Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100

2008-07-03 Thread Alia Sheikh 

Oh I promised myself that I wouldn;t get involved, but yay Godzilla!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RFEzpUsUBk


Ian - I'd like to know more about the competition.  If all we know is 
that it's using AIR then that's all we'll argue^H^H^H^H^Htalk about.  
Whats it actually going to be?  Is Backstage runnning it or is someone 
else? Also are competitions going to be a regular thing/will we get to 
play with lots of stuff eventually or is this a one off? 


Oh, and I crush everything:)

Alia

Richard Lockwood wrote:



On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


2008/7/3 Matt Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ian Forrester
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>>
>> If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to
be in Adobe
>> Air, how would people feel about that?
>
> No problem with that.

There is a large problem with that - Adobe Air is proprietary
software, so it ought to be boycotted.

 
You boycott it Dave, if it makes you happy.  The rest of us can carry 
on living in the real world.
 




> It's using a new technology and product to encourage
> development, and the technology is available to end users easily
and with
> little effort, on multiple platforms.

But it tramples our freedom and community, which are more important.

 
No Dave, you're thinking of Godzilla.
 
Rich.


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Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100

2008-07-03 Thread Richard Lockwood 
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/7/3 Matt Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in
> Adobe
> >> Air, how would people feel about that?
> >
> > No problem with that.
>
> There is a large problem with that - Adobe Air is proprietary
> software, so it ought to be boycotted.


You boycott it Dave, if it makes you happy.  The rest of us can carry on
living in the real world.


>
>
> > It's using a new technology and product to encourage
> > development, and the technology is available to end users easily and with
> > little effort, on multiple platforms.
>
> But it tramples our freedom and community, which are more important.


No Dave, you're thinking of Godzilla.

Rich.

Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100

2008-07-03 Thread Paul Battley 
2008/7/3 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Interesting question to the backstage community...
>
> If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in Adobe
> Air, how would people feel about that?

Personally, I'd be disappointed to see a proprietary technology being
a requirement. As an option, I'd have no problem with it, but as a
prerequisite it would seem to show favour to Adobe.

> There's a run time and SDK for Win, OSx and now gnu/Linux.

But it's still from only one company, and dependent on their grace
(and, when it comes to Adobe and Linux, competence, frankly).

Then again, I'm not happy with the iPlayer being dependent on
Adobe/Apple, either, though I do my best to address that ;-)

Paul.
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Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100

2008-07-03 Thread Barry Carlyon 

ooh flame-ey.

The competition sounds interesting, as a student it would be interesting 
to learn adobe air in order to produce something that could be useful.
Depends on the nature of the competition, what we actually have to do (I 
mean)


Yours,

Fearghas McKay wrote:

David

On 3 Jul 2008, at 17:46, Dave Crossland wrote:


But it tramples our freedom and community, which are more important.


There are many different communities on this list - please do not 
conflate your community with mine. You do not speak for everyone on 
this list and it would be more helpful if you were to express that in 
the body of your mail rather than as a disclaimer in your .sig.


Ian - it is a new technology, with cross platform client side support 
that goes beyond Win2K, XP & Vista cross platform support. I see no 
problem in running a competition with it. Delivering all BBC content 
in it would be different but that is not what is being suggested ;-)


The people I have spoken to who have developed with it have mostly had 
nice things to say about it, after all as we are trying to make new 
things happen, we should use the best tools that are available for the 
job whilst allowing as a wide a range of users to participate on the 
client side.


Cheers

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Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100

2008-07-03 Thread Fearghas McKay 

David

On 3 Jul 2008, at 17:46, Dave Crossland wrote:


But it tramples our freedom and community, which are more important.


There are many different communities on this list - please do not  
conflate your community with mine. You do not speak for everyone on  
this list and it would be more helpful if you were to express that in  
the body of your mail rather than as a disclaimer in your .sig.


Ian - it is a new technology, with cross platform client side support  
that goes beyond Win2K, XP & Vista cross platform support. I see no  
problem in running a competition with it. Delivering all BBC content  
in it would be different but that is not what is being suggested ;-)


The people I have spoken to who have developed with it have mostly had  
nice things to say about it, after all as we are trying to make new  
things happen, we should use the best tools that are available for the  
job whilst allowing as a wide a range of users to participate on the  
client side.


Cheers

f

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Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100

2008-07-03 Thread Dave Crossland 
2008/7/3 Matt Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in Adobe
>> Air, how would people feel about that?
>
> No problem with that.

There is a large problem with that - Adobe Air is proprietary
software, so it ought to be boycotted.

> It's using a new technology and product to encourage
> development, and the technology is available to end users easily and with
> little effort, on multiple platforms.

But it tramples our freedom and community, which are more important.

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Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100

2008-07-03 Thread Matt Barber 
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  Interesting question to the backstage community...
>
> If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in Adobe
> Air, how would people feel about that?
>
> There's a run time and SDK for Win, OSx and now gnu/Linux.
>


No problem with that. It's using a new technology and product to encourage
development, and the technology is available to end users easily and with
little effort, on multiple platforms.

[backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100

2008-07-03 Thread Ian Forrester 
Interesting question to the backstage community...
 
If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in Adobe Air, 
how would people feel about that?
 
There's a run time and SDK for Win, OSx and now gnu/Linux.

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I like it too. The Adobe Air platform seems quite good. 
 
I got a Breaking News window today on bottom left of screen.
 
It would be nice to think what other tabs could be put in beyond News 
and Sport... Weather i guess. The new iplayer feeds could be good...
 
 
 
Graham
 
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Factual Content, BBC Scotland.




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Subject: [backstage] BBC Widget, nice!


Just looking at the "BBC Widget"...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/07/free_range_widgets.html

Seems OK, but it does fall into the "recycled feeds" category...

Love the blurry slide to read the story!

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Re: [backstage] BBC Widget, nice!

2008-07-03 Thread Matt Barber 
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Just looking at the "BBC Widget"...
>
>
> Love the blurry slide to read the story!
>


Second that, the blurry effect is very nice.

RE: [backstage] BBC Widget, nice!

2008-07-03 Thread Ian Forrester 
It also works very nicely on gnu/Linux by the way...
 

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Subject: [backstage] BBC Widget, nice!


Just looking at the "BBC Widget"...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/07/free_range_widgets.html

Seems OK, but it does fall into the "recycled feeds" category...

Love the blurry slide to read the story!

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RE: [backstage] BBC Widget, nice!

2008-07-03 Thread Graham Gillies 
I like it too. The Adobe Air platform seems quite good. 
 
I got a Breaking News window today on bottom left of screen.
 
It would be nice to think what other tabs could be put in beyond News
and Sport... Weather i guess. The new iplayer feeds could be good...
 
 
 
Graham
 
Graham Gillies
Multiplatform Development,
Factual Content, BBC Scotland.




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Subject: [backstage] BBC Widget, nice!


Just looking at the "BBC Widget"...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/07/free_range_widgets.html

Seems OK, but it does fall into the "recycled feeds" category...

Love the blurry slide to read the story!

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Re: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!

2008-07-03 Thread Matt Barber 
"These go to eleven" (from 1:30 for the impatient, but the whole skit is
funny):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d54UU-fPIsY


On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Rupert Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But was it to scale?
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> The original iPlayer goes to 11 too.
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> So is it deliberate that the volume on the Iplayer2 goes up to 11?
>
> 
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:47:19 +0200
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> Subject: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!
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> The new iPlayer looks great and seems to work exceptionally well
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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/
>
> It all works as advertised here:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/iplayerbeta/
>
> Just one tiny little niggle..  if you start listening to a radio programme
> using RealPlayer (I'm not in the UK right now) and then click to use the
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RE: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!

2008-07-03 Thread Rupert Watson 
But was it to scale?

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The original iPlayer goes to 11 too.

 
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So is it deliberate that the volume on the Iplayer2 goes up to 11?


Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:47:19 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!

The new iPlayer looks great and seems to work exceptionally well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/

It all works as advertised here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/iplayerbeta/

Just one tiny little niggle..  if you start listening to a radio programme 
using RealPlayer (I'm not in the UK right now) and then click to use the 
pop-out version, the programme starts from the beginning again, whereas it 
would be more useful if it automatically navigated to the place where you were 
already at.


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RE: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!

2008-07-03 Thread Robin Cramp 
The original iPlayer goes to 11 too.


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So is it deliberate that the volume on the Iplayer2 goes up to 11?



Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:47:19 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!

The new iPlayer looks great and seems to work exceptionally well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/

It all works as advertised here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/iplayerbeta/

Just one tiny little niggle..  if you start listening to a radio programme 
using RealPlayer (I'm not in the UK right now) and then click to use the 
pop-out version, the programme starts from the beginning again, whereas it 
would be more useful if it automatically navigated to the place where you were 
already at.


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RE: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!

2008-07-03 Thread Rachel MacTaggart 
So is it deliberate that the volume on the Iplayer2 goes up to 11?



Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:47:19 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!

The new iPlayer looks great and seems to work exceptionally well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/

It all works as advertised here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/iplayerbeta/


Just one tiny little niggle..  if you start listening to a radio programme 
using RealPlayer (I'm not in the UK right now) and then click to use the 
pop-out version, the programme starts from the beginning again, whereas it 
would be more useful if it automatically navigated to the place where you were 
already at.



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