making the Catalogue data available via RDF and Atom? if freebase is a useful (interim) destination for this data, isn't the assumption that the community will make it happen? (hint, hint?) best-- --cs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brendan Quinn Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 9:30 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?)) I was considering entering a hack for Hack Day around that very thing. But then they went and made me one of the judges ;-) Wanna help? A simple set of scripts that scrape the archive (er I mean call that big RESTful API) and post entries/updates to the freebase sandbox server would be an interesting experiment. I agree that freebase is an amazing resource, especially when the programme data is curated properly: compare http://www.freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80012406 with http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DOCTOR+WHO ! There may be some rights issues around what would basically amount to opening up the programme catalogue under the creative commons attribution license, where the attribution wouldn't go to the BBC but to Freebase... Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oliver Cole Sent: 09 July 2007 20:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?) I've been following the Programme Catalogue since it was announced, and its pretty interesting. I do however have a question for the BBC people on the list - have you considered simply uploading all the information to Freebase[1]? I can understand that you might want to keep it in house, but if you merged it with the wealth of information on Freebase you can do exponentially more. For example, if it was properly integrated you could run a query that would tell me how many of the contributors to Spooks series 2 were born in London. Regards, Oli [1] http://www.freebase.com - A very cool structured database, currently handling 2.3 million instances of 870 'types' - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Re: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?))
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 21:30 +0100, Brendan Quinn wrote: I was considering entering a hack for Hack Day around that very thing. But then they went and made me one of the judges ;-) Wanna help? A simple set of scripts that scrape the archive (er I mean call that big RESTful API) and post entries/updates to the freebase sandbox server would be an interesting experiment. I've not yet (bulk) posted data on Freebase - I'll take a look at this when I'm more au fait with it. compare http://www.freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80012406 with http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DOCTOR+WHO ! Freebase is still in alpha as far as I know - those who can't see the first link can see a screenshot at: http://cornflakes.imen.org.uk/~oli/DrWho.png Those who are particularly interested can feel free to ask me for one of my remaining 4 invites - and I imagine Brendan has some too. There may be some rights issues around what would basically amount to opening up the programme catalogue under the creative commons attribution license, where the attribution wouldn't go to the BBC but to Freebase... Well, the RDF for the catalogue links to http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/05/api_licence.html: The BBC grants to You a ... non-sublicensable right to copy... Further: d. not publish, distribute or otherwise make the APIs available, (including in any Work You create), in a way that would enable other people to download or use the APIs other than as set out in this Licence. I don't see any legal way that we can export the data to Freebase and relicense it as CC-BY. I don't think it can be done without a relicensing of the catalogue - I guess its lucky you didn't go ahead and write that script at Hack day :) Would you be able to get the appropriate BBC people to get this done? Regards, Oli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oliver Cole Sent: 09 July 2007 20:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?) I've been following the Programme Catalogue since it was announced, and its pretty interesting. I do however have a question for the BBC people on the list - have you considered simply uploading all the information to Freebase[1]? I can understand that you might want to keep it in house, but if you merged it with the wealth of information on Freebase you can do exponentially more. For example, if it was properly integrated you could run a query that would tell me how many of the contributors to Spooks series 2 were born in London. Regards, Oli [1] http://www.freebase.com - A very cool structured database, currently handling 2.3 million instances of 870 'types' - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] RE: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?))
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 22:05 +0100, Chris Sizemore wrote: holy synonomous concepts, batman... point is, it would be easy to merge these on freebase, nearly impossible directly in the BBC Programme Catalogue context... Indeed, Freebase is superior in this regard. arguably, the BBC has done it's part by making the Catalogue data available via RDF and Atom? if freebase is a useful (interim) destination for this data, isn't the assumption that the community will make it happen? (hint, hint?) I believe the community would make it happen if the license allowed it to happen. The problem is that the BBC took the obvious step of applying the Backstage API license to the data on the Catalogue, which is more of a database than an API... See my other post for license discussion. Regards, Oli best-- --cs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brendan Quinn Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 9:30 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?)) I was considering entering a hack for Hack Day around that very thing. But then they went and made me one of the judges ;-) Wanna help? A simple set of scripts that scrape the archive (er I mean call that big RESTful API) and post entries/updates to the freebase sandbox server would be an interesting experiment. I agree that freebase is an amazing resource, especially when the programme data is curated properly: compare http://www.freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80012406 with http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DOCTOR+WHO ! There may be some rights issues around what would basically amount to opening up the programme catalogue under the creative commons attribution license, where the attribution wouldn't go to the BBC but to Freebase... Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oliver Cole Sent: 09 July 2007 20:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?) I've been following the Programme Catalogue since it was announced, and its pretty interesting. I do however have a question for the BBC people on the list - have you considered simply uploading all the information to Freebase[1]? I can understand that you might want to keep it in house, but if you merged it with the wealth of information on Freebase you can do exponentially more. For example, if it was properly integrated you could run a query that would tell me how many of the contributors to Spooks series 2 were born in London. Regards, Oli [1] http://www.freebase.com - A very cool structured database, currently handling 2.3 million instances of 870 'types' - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Re: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?))
On 09/07/07, Oliver Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 21:30 +0100, Brendan Quinn wrote: I was considering entering a hack for Hack Day around that very thing. But then they went and made me one of the judges ;-) Wanna help? A simple set of scripts that scrape the archive (er I mean call that big RESTful API) and post entries/updates to the freebase sandbox server would be an interesting experiment. I've not yet (bulk) posted data on Freebase - I'll take a look at this when I'm more au fait with it. compare http://www.freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80012406 with http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DOCTOR+WHO ! Freebase is still in alpha as far as I know - those who can't see the first link can see a screenshot at: http://cornflakes.imen.org.uk/~oli/DrWho.png Those who are particularly interested can feel free to ask me for one of my remaining 4 invites - and I imagine Brendan has some too. There may be some rights issues around what would basically amount to opening up the programme catalogue under the creative commons attribution license, where the attribution wouldn't go to the BBC but to Freebase... Well, the RDF for the catalogue links to http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/05/api_licence.html: The BBC grants to You a ... non-sublicensable right to copy... Further: d. not publish, distribute or otherwise make the APIs available, (including in any Work You create), in a way that would enable other people to download or use the APIs other than as set out in this Licence. standard backstage API licence - it was the only one lying around at the time... (nov 2005) I don't see any legal way that we can export the data to Freebase and relicense it as CC-BY. yeah... the attribution back to BBC kinda matters... though given the programmes are clearly BBC programmes, I'm not sure it's the end of the world... Would you be able to get the appropriate BBC people to get this done? I'll do a bit of lobbying... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
