RE: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
The BBC does make some programmes available all the time They are a small number of speech radio programmes to which the BBC has all the rights. Sadly with other programmes (radio programmes with music, TV programmes) the rights situation is very complicated. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 28 February 2010 22:49 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive? Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: indefinitely live BBC archive? my daughter (age 13) asks: why can't the BBC make some programmes available all the time? regards Jonathan ie there must be a large number of programmes that the BBC creates, and owns copyright permissions. why aren't at least some of these available via search indefinitely, aka youtube/bbc This thread reminds me of this: http://www.blog.tdobson.net/node/173 I'm glad there are people out there, like your daughter, who ask these questions. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] A quick Dolby E question
--- On Sun, 28/2/10, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk wrote: From: Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A quick Dolby E question To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 18:05 SurCode's stuff can produce 24-bit Dolby-E iirc. Also AJA cards can work with Dolby-E but you have to do it right to preserve the metadata. Telestream's FlipFactory (a bit like also allows decoding and encoding of Dolby-E if you configure your 'factory' correctly, PDF at [1]. Wikipedia:Dolby_E also mentions that SoundCode from Neyrinck supports the format. [2] From that document Flipfactory only seems to support 16/20 bit modes. I've tried both SoundCode and Surcode and they are only 16/20 bit as well. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Re: BBC Experimental Website Down?
Hi, Apologies - the move and unexpected connectivity loss did take the API out for a while. Should be back now for you? I can't access it internally, but hey, we have our own connectivity issues :-) I do suggest people use /programmes instead though. Our experimental service won't last forever. Cheers, Andrew BBC RD On 26/02/2010 18:17, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 26-Feb-2010, at 18:05, Tim Coysh wrote: Sorry for bringing up a fairly old topic. The website is again down, though it is temporary. Is there a reason for this? Or is just unexpected downtime? My website relies heavily on this information. Again, Sorry for the hastle! I would place a wild guess that it’s probably being moved from one bit of England to another ;) (Anybody feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, it really was a wild, if slightly educated, guess!) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
though I wonder how complicated the rights situation is, in reality. I'm sure it's not simple, but I do worry that people get scared off by the word 'rights', and then don't try and investigate/question how we can offer the best to the audience whilst still acknowledging the contributions of those who made the programmes. Rights are important, and should be respected - but shouldn't be used as a weapon to scare off questions/solutions... On 01/03/2010 09:02, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The BBC does make some programmes available all the time They are a small number of speech radio programmes to which the BBC has all the rights. Sadly with other programmes (radio programmes with music, TV programmes) the rights situation is very complicated. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 28 February 2010 22:49 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive? Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: indefinitely live BBC archive? my daughter (age 13) asks: why can't the BBC make some programmes available all the time? regards Jonathan ie there must be a large number of programmes that the BBC creates, and owns copyright permissions. why aren't at least some of these available via search indefinitely, aka youtube/bbc This thread reminds me of this: http://www.blog.tdobson.net/node/173 I'm glad there are people out there, like your daughter, who ask these questions. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC Google Calendars
Hi, Have just joined this list in order to find out what has happened to the BBC Google Calendars. They seem to have disappeared. I, for one (perhaps the only one!) found them very useful. Can anyone shed any light? Best Rgds, Andy
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
On 01/03/10 10:09, Paul Rissen wrote: Rights are important, and should be respected - but shouldn't be used as a weapon to scare off questions/solutions... And we've known that we need to tackle rights on new work (the rats nest of pre-digital rights would probably require legislation to untangle) for some years now. But it's difficult to persuade the people we need to persuade of this. Their lawyers tend to try and talk them out of it at the last moment in my experience and succeed far too often. - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC Trust won't probe iPlayer open source gripes
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/01/no_bbc_trust_probe_iplayer_swf_verification/ The governing body of the BBC has no plans to investigate the Corporation's decision to block open source implementations of RTMP (real-time messaging protocol) streaming in the iPlayer, despite grumbles from many UK viewers and listeners of the service. The decision to block open source plugins is a matter for BBC Management. The Trust has not received any complaints on this issue and has no plans to look into it further at present, a BBC Trust spokeswoman told The Register. ... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars
I'm not totally sure which ones you mean but the backstage one still exists (although I got to say I've not updated it much recently) http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/calendar or if you prefer - http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andy Smelt Sent: 01 March 2010 10:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars Hi, Have just joined this list in order to find out what has happened to the BBC Google Calendars. They seem to have disappeared. I, for one (perhaps the only one!) found them very useful. Can anyone shed any light? Best Rgds, Andy
RE: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
Your right about the lawyers. As default they suggest you would be a mug to give away any part of the rights. I know I'm slightly bias but can I suggest http://free-culture.cc/ the book to anyone interested in how complex rights can get. When started RDTV, we took the stance of not using anything BBC pretty much, just in case there might be a contract or licence which held us from releasing the footage. Its like tip toeing in a live minefield. I do wish we were more enlightened about remix/free culture but the fact remains to most of the rights holders that all this is hippy nonsense unless its proven that they can make more revenue from giving away part of the rights. Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Rob Myers Sent: 01 March 2010 10:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive? On 01/03/10 10:09, Paul Rissen wrote: Rights are important, and should be respected - but shouldn't be used as a weapon to scare off questions/solutions... And we've known that we need to tackle rights on new work (the rats nest of pre-digital rights would probably require legislation to untangle) for some years now. But it's difficult to persuade the people we need to persuade of this. Their lawyers tend to try and talk them out of it at the last moment in my experience and succeed far too often. - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] New prototype
Ah yes that's a lot nicer on the eyes now. I'll get a new screenshot up soon Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Coysh Sent: 28 February 2010 19:46 To: backstage Subject: Re: [backstage] New prototype Hello Again, I'm not sure if reviving this mail is the right thing to do, but I am doing it anyway. I realized this prototype a few weeks ago now - and I wasn't happy with it at all, especially with the design and the lack of features. I almost immediately decided to re-design and re-code the site to offer more information and features in an easier design, I have done this. http://www.radio1now.co.cc is the site in case you can't be bothered to read the top post again. The new features should be easily recognizable, you can scrobble the artists, search youtube and google plus much more. I sort of rushed this release, because I wanted to get it out of the way before Monday, so I haven't competly bug tested it. If you do notice any bugs - or see anything you would like changed, tell me and will be more than happy to! Thanks, Tim On 2 February 2010 00:16, Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.org wrote: On 1 Feb 2010, at 22:54, Tim Coysh wrote: I would love to hear your ideas, I think that Ian's ideas could be a great help. Being able to bookmark artists would be useful IMO. Of course then you would need some registration stuff - but that is what OpenID/Federated Login lets you do without owning the hassle of personal data :-) Works fine under Safari on OSX 10.5.8. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- --- Tim Coysh
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
On 01/03/10 11:22, Ian Forrester wrote: Your right about the lawyers. As default they suggest you would be a mug to give away any part of the rights. In my experience there are very, very few lawyers who can help work through more creative models. I've even been surprised by some of the lawyers working for organizatons/projects who should know better. Protecting against the risk of loss is deeply ingrained, opening up to opportunities for gain is an alien way of thinking. I know I'm slightly bias but can I suggest http://free-culture.cc/ the book to anyone interested in how complex rights can get. I'd also recommend Promises To Keep, which Lessig refers to in that book. It's a very detailed illustration of the precise flow of rights and values in the (US) music industry. This is what any new system would replace. When started RDTV, we took the stance of not using anything BBC pretty much, just in case there might be a contract or licence which held us from releasing the footage. Its like tip toeing in a live minefield. My mother wanted a DVD of The Rock and Roll Years for her birthday recently and I had to explain why it was incredibly unlikely that one would be available... I do wish we were more enlightened about remix/free culture but the fact remains to most of the rights holders that all this is hippy nonsense unless its proven that they can make more revenue from giving away part of the rights. I've worked on several projects devoted to doing just that. It's a struggle but we're learning more and more about both how to structure the project and how to keep all the stakeholders on board when their lawyers panic the day before the launch. ;-) - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars
I mean the BBC program guide calendars which were a prototype developed by Davis Buxton. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2007/04/icalendar_versi.html e.g. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2007/04/icalendar_versi.html webcal://gasmark6.com/guide/bbc/BBCRFour.ics webcal://gasmark6.com/guide/bbc/BBCRFour.ics On 1 March 2010 11:06, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I'm not totally sure which ones you mean but the backstage one still exists (although I got to say I've not updated it much recently) http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/calendar or if you prefer - http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Andy Smelt *Sent:* 01 March 2010 10:25 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* [backstage] BBC Google Calendars Hi, Have just joined this list in order to find out what has happened to the BBC Google Calendars. They seem to have disappeared. I, for one (perhaps the only one!) found them very useful. Can anyone shed any light? Best Rgds, Andy
Re: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars
Hi Andy No idea if Davis's feeds are still working, but this is now supported by /programmes. For example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/programmes/schedules.ics Cheers Jonathan On 1 Mar 2010, at 11:55, Andy Smelt wrote: I mean the BBC program guide calendars which were a prototype developed by Davis Buxton. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2007/04/icalendar_versi.html e.g. webcal://gasmark6.com/guide/bbc/BBCRFour.ics On 1 March 2010 11:06, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I'm not totally sure which ones you mean but the backstage one still exists (although I got to say I've not updated it much recently) http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/calendar or if you prefer - http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andy Smelt Sent: 01 March 2010 10:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars Hi, Have just joined this list in order to find out what has happened to the BBC Google Calendars. They seem to have disappeared. I, for one (perhaps the only one!) found them very useful. Can anyone shed any light? Best Rgds, Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:55, Andy Smelt andysm...@gmail.com wrote: I mean the BBC program guide calendars which were a prototype developed by Davis Buxton. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2007/04/icalendar_versi.html e.g. webcal://gasmark6.com/guide/bbc/BBCRFour.ics You can add .ics or .json to the /programmes schedules pages nowadays, so this prototype is now fairly redundant. M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] A quick Dolby E question
From that document Flipfactory only seems to support 16/20 bit modes. I've tried both SoundCode and Surcode and they are only 16/20 bit as well. Huh, I (thought I was) reliably informed SurCode could handle 24. Well, if that lot doesn't work I suspect you're talking Dolby-only hardware if you want full 24bit codec support. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars
Hi Andy Not sure why it's not working in Google Calendar. That URL should update every day with the schedule for that day. There are week views, but unfortunately they're not available in ics: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/south_east/this_week/grid I guess there's still life in the prototype yet... Cheers Jonathan On 1 Mar 2010, at 13:19, Andy Smelt wrote: Hi Jonathan, Thanks for that, I hadn't realised. Just tried it for the URL you suggested though and Google Calendar didn't seem to like the format. Tried it with http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/south_east.ics and it shows in my Calendar but the calendar is called Mon 1 Mar 2010 on BBC One South East Details. Not quite sure what to expect to see tomorrow. David's feeds showed the whole week ahead. It was useful for setting reminders for certain programs. Rgds, Andy On 1 March 2010 12:29, Jonathan Tweed jonat...@tweed.name wrote: Hi Andy No idea if Davis's feeds are still working, but this is now supported by /programmes. For example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/programmes/schedules.ics Cheers Jonathan On 1 Mar 2010, at 11:55, Andy Smelt wrote: I mean the BBC program guide calendars which were a prototype developed by Davis Buxton. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2007/04/icalendar_versi.html e.g. webcal://gasmark6.com/guide/bbc/BBCRFour.ics On 1 March 2010 11:06, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I'm not totally sure which ones you mean but the backstage one still exists (although I got to say I've not updated it much recently) http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/calendar or if you prefer - http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andy Smelt Sent: 01 March 2010 10:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars Hi, Have just joined this list in order to find out what has happened to the BBC Google Calendars. They seem to have disappeared. I, for one (perhaps the only one!) found them very useful. Can anyone shed any light? Best Rgds, Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
