RE: [backstage] Last played songs?
Yes I work in the area that takes the phone calls and e-mails from the audience and am always amazed by what the comments and enquiries are. Last week of the 24,610 contacts from the audience 114 were about Ceefax and 35 complaints about errors and inaccuracies... There will always have to be a balance between making information available and the cost (resource and otherwise) to provide it. Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 18 May 2006 15:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Last played songs? > I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Well, that at least goes some way to explaining why I find it an intolerable racket ;-) More seriously on this point, I think on this list there are a collection of people who are likely to be more tolerant of the 80/20 rule than the general public. You would be astonished at the number of phone calls, yes *phone calls*, that the BBC gets to complain about typographical errors on news.bbc.co.uk or spelling mistakes on News 24 captions or about pages failing to update on Ceefax. Dan is right to be wary. m James Mastros wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:53PM +0100, Richard P Edwards wrote: >>Hi, >>I would like to add to this. >>If you look on the Pete Tong Radio 1 web-site, for example, you will see >>that a playlist is published as much as possible. > Note, by the way, that the Pete Tong show (if it's the one I'm thinking of; > I've only caught the beginning of it once -- not my cup of tea) contains > just about every possible special case. It contains music mixed from the > source well in advance, it contains a live show, it probably contains single > performances split into multiple 2 hour chuncks. It's likely nearly > impossible for even the majority of the transcript to be up live, and I > suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus > his own drum machine. > >>Two points come to mind... >>1. If the shows are specialist then it is very important that the audience >>has this information. >>2. In which ever case, for the sake of the music business and new artists, >>there should never be a situation where this information is not documented >>for MCPS/PRS etc.. > I assume what you mean is "so that the artists get paid". There's a limit > to that, though. Artists don't need to get paid for several weeks (possibly > several months). They don't get paid for a few seconds of the song. In > fact, I'm surprised they get paid directly by the BBC at all -- in the US, > the recording industry gives away tracks, including the right to play them > on air -- to the radio. They consider it great advertising. OTOH, around > here there's a lot more TV advertising for music. (Not on the BBC, > obviously.) > >>Therefore 80% actually online now, is far better than the odd piece >>missed, for everyone concerned. Anyway - what do those show producers do >>whilst on air? > Um, produce the show? It takes a lot of effort to make this sort of thing > look effortless. Who do you think listens to everybody calling the Jo > Whiley show? (Which reminds me of another fun special case -- every morning > on her show at approx 10:30, she has a segment during which the entire point > is that the audience doesn't know what tracks are being played in real-time, > the 7 song shuffle.) > > -=- James Mastros > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Last played songs?
> I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Well, that at least goes some way to explaining why I find it an intolerable racket ;-) More seriously on this point, I think on this list there are a collection of people who are likely to be more tolerant of the 80/20 rule than the general public. You would be astonished at the number of phone calls, yes *phone calls*, that the BBC gets to complain about typographical errors on news.bbc.co.uk or spelling mistakes on News 24 captions or about pages failing to update on Ceefax. Dan is right to be wary. m James Mastros wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:53PM +0100, Richard P Edwards wrote: Hi, I would like to add to this. If you look on the Pete Tong Radio 1 web-site, for example, you will see that a playlist is published as much as possible. Note, by the way, that the Pete Tong show (if it's the one I'm thinking of; I've only caught the beginning of it once -- not my cup of tea) contains just about every possible special case. It contains music mixed from the source well in advance, it contains a live show, it probably contains single performances split into multiple 2 hour chuncks. It's likely nearly impossible for even the majority of the transcript to be up live, and I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Two points come to mind... 1. If the shows are specialist then it is very important that the audience has this information. 2. In which ever case, for the sake of the music business and new artists, there should never be a situation where this information is not documented for MCPS/PRS etc.. I assume what you mean is "so that the artists get paid". There's a limit to that, though. Artists don't need to get paid for several weeks (possibly several months). They don't get paid for a few seconds of the song. In fact, I'm surprised they get paid directly by the BBC at all -- in the US, the recording industry gives away tracks, including the right to play them on air -- to the radio. They consider it great advertising. OTOH, around here there's a lot more TV advertising for music. (Not on the BBC, obviously.) Therefore 80% actually online now, is far better than the odd piece missed, for everyone concerned. Anyway - what do those show producers do whilst on air? Um, produce the show? It takes a lot of effort to make this sort of thing look effortless. Who do you think listens to everybody calling the Jo Whiley show? (Which reminds me of another fun special case -- every morning on her show at approx 10:30, she has a segment during which the entire point is that the audience doesn't know what tracks are being played in real-time, the 7 song shuffle.) -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Last played songs?
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:53PM +0100, Richard P Edwards wrote: >Hi, >I would like to add to this. >If you look on the Pete Tong Radio 1 web-site, for example, you will see >that a playlist is published as much as possible. Note, by the way, that the Pete Tong show (if it's the one I'm thinking of; I've only caught the beginning of it once -- not my cup of tea) contains just about every possible special case. It contains music mixed from the source well in advance, it contains a live show, it probably contains single performances split into multiple 2 hour chuncks. It's likely nearly impossible for even the majority of the transcript to be up live, and I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. >Two points come to mind... >1. If the shows are specialist then it is very important that the audience >has this information. >2. In which ever case, for the sake of the music business and new artists, >there should never be a situation where this information is not documented >for MCPS/PRS etc.. I assume what you mean is "so that the artists get paid". There's a limit to that, though. Artists don't need to get paid for several weeks (possibly several months). They don't get paid for a few seconds of the song. In fact, I'm surprised they get paid directly by the BBC at all -- in the US, the recording industry gives away tracks, including the right to play them on air -- to the radio. They consider it great advertising. OTOH, around here there's a lot more TV advertising for music. (Not on the BBC, obviously.) >Therefore 80% actually online now, is far better than the odd piece >missed, for everyone concerned. Anyway - what do those show producers do >whilst on air? Um, produce the show? It takes a lot of effort to make this sort of thing look effortless. Who do you think listens to everybody calling the Jo Whiley show? (Which reminds me of another fun special case -- every morning on her show at approx 10:30, she has a segment during which the entire point is that the audience doesn't know what tracks are being played in real-time, the 7 song shuffle.) -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Last played songs?
Please note I did say '*tend* towards 100%' :). You're both correct - and it's the kind of approach that led to us doing Radio Player in the first place, all those years ago, along with downloads and podcasts, Live Text to web, radio on DTV etc etc, so I'd say we're fairly well-versed with that approach. Some people say rather too well-versed. The threshold or sweet-spot is key i.e. in my view, it needs to be 'more than good enough'; but not such that it inhibits quick, agile, iterative deployment. As Ken also points out, the workflow issues are huge, and have to be managed correctly. Even in an automated system, someone, somewhere is going to have to be typing in track name, artist name etc. - even with CD ripper software underpinned by Musicbrainz etc etc. before the HD playouts ... This has to be carefully managed to as to introduce new levels of information around shows, without undermining the show production process. D/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Burrell-CAPITASent: 16 May 2006 15:52To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: RE: [backstage] Last played songs? Hi all I am a newbie and have been sitting on the side lines observing since signing up about a month ago. Fascinating stuff, even for someone who isn't a developer. From my years of experience having a dialogue with the BBC audience and information provision James is spot on. 100% is very ambitious and our experience of trying to get all output areas to provide all information for the audience, just in case, can be a waste of effort. I agree if it can be done automatically then fine, but if it requires manual effort then do not expect that it will (always) be done. Ken Ken Burrell BBC Information On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:57:05PM +0100, Dan Hill wrote: > >Release early, release often. > > Indeed, although we're concentrating on 'mainstream' users for these > feeds, rather than Backstage, so I'd rather we tended towards 100% and > avoided unecessary studio info where possible. It may be that we have a > fuller feed for Backstage etc. alongside. I think the general public would like partial info better then none too -- it's just fine for them if it sometimes shows up with "(custom content)". Even better if it knows what mics are live, and who is sitting in front of them, though obviously that'd require some extra work for producers (or engineers, depending on how the show works). The last 20% takes 80% of the time, but a large amount of your audience only cares about the first 80% anyway. IOW, when you can't figure out what's being played, just put in a placeholder. -=- James Mastros
Re: [backstage] Last played songs?
Hi,I would like to add to this.If you look on the Pete Tong Radio 1 web-site, for example, you will see that a playlist is published as much as possible.Two points come to mind...1. If the shows are specialist then it is very important that the audience has this information.2. In which ever case, for the sake of the music business and new artists, there should never be a situation where this information is not documented for MCPS/PRS etc.. Therefore 80% actually online now, is far better than the odd piece missed, for everyone concerned. Anyway - what do those show producers do whilst on air?RegardsRichard EdwardsOn 16 May 2006, at 15:51, Kenneth Burrell-CAPITA wrote:Hi all I am a newbie and have been sitting on the side lines observing since signing up about a month ago. Fascinating stuff, even for someone who isn't a developer. From my years of experience having a dialogue with the BBC audience and information provision James is spot on. 100% is very ambitious and our experience of trying to get all output areas to provide all information for the audience, just in case, can be a waste of effort. I agree if it can be done automatically then fine, but if it requires manual effort then do not expect that it will (always) be done. Ken Ken BurrellBBC Information On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:57:05PM +0100, Dan Hill wrote:> >Release early, release often.>> Indeed, although we're concentrating on 'mainstream' users for these> feeds, rather than Backstage, so I'd rather we tended towards 100% and> avoided unecessary studio info where possible. It may be that we have a> fuller feed for Backstage etc. alongside.I think the general public would like partial info better then none too --it's just fine for them if it sometimes shows up with "(custom content)".Even better if it knows what mics are live, and who is sitting in front ofthem, though obviously that'd require some extra work for producers (orengineers, depending on how the show works). The last 20% takes 80% of thetime, but a large amount of your audience only cares about the first 80%anyway. IOW, when you can't figure out what's being played, just put in aplaceholder. -=- James Mastros
RE: [backstage] Last played songs?
Hi all I am a newbie and have been sitting on the side lines observing since signing up about a month ago. Fascinating stuff, even for someone who isn't a developer. From my years of experience having a dialogue with the BBC audience and information provision James is spot on. 100% is very ambitious and our experience of trying to get all output areas to provide all information for the audience, just in case, can be a waste of effort. I agree if it can be done automatically then fine, but if it requires manual effort then do not expect that it will (always) be done. Ken Ken Burrell BBC Information On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:57:05PM +0100, Dan Hill wrote: > >Release early, release often. > > Indeed, although we're concentrating on 'mainstream' users for these > feeds, rather than Backstage, so I'd rather we tended towards 100% and > avoided unecessary studio info where possible. It may be that we have a > fuller feed for Backstage etc. alongside. I think the general public would like partial info better then none too -- it's just fine for them if it sometimes shows up with "(custom content)". Even better if it knows what mics are live, and who is sitting in front of them, though obviously that'd require some extra work for producers (or engineers, depending on how the show works). The last 20% takes 80% of the time, but a large amount of your audience only cares about the first 80% anyway. IOW, when you can't figure out what's being played, just put in a placeholder. -=- James Mastros
Re: [backstage] Last played songs?
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:57:05PM +0100, Dan Hill wrote: > >Release early, release often. > > Indeed, although we're concentrating on 'mainstream' users for these > feeds, rather than Backstage, so I'd rather we tended towards 100% and > avoided unecessary studio info where possible. It may be that we have a > fuller feed for Backstage etc. alongside. I think the general public would like partial info better then none too -- it's just fine for them if it sometimes shows up with "(custom content)". Even better if it knows what mics are live, and who is sitting in front of them, though obviously that'd require some extra work for producers (or engineers, depending on how the show works). The last 20% takes 80% of the time, but a large amount of your audience only cares about the first 80% anyway. IOW, when you can't figure out what's being played, just put in a placeholder. -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Last played songs?
>Release early, release often. Indeed, although we're concentrating on 'mainstream' users for these feeds, rather than Backstage, so I'd rather we tended towards 100% and avoided unecessary studio info where possible. It may be that we have a fuller feed for Backstage etc. alongside. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Mastros Sent: 16 May 2006 14:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Last played songs? On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:12:41PM +0100, Dan Hill wrote: >And there's still the odd bit of vinyl etc. chucked in at the last minute >- plus live outside broadcasts etc. Which means metadata input >retrospectively, or thereabouts. As BBC radio shows are 'hand-built' >rather than selected by track-rotation software, it's a bit tricky to get >a 100% accurate live feed - but we're putting a fair bit of effort into >making that available. It'd certianly be a very good start to get the feed set up without being 100%, then add more information to the existing API. That is, times when the input isn't from a track on the computer, just show "CD Player 1", "Vinyl 1", "Mic 1", etc, with an attribute that it's not a real track. Don't forget to inclue the possibilty of multiple sources being live at once. Warn your users that new tags and attributes may show up later, and to expect multi-namespacing. Release early, release often. -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Last played songs?
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:12:41PM +0100, Dan Hill wrote: >And there's still the odd bit of vinyl etc. chucked in at the last minute >- plus live outside broadcasts etc. Which means metadata input >retrospectively, or thereabouts. As BBC radio shows are 'hand-built' >rather than selected by track-rotation software, it's a bit tricky to get >a 100% accurate live feed - but we're putting a fair bit of effort into >making that available. It'd certianly be a very good start to get the feed set up without being 100%, then add more information to the existing API. That is, times when the input isn't from a track on the computer, just show "CD Player 1", "Vinyl 1", "Mic 1", etc, with an attribute that it's not a real track. Don't forget to inclue the possibilty of multiple sources being live at once. Warn your users that new tags and attributes may show up later, and to expect multi-namespacing. Release early, release often. -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Last played songs?
Title: Re: [backstage] Last played songs? M Vinyl. Let me know if you’ve got spare turntables to get rid of. ;) I was over in your manor this morning but sadly didn’t have time to stop by – not that you were probably there in any case. I trust all is well in your world? On 16/5/06 2:12 pm, "Dan Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And there's still the odd bit of vinyl etc. chucked in at the last minute - plus live outside broadcasts etc. Which means metadata input retrospectively, or thereabouts. As BBC radio shows are 'hand-built' rather than selected by track-rotation software, it's a bit tricky to get a 100% accurate live feed - but we're putting a fair bit of effort into making that available. We'll ideally be making this public, RSS and all, so everyone can play with it (inc Backstage!) - but lots of tech/workflow/user experience/legal issues to sort. You can see track playing data coming from these hard disk playout systems (via a circuitous route) in Flash tickers on a few of the radio sites e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/ ... Obviously not ideal, or what you're looking for, but there's more development to follow. D. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Ferne Sent: 15 May 2006 15:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Last played songs? Yes, there are plans to have feeds of recently played songs though I'm not sure what the timescale is. And I think there are rights issues around making this kind of information available. In the meantime you might want to have a look at http://www.last.fm/user/sekrit/ and its friends. Anyway, this is how I understand it works: production teams preload tracks onto the hard disk playout system (VCS) and the tracks are then played out in that order during the show - actually controlled by a couple of faders. The detail of exactly how it is used will change from show to show. At the moment we have Radios 1, 2, 1Xtra and 6Music running from VCS and, as you say, not everything is played out from VCS. Also a lot of late night shows (i.e. lots the specialist music stuff) are pre-recorded and loaded onto VCS as (e.g.) 2-hour chunks so we don't get the track info for these. But we're working on it... Tristan - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer (R&D) BBC Radio & Music Interactive From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 May 2006 19:29 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Last played songs? I was wondering if the BBC has any plans to have the last played songs made available on the website live, as they get played out, like they do on some other stations. Now that the BBC are (have already?) shifted towards VCS at BBC Radio 1 and 2 for playout of most of their things (I guess the specialist shows have to be manually play listed written after the show since they run off CDs and vinyl), surely it’s possible for some sort of thing to be done with the data that is collated by these systems for music license fee collection to be pushed to a feed as is done with the latest headlines on BBC News – I am not 100% sure of the technical ins and outs of this, but surely something could be knocked up for people at Backstage to play with? For those in the know, I’d be interested in how the playout systems and other things on the radio side work. i.e. what does a presenter do to play something? Do the presenters choose the order of the songs, or does their producer do it? That kind of thing … Thanks - C -- louisa heinrich :: executive, BBCi broadcast centre bc5 c5 :: 201 wood lane :: london w12 7tp tel 0208 008 5841 :: mobile 07981 913 034
RE: [backstage] Last played songs?
And there's still the odd bit of vinyl etc. chucked in at the last minute - plus live outside broadcasts etc. Which means metadata input retrospectively, or thereabouts. As BBC radio shows are 'hand-built' rather than selected by track-rotation software, it's a bit tricky to get a 100% accurate live feed - but we're putting a fair bit of effort into making that available. We'll ideally be making this public, RSS and all, so everyone can play with it (inc Backstage!) - but lots of tech/workflow/user experience/legal issues to sort. You can see track playing data coming from these hard disk playout systems (via a circuitous route) in Flash tickers on a few of the radio sites e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/ ... Obviously not ideal, or what you're looking for, but there's more development to follow. D. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan FerneSent: 15 May 2006 15:46To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: RE: [backstage] Last played songs? Yes, there are plans to have feeds of recently played songs though I'm not sure what the timescale is. And I think there are rights issues around making this kind of information available. In the meantime you might want to have a look at http://www.last.fm/user/sekrit/ and its friends. Anyway, this is how I understand it works: production teams preload tracks onto the hard disk playout system (VCS) and the tracks are then played out in that order during the show - actually controlled by a couple of faders. The detail of exactly how it is used will change from show to show. At the moment we have Radios 1, 2, 1Xtra and 6Music running from VCS and, as you say, not everything is played out from VCS. Also a lot of late night shows (i.e. lots the specialist music stuff) are pre-recorded and loaded onto VCS as (e.g.) 2-hour chunks so we don't get the track info for these. But we're working on it... Tristan -Tristan FerneSenior Development Producer (R&D)BBC Radio & Music Interactive From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 14 May 2006 19:29To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Last played songs? I was wondering if the BBC has any plans to have the last played songs made available on the website live, as they get played out, like they do on some other stations. Now that the BBC are (have already?) shifted towards VCS at BBC Radio 1 and 2 for playout of most of their things (I guess the specialist shows have to be manually play listed written after the show since they run off CDs and vinyl), surely it’s possible for some sort of thing to be done with the data that is collated by these systems for music license fee collection to be pushed to a feed as is done with the latest headlines on BBC News – I am not 100% sure of the technical ins and outs of this, but surely something could be knocked up for people at Backstage to play with? For those in the know, I’d be interested in how the playout systems and other things on the radio side work. i.e. what does a presenter do to play something? Do the presenters choose the order of the songs, or does their producer do it? That kind of thing … Thanks - C
RE: [backstage] Last played songs?
Yes, there are plans to have feeds of recently played songs though I'm not sure what the timescale is. And I think there are rights issues around making this kind of information available. In the meantime you might want to have a look at http://www.last.fm/user/sekrit/ and its friends. Anyway, this is how I understand it works: production teams preload tracks onto the hard disk playout system (VCS) and the tracks are then played out in that order during the show - actually controlled by a couple of faders. The detail of exactly how it is used will change from show to show. At the moment we have Radios 1, 2, 1Xtra and 6Music running from VCS and, as you say, not everything is played out from VCS. Also a lot of late night shows (i.e. lots the specialist music stuff) are pre-recorded and loaded onto VCS as (e.g.) 2-hour chunks so we don't get the track info for these. But we're working on it... Tristan -Tristan FerneSenior Development Producer (R&D)BBC Radio & Music Interactive From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 14 May 2006 19:29To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Last played songs? I was wondering if the BBC has any plans to have the last played songs made available on the website live, as they get played out, like they do on some other stations. Now that the BBC are (have already?) shifted towards VCS at BBC Radio 1 and 2 for playout of most of their things (I guess the specialist shows have to be manually play listed written after the show since they run off CDs and vinyl), surely it’s possible for some sort of thing to be done with the data that is collated by these systems for music license fee collection to be pushed to a feed as is done with the latest headlines on BBC News – I am not 100% sure of the technical ins and outs of this, but surely something could be knocked up for people at Backstage to play with? For those in the know, I’d be interested in how the playout systems and other things on the radio side work. i.e. what does a presenter do to play something? Do the presenters choose the order of the songs, or does their producer do it? That kind of thing … Thanks - C
[backstage] Last played songs?
I was wondering if the BBC has any plans to have the last played songs made available on the website live, as they get played out, like they do on some other stations. Now that the BBC are (have already?) shifted towards VCS at BBC Radio 1 and 2 for playout of most of their things (I guess the specialist shows have to be manually play listed written after the show since they run off CDs and vinyl), surely it’s possible for some sort of thing to be done with the data that is collated by these systems for music license fee collection to be pushed to a feed as is done with the latest headlines on BBC News – I am not 100% sure of the technical ins and outs of this, but surely something could be knocked up for people at Backstage to play with? For those in the know, I’d be interested in how the playout systems and other things on the radio side work. i.e. what does a presenter do to play something? Do the presenters choose the order of the songs, or does their producer do it? That kind of thing … Thanks - C
