Re: [backstage] Following Over the Air this weekend...

[Dan Brickley]

Thom Shannon wrote:

Ian Forrester wrote:
http://opensocialapis.blogspot.com/2008/03/opensocial-hackathon-in-london-6th-of.html 



They've just posted location/timing details too -
http://opensocialapis.blogspot.com/2008/04/sundays-opensocial-hackathon-in-london.html

Hope to see various of you at some combination of OtA, the OpenSocial 
thing and the dataportability lunch :)


cheers,

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RE: [backstage] DAB rollout...

[Christopher Woods]

> Personally I think satellite radio may be a better option.

Agreed - even DVB-T radio channels are a higher bitrate... Unfortunately
while that's viable, buying and installing a satellite dish & receiver is a
bit out of the question for me :( I like my USB DAB radio, it's just so
frustrating sometimes using it (for the various oft-discussed reasons!) My
DVB-T reception is patchy at best too (the house we're tenants in at the
moment doesn't have an installed aerial and we're moving out in about 3
months so there's not much point getting one fitted for the price that could
get you a Sky installation!) My Wavefinder's the only thing that receives a
solid signal and, of course, it would be the worst quality of all three ;)

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Re: [backstage] DAB rollout...

[Ian Partridge]

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Christopher Woods
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sure we can all agree that the DAB receiver market is far from
> saturation. It doesn't bode well for the migration of radio to an
> all-digital platform if these are the kind of sales statistics we're getting
> after half a decade :( What can be done to solve this problem? (besides more
> advertising for it)

DAB+ is a life-ring which might be able to save DAB. Ofcom seem to be
typically wishy-washy on the subject though (shades of HD freeview).

http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/uknat.html is a pretty good summary
of why DAB sounds so awful.

Personally I think satellite radio may be a better option.

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[backstage] DAB rollout...

[Christopher Woods]

I know there's been discusson around DAB's quality, nationwide rollout,
relative cost etc... An interesting aticle on El Reg today was (typically)
biased, but it did have an interesting graph of year-on-year change of unit
sales sales for DAB receivers
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/02/dab_disaster_analysis/
 
I'm sure we can all agree that the DAB receiver market is far from
saturation. It doesn't bode well for the migration of radio to an
all-digital platform if these are the kind of sales statistics we're getting
after half a decade :( What can be done to solve this problem? (besides more
advertising for it)

Re: [backstage] BarCamp NorthEast

[gareth rushgrove]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did I mention Backstage is also supporting BarCampNorthEast!
>
>  And at long last a 2 day BarCamp based in the North! Good work guys!
>

Thanks! Finding a venue for both days that would let us sleep over was
somewhat tricky but I think without the overnight it's just not the
same.

See lots of people there hopefully!

Gareth

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>  > really wish there was more of this up north!
>
>  To register for a ticket you need to sign up on the registration thingy at:
>  http://barcampnortheast.eventwax.com/barcampnortheast/register
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>  Their are a few more left in this round but if it says they have run out 
> then drop me an email and I'll let you know when more tickets will be made 
> available.
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>  Thanks
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>  >  The sign-up for BarCamp NorthEast went live today... It's all the way
>  > up  in that there Newcastle.
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Re: [backstage] Web Semantics - Slicing The Cake

[Dogsbody]

Really?  I assume that Fearghas was talking about stuff like the Asus
EEE (and the new Elonex One) rather than mobile phone like content.
The EEE/Elonex/Cloudbook group of machines have fully functional OSes
and fully functional browsers.  They are far more like a PC than a
mobile phone.


Correct - I was specifically thinking of those devices.

Things like the Nokia N800/810 and iPhone have hardware zoom buttons or
fancy hand movements to zoom. The Asus doesn't have that feature and
requires scrolling which is painful. I haven't had time to check the new
site propertly with the Asus as it is off being borrowed again -
this time
on a trip to India, (last time it got to go to Cuba - all because a mate
hasn't been able to source one so just 'borrows mine').
 
I can't say I'm impressed.

http://www.ukfree.tv/styles/images/misc/eeepc_newbbcnews.jpg


And yet it fits perfectly on my much smaller screen ;-)

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q166/dogsbodyorg/IMGP1621.jpg

You can never please everyone all of the time :-)

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Re: [backstage] XBox Media Center iPlayer Plugin

[Iain Wallace]

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Matt Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  The reason this was developed so quickly (and it appeared within days
>  >  of the iPhone version being released) is that XBMC has its own really
>  >  powerful python scripting framework which hooks into its existing
>  >  media playback capabilities. This makes it really easy for developers
>  >  to knock out client scripts for various streaming media sources all
>  >  over the web. Media playback on Wii has so far been limited to video
>  >  being transcoded to Flash Video (ironically, in this case) and
>  >  streamed from a dedicated server machine within your own network to
>  >  the Opera browser on it.
>  >
>  >  I'm not sure what UPnP has to do with any of this...
>  >
>  >  Iain
>  >
>
>  Just saying that if you have a script or framework for pulling MPEG4
>  streams from the iPlayer servers, it could be used by a uPnP capable
>  server running on a machine that the 360 can connect to, enabling
>  iPlayer on the 360. Just a thought...
>
Possibly, the development scene for getting things running under 360
isn't nearly as lively as the XBMC one though due to it being so
pointlessly locked down to MS technologies (it won't even let you
connect to SAMBA shares). You could probably write some kind of
service under windows for the 360 to connect to on the network but
you'd never get a standalone client running like XBMC unless it was an
MS / BBC co-op (which, let's face it isn't out of the question given
projects both have worked on in recent past).

Also, the 360 is a lot louder than the old XBox :P

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Re: [backstage] XBox Media Center iPlayer Plugin

[David Johnston]

On 02/04/2008, ST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Looks like a good piece of backend software.  but the GUI needs work, it's
> very engineer-centric (FPS/CPU usage - MiB/s etc.)
>
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The white FPS/CPU text is just XBMC in debugging/logging mode, and not
part of the script.

(Also hello from a fellow Zeplerite.)
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Re: [backstage] XBox Media Center iPlayer Plugin

[ST]

Quoting Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi,

Just to underscore the availability of the xbmc-iplayer project:

http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayer/

"XBMC Script for browsing and watching BBC iPlayer, by masquerading as
an iPhone browser to get access to the MP4 streams.



Looks like a good piece of backend software.  but the GUI needs work,  
it's very engineer-centric (FPS/CPU usage - MiB/s etc.)



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Re: [backstage] XBox Media Center iPlayer Plugin

[Matt Barber]

>  The reason this was developed so quickly (and it appeared within days
>  of the iPhone version being released) is that XBMC has its own really
>  powerful python scripting framework which hooks into its existing
>  media playback capabilities. This makes it really easy for developers
>  to knock out client scripts for various streaming media sources all
>  over the web. Media playback on Wii has so far been limited to video
>  being transcoded to Flash Video (ironically, in this case) and
>  streamed from a dedicated server machine within your own network to
>  the Opera browser on it.
>
>  I'm not sure what UPnP has to do with any of this...
>
>  Iain
>

Just saying that if you have a script or framework for pulling MPEG4
streams from the iPlayer servers, it could be used by a uPnP capable
server running on a machine that the 360 can connect to, enabling
iPlayer on the 360. Just a thought...
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Re: [backstage] XBox Media Center iPlayer Plugin

[Iain Wallace]

>  >  Wow. that looks really interesting. This looks to be one of the most
>  > innovative examples of DRM-free media. I suppose getting something similar
>  > to work on the Wii, wouldn't require much work.
>  >
>  >  I would be really intersetd to see a MythTV extension to do this and even 
> a
>  > Windows MCE plugin.
>  >
>  >  DRM-free media is important to the users of all operating systems. :)
>  >
>
>  This looks good, also the xbox360 supports UPnP, would this script be
>  portable to an existing UPnP server to make this platform available
>  also?
>
The reason this was developed so quickly (and it appeared within days
of the iPhone version being released) is that XBMC has its own really
powerful python scripting framework which hooks into its existing
media playback capabilities. This makes it really easy for developers
to knock out client scripts for various streaming media sources all
over the web. Media playback on Wii has so far been limited to video
being transcoded to Flash Video (ironically, in this case) and
streamed from a dedicated server machine within your own network to
the Opera browser on it.

I'm not sure what UPnP has to do with any of this...

Iain
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Re: [backstage] Web Semantics - Slicing The Cake

[Brian Butterworth]

On 02/04/2008, Fearghas McKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 15:25 +0100 1/4/08, Andy Leighton wrote:
> >Really?  I assume that Fearghas was talking about stuff like the Asus
> >EEE (and the new Elonex One) rather than mobile phone like content.
> >The EEE/Elonex/Cloudbook group of machines have fully functional OSes
> >and fully functional browsers.  They are far more like a PC than a
> >mobile phone.
>
> Correct - I was specifically thinking of those devices.
>
> Things like the Nokia N800/810 and iPhone have hardware zoom buttons or
> fancy hand movements to zoom. The Asus doesn't have that feature and
> requires scrolling which is painful. I haven't had time to check the new
> site propertly with the Asus as it is off being borrowed again - this time
> on a trip to India, (last time it got to go to Cuba - all because a mate
> hasn't been able to source one so just 'borrows mine').


I can't say I'm impressed.

 


FWIW I use all the above devices daily but my main browser experience is on
> a pair of large screen LCDs and I would like graceful design so that I can
> view on  a 1920 wide screen.
>
> The likes of the Ausus is going to change the way that we access content,
> particularly when there are deals such as the free Cloud wifi for BBC
> Content - no need for expensive 3G / wifi mobile bandwidth.
>
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Re: [backstage] XBox Media Center iPlayer Plugin

[Matt Barber]

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM, Tim Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Crossland wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just to underscore the availability of the xbmc-iplayer project:
> >
> > http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayer/
> >
> > "XBMC Script for browsing and watching BBC iPlayer, by masquerading as
> > an iPhone browser to get access to the MP4 streams.
> >
> > The raw script, iplayer.py, is also usable as a (very!) basic download
> > client driven by a CLI on all systems. "
> >
> >
>
>  Wow. that looks really interesting. This looks to be one of the most
> innovative examples of DRM-free media. I suppose getting something similar
> to work on the Wii, wouldn't require much work.
>
>  I would be really intersetd to see a MythTV extension to do this and even a
> Windows MCE plugin.
>
>  DRM-free media is important to the users of all operating systems. :)
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This looks good, also the xbox360 supports UPnP, would this script be
portable to an existing UPnP server to make this platform available
also?
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