[backstage] Comment Blogs and FP7 Proposal
Hi, Thanks to Steve, Michael, Paul, Stephen, and Andrew for their replies to my previous posting. I've still not been able to get in contact members of the Innovation Culture team at the BBC in order to invite them to consider participating in an FP7 Internet and Communication Technology/Future and Emerging Technology proposal. But, perhaps someone there reads this list, so I'll knock on this log-drum a bit more. Besides, perhaps there are others who would be interested. The basic idea: To develop an online decision-support tool that supports dynamic, collaborative, open, devolved, multi-lingual argumentation using a controlled language which parses the input, then transforms it into a formalised, implemented language of argumentation that enables automatic calculation of justified claims. Output is generated in natural language or as an argument graph. Simply put, users would enter their comments in a structured format (natural language rather than semantic web markup), the automated part of the system would parse the input, provide a semantic representation, link the comment to previous comments in a structured way, then calculate results of the current standing of the "debate". We have a concept of how to do this in a reasonable fashion; we have an excellent team of collaborators. The BBC's role would be to provide data, user requirements, and a test context for this system. The comment blogs give us data to analyse how such debates are currently used; the results of our analysis would contribute to the construction of the tool. The BBC is interesting to us because it supports comment debates, has a public mandate, and functions across languages. The tool would productively use and contribute to the BBCs comment content. Turning to some of the specific suggestions. Paul suggested: Have Your Say has an RSS feed of comments http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/rss/rssmessages.jspa?forumID=5700 You can get more than the standard 20 or so messages it throws out by adding &numItems=500 to the URL. This works nicely and I see how to get more from similar blogs I also now see that other blog sites (Guardian) also allow one to download all comments with respect to a particular posting. The drawback is that I have to go from blog to blog manually. I would prefer some central, indexed repository (if one exists) of blogs plus comments. Stephen commented on this point: ...someone involved in that section of the bbc site might be able to point you to a raw feed of all comments within a forum. I'm sure Ian can find out if it is possible to open up some form of official comment feeds to backstage. However, I've not heard more about this (it is only Monday though...) I don't see how to make use of Stephen's comment: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blogs/ <-- posting/accessing directly is restricted to invite only, i suspect it only works when added to a blog by SSI. Andrew wrote about another source of comments: a comments feed for a most interesting recent post on BBCi Labs, is http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog131/rss/acs?dnauid=movabletype131_40565 What I took away from this is that where there are blogs with comments, I should 1. Look to see if there is a list of all blog comments available 2. Look at the page source to see what sort of information on rss is available, as that might allow me to link to where the comments are stored? One additional point, I didn't know this previously, but there are apparently blog specific search tools. If I knew more about the URL structure of the blogs with comments at the BBC, I could use the search tools to search within a specified domain. That could be helpful. In any case, many thanks for these suggestions. Cheers, Adam Dr. Adam Wyner Department of Computer Science King's College London - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Event] Social Innovation Camp in Dec
Here you go: http://www.sicamp.org December's projects are here: http://www.sicamp.org/?page_id=187 Sign up to come to the SI Camp weekend, 5th-7th Dec, here: http://www.sicamp.org/?page_id=301 Details of how the SI Camp works are here: http://www.sicamp.org/?page_id=179 Or email me for any further info. Anna On 24 Nov 2008, at 14:03, Paul Battley wrote: 2008/11/24 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Please post a link. Those of us who read in plain text or in a non-graphical reader are not gonna be able to click on that! (I can't see any html so I wonder if there was a link there at all?) It looks like the list server stripped it out. I can't see anything in the message source. Would love to read more, please let me know where ;-) Likewise! Paul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Anna Maybank Director Social Innovation Camp www.sicamp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8980 6263 Skype: anna.maybank
Re: [backstage] [Event] Social Innovation Camp in Dec
2008/11/24 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Please post a link. Those of us who read in plain text or in a > non-graphical reader are not gonna be able to click on that! > > (I can't see any html so I wonder if there was a link there at all?) It looks like the list server stripped it out. I can't see anything in the message source. > Would love to read more, please let me know where ;-) Likewise! Paul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Event] Social Innovation Camp in Dec
On 24 Nov 2008, at 13:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:35:33PM -, Ian Forrester wrote: You can read more about them here. Where? Please post a link. Those of us who read in plain text or in a non-graphical reader are not gonna be able to click on that! (I can't see any html so I wonder if there was a link there at all?) Would love to read more, please let me know where ;-) I think it is too late unless voting is being held open for another day... There was no link in my version of the mail. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Event] Social Innovation Camp in Dec
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:35:33PM -, Ian Forrester wrote: > You can read more about them here. Where? Please post a link. Those of us who read in plain text or in a non-graphical reader are not gonna be able to click on that! (I can't see any html so I wonder if there was a link there at all?) Would love to read more, please let me know where ;-) -- Flash Bristow -Web Design & Mastery -07939 579090 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Work: www.wdam.co.uk Personal: www.gorge.org - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [Event] Social Innovation Camp in Dec
*Six winning ideas for Social Innovation Camp December We've had a grand total of 115 amazing ideas submitted for this December's Social Innovation Camp: but we had to narrow it down to just six and at Wednesday's Social Innovation Meetup we had a full house to announce the winners. So the ideas we're going to be helping along to the Social Innovation Camp, 5th-7th December are: - Going Postal - Useful Visitors - AccessCity - Visualising Community Need - Good Gym - Vegsy You can read more about them here. We wanted to try and share some of what we learnt through our selection process, as well as why we chose some ideas and not others. Our thoughts and feedback will be up online shortly – watch this space…. *Your vote for our seventh Social Innovation Camp idea* But that's not all. There were four more ideas that our judges just couldn't decide on. So we're putting them to a public vote until midnight on Sunday 23rd November – details on how to vote are here. And the ideas you can choose from are: - Footsie - One Click Organisations - Prepare to die - Carbon Co-op At the moment, the Carbon Co-op's out in front – but you've still got the weekend to vote! The winner will be announced on Monday, 24th November. Come and build stuff at Social Innovation Camp, 5th-7th December* Are you a great geek or designer? Or perhaps you have business, fund raising, legal or other expertise that could be needed to get an idea off the ground? Want to come and help build one of the projects? We're looking for talented people to provide technical and creative input for the Social Innovation Camp weekend, 5th-7th December 2008. Tell us what you'd like to work on and how you can help here. Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Two questions: Comment Blogs and EU proposals
The per-post XML feed is actually supplied to everyone viewing a particular blog post - it's clearly marked in the HTML but appears to be switched off in the CSS (it's out there, they can't make it un out there ;) ) So for example, a comments feed for a most interesting recent post on BBCi Labs, is http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog131/rss/acs?dnauid=movabletype131_40565 It's pretty clear from this URL that BBCi Labs has a blog ID of blog131 but alas http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog131/rss/acs?dnauid=movabletype131 does not give us anything :( > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Miller > Sent: 22 November 2008 10:48 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] Two questions: Comment Blogs and EU proposals > > There is a way to get the comments to output in an xml format > to make them easier to scrape off of each blog post and > parse. But it is per blog post and not a central feed of all > comments. It appears they are driven by the h2g2 software, so > someone involved in that section of the bbc site might be > able to point you to a raw feed of all comments within a forum. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blogs/ <-- posting/accessing > directly is restricted to invite only, i suspect it only > works when added to a blog by SSI. > > I'm sure Ian can find out if it is possible to open up some > form of official comment feeds to backstage. > > > > - Original Message > From: Paul Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Sent: Saturday, 22 November, 2008 8:55:43 > Subject: Re: [backstage] Two questions: Comment Blogs and EU proposals > > "1. Is there any way to access the blog comments that users > make in response to some articles/opinions that appear in the > BBC news or other sites? I am some colleagues are interested > to develop some applications for such comments." > > Not sure the blog system has an RSS feed of comments. > > If you need data to prove a proof of concept then Have Your > Say has an RSS feed of comments > http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/rss/rssmessages.jspa?forumID=5700 > > You can get more than the standard 20 or so messages it throws out by > adding &numItems=500 to the URL. There's a hard coded upper limit of > how many messages which is something like 200 or 500. > > Best > > Paul > BBC Future Media & Technology (Journalism) > > > > > > > > > 2008/11/21 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi All, > > > > I'm new on this list. > > > > Two questions. > > > > 1. Is there any way to access the blog comments that users make in > > response to some articles/opinions that appear in the BBC news or > > other sites? I am some colleagues are interested to develop some > > applications for such comments. > > > > 2. Does anyone know how I can successfully contact members of the > > Innovation Culture team at BBC Research and Innovation? I > am writing > > an EU Framework Programme 7 proposal which I would like to pitch to > > the Innovation Team, the BBC being a "use case" for which we would > > gather data, requirements, and test a prototype system. I've tried > > calling and emailing, but had no success so far. I think the BBC > > would be very keen to participate in this project and find > it very useful. > > > > If you want to know more about the proposal, you can check out a > > workshop I co-organised. It is on legal language, but the FP7 > > proposal is more general. See the conference site -> Workshops -> > > Natural Language Engineering of Legal Argumentation: > > > > http://www.ittig.cnr.it/Jurix08/ > > > > Cheers, > > Adam Wyner > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
