RE: [backstage] A bit late
One possible alternative is some national newspaper publish articles about how parents are outraged 7 year olds can access inappropiate programmes which are broadcast after the watershed and are full of swearing and nudity. Like it or not, breach of the watershed always makes newspaper editors rub their hands with glee. If nothing else, putting it in the EULA is your retort to those stories - something to say well, we say it's for people over 16 when you install it. But if someone lies... IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. HTH From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 21 August 2007 23:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A bit late This was covered by the Media Guardian podcast (I think it asked why Mr Highfield hates children...) about two months ago, and I reported it too... http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051264 On 21/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I finally decided that iPlayer was worth opening IE for (is Firefox going to be allowed by the time iPlayer comes out of Beta?) and, upon install, decided to read the EULA; I saw this clause before my cat ran across the keyboard: http://vijaychopra.com/EULA.JPG So my 5 year old cat has agreed she's over 16 years old. Good luck in prosecuting her... also, I'd already downloaded iPlayer before I got to the EULA; what's that about, how can I agree to something before I've read it? Seriously, why bother with the EULA, I thought click-through EULAs were pretty much unenforceable for the very reasons I just stated, people can claim that their cat\children\goldfish etc. just clicked next, through them. By reading this you agree with all my opinions now and forever more; also I claim your your first-born child, and I accept no liability for any damage caused by this brick as it comes through your window. *throws brick through your nearest window* Vijay. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] A bit late
What puzzles me is that (a) there is a whole heap of kids content on the iPlayer, (b) younger people = early adopters, (c) BBC has a relationship problem with young teenagers (no Def II for example - I guess I would call it BBC ZERO these days and stick it on Freeview 301/302 when there's no sport on). On 22/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One possible alternative is some national newspaper publish articles about how parents are outraged 7 year olds can access inappropiate programmes which are broadcast after the watershed and are full of swearing and nudity. Like it or not, breach of the watershed *always* makes newspaper editors rub their hands with glee. If nothing else, putting it in the EULA is your retort to those stories - something to say well, we say it's for people over 16 when you install it. But if someone lies... IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. HTH -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 21 August 2007 23:22 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] A bit late This was covered by the Media Guardian podcast (I think it asked why Mr Highfield hates children...) about two months ago, and I reported it too... http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051264 On 21/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I finally decided that iPlayer was worth opening IE for (is Firefox going to be allowed by the time iPlayer comes out of Beta?) and, upon install, decided to read the EULA; I saw this clause before my cat ran across the keyboard: http://vijaychopra.com/EULA.JPG So my 5 year old cat has agreed she's over 16 years old. Good luck in prosecuting her... also, I'd already downloaded iPlayer before I got to the EULA; what's that about, how can I agree to something before I've read it? Seriously, why bother with the EULA, I thought click-through EULAs were pretty much unenforceable for the very reasons I just stated, people can claim that their cat\children\goldfish etc. just clicked next, through them. By reading this you agree with all my opinions now and forever more; also I claim your your first-born child, and I accept no liability for any damage caused by this brick as it comes through your window. *throws brick through your nearest window* Vijay. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Tags du jour
The code had digg missing too... another version then
?php
// Social bookmark code...
function showsocialbookmarks($strTitle)
{
$strPrev=brBookmarknbsp;with:nbsp;;
$strStyle=background-repeat: no-repeat; padding-left: 18px;;
$strThisURLnc= http://; . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] .
$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
$strThisURI=rawurlencode ($strThisURLnc);
$strTitle=rawurlencode($strTitle);
$arrSocials=array(
array(icon=DEL, name=del.icio.us, URL=
http://del.icio.us/post?v=4;url=$strThisURI;title=$strTitle;),
array(icon=RI, name=reddit, URL=
http://reddit.com/submit?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitle;),
array(icon=FB, name=facebook,URL=
http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=$strThisURI;),
array(icon=SU, name=stumbleupon, URL=
http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitle;),
array(icon=G,name=Google, URL=
http://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=editamp;bkmk=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitle
),
array(icon=T,name=Technorati, URL=
http://technorati.com/faves?add=$strThisURI;),
array(icon=SD, name=Slashdot,URL=
http://slashdot.org/bookmark.pl?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitle;),
array(icon=DIGG, name=Digg,URL=
http://digg.com/submit?phase=2url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitleamp;bodytext=amp;topic=television
)
);
foreach ($arrSocials as $arrThis)
{
echo $strPreva style=\background-image:
url('styles/images/bookmark_icon/ICO_ . $arrThis[icon] . .png');
$strStyle\ href=\ . $arrThis[URL] . \ target=\bookmarks\ .
$arrThis[name] . /a;
$strPrev= | ;
}
}
?
On 21/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
erm.. add...
,array(icon=SD, name=Slashdot,
URL=http://slashdot.org/bookmark.pl?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitle
http://slashdot.org/bookmark.pl?url=$strThisURItitle=$strTitle)
On 21/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No slashdot it?
http://it.slashdot.org/faq/tags.shtml#tags300
Soon we're going to have more social bookmarking icons than actual
content...
Vijay
On 21/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For any PHP people out there, here's a function I wrote to do these
bookmark things...
(The icons are at http://www.ukfree.tv/styles/images/bookmark_icon/ )
?php
// Social bookmark code...
function showsocialbookmarks($strTitle)
{
$strPrev=brBookmarknbsp;with:nbsp;;
$strStyle=background-repeat: no-repeat; padding-left: 18px;;
$strThisURLnc= http://; . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] .
$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
$strThisURI=rawurlencode ($strThisURLnc);
$strTitle=rawurlencode($strTitle);
$arrSocials=array(
array(icon=DEL, name=del.icio.us ,
URL=http://del.icio.us/post?v=4;url=$strThisURI;title=$strTitle
),
array(icon=RI, name=reddit,
URL=http://reddit.com/submit?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitlehttp://reddit.com/submit?url=$strThisURItitle=$strTitle
),
array(icon=FB, name=facebook,
URL=http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=$strThisURI
),
array(icon=SU, name=stumbleupon,
URL=http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitlehttp://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=$strThisURItitle=$strTitle
),
array(icon=G,name=Google,
URL=http://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=editamp;bkmk=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitlehttp://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=editbkmk=$strThisURItitle=$strTitle
),
array(icon=T,name=Technorati, URL=
http://technorati.com/faves?add=$strThisURI;)
);
foreach ($arrSocials as $arrThis)
{
echo $strPreva style=\background-image:
url('styles/images/bookmark_icon/ICO_ . $arrThis[icon] . .png');
$strStyle\ href=\ . $arrThis[URL] . \ target=\bookmarks\ .
$arrThis[name] . /a;
$strPrev= | ;
}
}
?
On 20/08/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL
PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is a story about the BBC News Online website.
I read this story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6954728.stm
I saw that I had been invited to Digg it (and Facebook it etc)
Bookmark with:
* Delicious
* Digg
* reddit
* Facebook
* StumbleUpon
So, I did. Well, as least as far as http://del.icio.us/gordo
And I thought the tags were very precise:
#
recommended tags
BBC news
# » sort: alphabetically | by frequency
your tags
#
your network
#
popular tags
Camel australia camels animals sex
YMMV,
Gordo
--
Think Feynman/
http://pobox.com/~gordo/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]///
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RE: [backstage] A bit late
New for Christmas 2007: Early Learning Centre presents Tomy's 'My First Interactive Media Player' £130's about average for those sought-after faddy kids' toys these days anyway, isn't it? You know, like Pogs or Tracey Islands or what have you I'm showing my age now _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 22 August 2007 09:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A bit late IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached.
Re: [backstage] A bit late
But I presume they'll make a knock-off copy on Blue Peter out of sticky-backed plastic and household waste? On 22/08/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New for Christmas 2007: Early Learning Centre presents Tomy's 'My First Interactive Media Player' £130's about average for those sought-after faddy kids' toys these days anyway, isn't it? You know, like Pogs or Tracey Islands or what have you I'm showing my age now From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 22 August 2007 09:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A bit late IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Linux Port of iPlayer
Can't recall seeing this posted here, but then again it might have gotten lost in all the noise or I may have been too bone idle to actually remember what I've read. http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page BBC iPlayer on Linux project Wiki This is a project to bring the BBC iPlayer to the GNU/Linux and *BSD/Mac OSX Operating Systems. The BBC has been heavily criticised for not providing iPlayer on Mac OSX or Linux. This is something that the iPlayer on Linux project hopes to fix. Although initially this project aims to put the iPlayer on Linux, porting (via wine) to BSD/Mac OSX is a very simple task. Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Russia forces World Service off FM radio
At 09:45 +0100 20/8/07, Andrew Bowden wrote: If you are interested in that kind of thing there was a fantastic 30 minute documentary about the number stations on Radio 4 called The Lincolnshire Poacher around about Xmas. I *cough* downloaded it from *cough* UKNova whilst I was in Austria - don't know if you can still get hold of it The full title is Tracking the Lincolnshire Poacher http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/pip/j2rhi/ And I'm certainly not mentioning this URL http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page485.htm Good thing too! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Russia forces World Service off FM radio
At 10:43 +0100 20/8/07, Darren Stephens wrote: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, I too have certainly not downloaded this. And I am not downloading right now... In fact, I think somebody who resembles me hear it in 2006 on the DAB. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] A bit late
There's an error in your story, you say it's unavailable to under 18s, my screen cap clearly shows that the BBC think they can enforce contract law on under 16s. If they had used under 18s, the clause may have had a point, using under 16s, just makes the clause redundant because if a 14 yr old 'breaches'* the EULA, they can't be prosecuted anyway as minors aren't allowed to enter contracts. *I remain unconvinced that a click-through EULA would stand up in court. Vijay. On 21/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was covered by the Media Guardian podcast (I think it asked why Mr Highfield hates children...) about two months ago, and I reported it too... http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051264 On 21/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I finally decided that iPlayer was worth opening IE for (is Firefox going to be allowed by the time iPlayer comes out of Beta?) and, upon install, decided to read the EULA; I saw this clause before my cat ran across the keyboard: http://vijaychopra.com/EULA.JPG So my 5 year old cat has agreed she's over 16 years old. Good luck in prosecuting her... also, I'd already downloaded iPlayer before I got to the EULA; what's that about, how can I agree to something before I've read it? Seriously, why bother with the EULA, I thought click-through EULAs were pretty much unenforceable for the very reasons I just stated, people can claim that their cat\children\goldfish etc. just clicked next, through them. By reading this you agree with all my opinions now and forever more; also I claim your your first-born child, and I accept no liability for any damage caused by this brick as it comes through your window. *throws brick through your nearest window* Vijay. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Linux Port of iPlayer
Doesn''t this break the TCs ? On 22/08/07, Sean Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't recall seeing this posted here, but then again it might have gotten lost in all the noise or I may have been too bone idle to actually remember what I've read. http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page BBC iPlayer on Linux project Wiki This is a project to bring the BBC iPlayer to the GNU/Linux and *BSD/Mac OSX Operating Systems. The BBC has been heavily criticised for not providing iPlayer on Mac OSX or Linux. This is something that the iPlayer on Linux project hopes to fix. Although initially this project aims to put the iPlayer on Linux, porting (via wine) to BSD/Mac OSX is a very simple task. Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Linux Port of iPlayer
Exactly where in the T Cs does it say thou shalt not port iPlayer to another platform? (If someone point's out a clause in the EULA, I shall point and laugh). Personally I'd think that Auntie would be glad for the help, the Beeb is comitted to making iPlayer platform neutral, right? Vijay. On 22/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn''t this break the TCs ? On 22/08/07, Sean Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't recall seeing this posted here, but then again it might have gotten lost in all the noise or I may have been too bone idle to actually remember what I've read. http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page BBC iPlayer on Linux project Wiki This is a project to bring the BBC iPlayer to the GNU/Linux and *BSD/Mac OSX Operating Systems. The BBC has been heavily criticised for not providing iPlayer on Mac OSX or Linux. This is something that the iPlayer on Linux project hopes to fix. Although initially this project aims to put the iPlayer on Linux, porting (via wine) to BSD/Mac OSX is a very simple task. Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Linux Port of iPlayer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/tandc.shtml ... 12. You agree: to not attempt to, or assist any other person to *reverse engineer*, * de-compile*, *disassemble*, *alter*, duplicate, *modify*, rent, lease, loan, sub-licence, make copies, *create derivative works from*, distribute or provide others with the BBC iPlayer Library in whole or part, except as expressly permitted in these Terms and to the extent permitted by law; I think Google call this the usual yar di dar... On 22/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly where in the T Cs does it say thou shalt not port iPlayer to another platform? (If someone point's out a clause in the EULA, I shall point and laugh). Personally I'd think that Auntie would be glad for the help, the Beeb is comitted to making iPlayer platform neutral, right? Vijay. On 22/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn''t this break the TCs ? On 22/08/07, Sean Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't recall seeing this posted here, but then again it might have gotten lost in all the noise or I may have been too bone idle to actually remember what I've read. http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page BBC iPlayer on Linux project Wiki This is a project to bring the BBC iPlayer to the GNU/Linux and *BSD/Mac OSX Operating Systems. The BBC has been heavily criticised for not providing iPlayer on Mac OSX or Linux. This is something that the iPlayer on Linux project hopes to fix. Although initially this project aims to put the iPlayer on Linux, porting (via wine) to BSD/Mac OSX is a very simple task. Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Linux Port of iPlayer
Fair enough, though I still think that it's counter-productive, secondly, and upon closer reading, I notice that the T Cs and the EULA are one and the same; so my previous complaint about the EULA has been partly rendered null and void. For once I could and should have read the EULA before downloading. Though why they (along with 99.99% of all software devs.) felt the need to shove it in my face whilst installing I'll never understand. Vijay. On 22/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/tandc.shtml ... 12. You agree: to not attempt to, or assist any other person to *reverse engineer*, * de-compile*, *disassemble*, *alter*, duplicate, *modify*, rent, lease, loan, sub-licence, make copies, *create derivative works from*, distribute or provide others with the BBC iPlayer Library in whole or part, except as expressly permitted in these Terms and to the extent permitted by law; I think Google call this the usual yar di dar... On 22/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly where in the T Cs does it say thou shalt not port iPlayer to another platform? (If someone point's out a clause in the EULA, I shall point and laugh). Personally I'd think that Auntie would be glad for the help, the Beeb is comitted to making iPlayer platform neutral, right? Vijay. On 22/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn''t this break the TCs ? On 22/08/07, Sean Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't recall seeing this posted here, but then again it might have gotten lost in all the noise or I may have been too bone idle to actually remember what I've read. http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page BBC iPlayer on Linux project Wiki This is a project to bring the BBC iPlayer to the GNU/Linux and *BSD/Mac OSX Operating Systems. The BBC has been heavily criticised for not providing iPlayer on Mac OSX or Linux. This is something that the iPlayer on Linux project hopes to fix. Although initially this project aims to put the iPlayer on Linux, porting (via wine) to BSD/Mac OSX is a very simple task. Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Linux Port of iPlayer
Err. They are not 'reverse engineer, de-compile, disassemble, alter, modify, or create derivative works from AFAICS They are modifying Wine to correctly respond to the API calls that the iPlayer makes. Hmm... wonder what this does to the DRM David Brian Butterworth wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/tandc.shtml ... 12. You agree: # to not attempt to, or assist any other person to *reverse engineer*, *de-compile*, *disassemble*, *alter*, duplicate, *modify*, rent, lease, loan, sub-licence, make copies, *create derivative works from*, distribute or provide others with the BBC iPlayer Library in whole or part, except as expressly permitted in these Terms and to the extent permitted by law; I think Google call this the usual yar di dar... On 22/08/07, *vijay chopra* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly where in the T Cs does it say thou shalt not port iPlayer to another platform? (If someone point's out a clause in the EULA, I shall point and laugh). Personally I'd think that Auntie would be glad for the help, the Beeb is comitted to making iPlayer platform neutral, right? Vijay. On 22/08/07, *Brian Butterworth* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn''t this break the TCs ? On 22/08/07, *Sean Dillon* [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't recall seeing this posted here, but then again it might have gotten lost in all the noise or I may have been too bone idle to actually remember what I've read. http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page BBC iPlayer on Linux project Wiki This is a project to bring the BBC iPlayer to the GNU/Linux and *BSD/Mac OSX Operating Systems. The BBC has been heavily criticised for not providing iPlayer on Mac OSX or Linux. This is something that the iPlayer on Linux project hopes to fix. Although initially this project aims to put the iPlayer on Linux, porting (via wine) to BSD/Mac OSX is a very simple task. Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Linux Port of iPlayer
That's an interesting approach, but I guess it's quicker than decompiling iPlayer then rebuilding it from the ground up; I would guess that if WINE works correctly, the DRM stays, afterall that's what WINE is meant to do, implement all the features of windows, natively in Linux. The days of MSDRM are limited anyway, it won't be long before someone develops tools like these: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127943 that auto-run when iPlayer finishes downloading. Of course, that would almost certainlybe a breech of the T Cs Vijay. On 22/08/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Err. They are not 'reverse engineer, de-compile, disassemble, alter, modify, or create derivative works from AFAICS They are modifying Wine to correctly respond to the API calls that the iPlayer makes. Hmm... wonder what this does to the DRM David Brian Butterworth wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/tandc.shtml ... 12. You agree: # to not attempt to, or assist any other person to *reverse engineer*, *de-compile*, *disassemble*, *alter*, duplicate, *modify*, rent, lease, loan, sub-licence, make copies, *create derivative works from*, distribute or provide others with the BBC iPlayer Library in whole or part, except as expressly permitted in these Terms and to the extent permitted by law; I think Google call this the usual yar di dar... On 22/08/07, *vijay chopra* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly where in the T Cs does it say thou shalt not port iPlayer to another platform? (If someone point's out a clause in the EULA, I shall point and laugh). Personally I'd think that Auntie would be glad for the help, the Beeb is comitted to making iPlayer platform neutral, right? Vijay. On 22/08/07, *Brian Butterworth* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn''t this break the TCs ? On 22/08/07, *Sean Dillon* [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't recall seeing this posted here, but then again it might have gotten lost in all the noise or I may have been too bone idle to actually remember what I've read. http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page BBC iPlayer on Linux project Wiki This is a project to bring the BBC iPlayer to the GNU/Linux and *BSD/Mac OSX Operating Systems. The BBC has been heavily criticised for not providing iPlayer on Mac OSX or Linux. This is something that the iPlayer on Linux project hopes to fix. Although initially this project aims to put the iPlayer on Linux, porting (via wine) to BSD/Mac OSX is a very simple task. Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] A bit late
Blasphemy! Where are the toilet roll inners?! I'll be damned if Health Safety gets in the way of my toilet roll inners! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 22 August 2007 13:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A bit late But I presume they'll make a knock-off copy on Blue Peter out of sticky-backed plastic and household waste? On 22/08/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New for Christmas 2007: Early Learning Centre presents Tomy's 'My First Interactive Media Player' £130's about average for those sought-after faddy kids' toys these days anyway, isn't it? You know, like Pogs or Tracey Islands or what have you I'm showing my age now From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 22 August 2007 09:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A bit late IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
