Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: People say there's nothing people can do about this but Pirate Bay was closed down and fined heavily and I haven't seen much about them since. Perhaps you haven't heard much about them in the news, but they weren't closed down and I suspect that users of the site didn't notice any difference at all. Adam
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Question
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote: If they did it right then it would be a help (of sorts) to Open Source projects and everybody would be happy. All that's needed is a website where there's a form that includes an all import I agree to the terms and conditions tick box and then everyone who uses an open source project could individually get their own tables. This would be pretty much identical to how a lot of Open Source projects that connect to Web Services that need a developer API key work. That's an interesting point, and it's possible that something like that could be done. But the BBC would require as part of the download agreement that you had appropriate content management on the device, wouldn't they? And that's the part that is really a problem - forcing content management into the ecosystem. Adam
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
I would assume that the rules for content protection would bar user created plugins from having access to the data. The Ofcom document had some comments from content providers about updates to the tables being necessary in the future if it gets broken, but it doesn't look like there are any firm plans there. If Freesat is using the same system of Huffman tables then what happened there? Are the tables public knowledge yet? Adam On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.netwrote: So is this just going to be another region-coding like affair where 'people' release cracked firmware or just press a few magic button sequences on their remote to remove this protection? And what about those vendors who sell DVRs that have community contributed plugins (e.g. like Topfield did/does); that's just going to make a mockery of this mockworthy content protection. - Phil On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 18:21 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 14-Jun-2010, at 18:14, Alex Cockell wrote: So i'll have to buy box after box to watch content? doubtful. those which have been sold for FVHD already will have in-built support for the mechanism (it's specced by the ETSI DVB standards), but will likely need an update to get the decoding table. that is, unless they're going to use the same decoding table as Freesat (given the fact that it was claimed to have been generated from a large sample set in order to ensure optimal compression rates, it _should_ be)… M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 15:49, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The BBC had a choice a) do nothing and run the risk of content not be available to licence fee payers b) do something which does achieve the desired effect and has a very small negative impact on a very small group of people if indeed it has any negative effect at all with respect, Nick, you've repeatedly demonstrated that you have no technical understanding of the proposal. your choices above are simply factually incorrect, unless 'the desired effect' is something other than that which has been publicly reported. If the desired effect was to limit what the average consumer can do with TV - i.e. only making one recording, and limiting how they can transfer this around their home - then it looks like it could achieve it. This ensures that any consumer electronics for Freeview HD will have to have content management built in. Similar questions to Andrew's above will be asked, of course. Why can't I record this TV show?, Why do some of my shows not copy to my iPod?, etc.
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.ukwrote: From: Adam Bradley Similar questions to Andrew's above will be asked, of course. Why can't I record this TV show?, Unless I've missed something (and I'm sure someone will tell me if I have!) there's no proposals on the table to prevent people from recording HD content - as long as the user has a suitable device. The Ofcom document has a requirement: That no functional content management restrictions are placed on the recording of HD content onto a DVR which is integrated into a receiver. This is a welcome protection, but suggests that if I have (e.g.) a Freeview HD receiver and a separate Blu-Ray recorder then I won't be able to record. Also, the content protection rules aren't defined or regulated by Ofcom, but by what seems to be an industry group. I can't see what we have to stop them unilaterally changing these terms in future, and historically a do not record flag has been high on their list. Why do some of my shows not copy to my iPod?, etc. It's so hard for me currently to get SD content off my PVR and on to my iPod that I've never done it. Point taken, but it would be nice if someone made it easy in future and this just makes it less likely. Perhaps Why can't I stream this on my network player upstairs would be a more likely question in the future. Adam
