Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Ian Forrester wrote: No I'd rather you not turn this into a Party Political debate. If you want that type of debate, I can suggest many other places. Okie Dokie. Sorry to cause offence. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Christopher Woods wrote: -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Stephen Jolly Sent: 06 April 2010 11:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester] How did the flashmob go, out of interest? +1 - any photos from the event? It went well, we had about 15 people there including Lib Dem MP for Manchester Withington, John Leech. Yeah there should be so photos and a report up soon. Possibly video too. Sorry for being slow. There are lots of things taking up time at the moment! Cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Mo McRoberts wrote: I’m fast running out of parties to vote for next month. The only party actually voicing real dissent is the one which introduced the bill! At risk of turning this into a party political debate, may I suggest the Pirate Party UK? :P Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
No I'd rather you not turn this into a Party Political debate. If you want that type of debate, I can suggest many other places. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 07 April 2010 11:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester] Mo McRoberts wrote: I’m fast running out of parties to vote for next month. The only party actually voicing real dissent is the one which introduced the bill! At risk of turning this into a party political debate, may I suggest the Pirate Party UK? :P Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
For all interested parties: the ORG is also encouraging people to phone their MPs today, and there's ads appearing in the Grauniad and the Times (funded by donors to their last rush fundraising campaign). Go to the 38degrees site to find your MP's phone number if you fancy giving them a call! http://www.38degrees.org.uk/deb-call-your-mp -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 01 April 2010 02:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester] Whilst the practicalities of the Digital Economy Bill, may seem like a complete joke, sadly this email is no April Fools Prank. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
How did the flashmob go, out of interest? S On 6 Apr 2010, at 11:38, Christopher Woods wrote: For all interested parties: the ORG is also encouraging people to phone their MPs today, and there's ads appearing in the Grauniad and the Times (funded by donors to their last rush fundraising campaign). Go to the 38degrees site to find your MP's phone number if you fancy giving them a call! http://www.38degrees.org.uk/deb-call-your-mp -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 01 April 2010 02:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester] Whilst the practicalities of the Digital Economy Bill, may seem like a complete joke, sadly this email is no April Fools Prank. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
-Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Stephen Jolly Sent: 06 April 2010 11:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester] How did the flashmob go, out of interest? +1 - any photos from the event? Listening to live debate of the DEB on BBC Parliament right at the moment... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6 Apr 2010, at 11:38, Christopher Woods wrote: and there's ads appearing in the Grauniad and the Times Just seen some on Facebook as well. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Just seen some on Facebook as well. I'm just off to the shop to pick up a Grauniad to see how my tenner looks on print ;) Austin Mitchell (and surprisingly, a few other Labour MPs) are talking a lot of sense about the DEB. Shame it'll just get pushed through the wash-up almost irrespective of MPs' (and public) opinion :( - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6 Apr 2010, at 18:28, Christopher Woods wrote: Austin Mitchell (and surprisingly, a few other Labour MPs) are talking a lot of sense about the DEB. Shame it'll just get pushed through the wash- up almost irrespective of MPs' (and public) opinion :( unlike Sion Simon who is talking about a fantasy world, in his own words... f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6 Apr 2010, at 19:07, Mo McRoberts wrote: unlike Sion Simon who is talking about a fantasy world, in his own words... utter and total waffle. Tom Watson’s intervention sailed _right_ over his head. and then Pete Wishart, glossing over his register interests rather than 'fessing up in the clear. sigh f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6-Apr-2010, at 19:15, Fearghas McKay wrote: On 6 Apr 2010, at 19:07, Mo McRoberts wrote: unlike Sion Simon who is talking about a fantasy world, in his own words... utter and total waffle. Tom Watson’s intervention sailed _right_ over his head. and then Pete Wishart, glossing over his register interests rather than 'fessing up in the clear. the SNP’s sole member in the house. I’m fast running out of parties to vote for next month. The only party actually voicing real dissent is the one which introduced the bill! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
There are more people debating on Twitter about the Bill #debill than there in the House. By the hundreds. Of times. On 6 April 2010 19:21, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On 6-Apr-2010, at 19:15, Fearghas McKay wrote: On 6 Apr 2010, at 19:07, Mo McRoberts wrote: unlike Sion Simon who is talking about a fantasy world, in his own words... utter and total waffle. Tom Watson’s intervention sailed _right_ over his head. and then Pete Wishart, glossing over his register interests rather than 'fessing up in the clear. the SNP’s sole member in the house. I’m fast running out of parties to vote for next month. The only party actually voicing real dissent is the one which introduced the bill! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
I'm hoping they'll do the right thing and kill the bill. Alex - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Alex Cockell wrote: I'm hoping they'll do the right thing and kill the bill. Nope - just voted to send it to the committee stage tomorrow. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Equally Rich On 6 Apr 2010, at 22:29, Alex Cockell wrote: I'm hoping they'll do the right thing and kill the bill. Alex - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
I'm hoping they'll do the right thing and kill the bill. Nope - just voted to send it to the committee stage tomorrow. The eyes have it, the eyes have it. RT @rhodri: And that was that, folks. The ayes have it. Chuckling in the chamber. That's democracy, folks. #debill And now they all head (back?) off to Strangers for the subsidised pints ;) The irony I found with Wishart's apparent stance on this is that he's in a band, and has been in a few prior to this. Up until now I was under the impression that he was broadly in favour of doing *something* but that he took issue with the way certain amendments were almost overreaching their mandate (if such a thing is possible). I'm now worried he might not be considering how damaging sections of the Bill could potentially be to artists and bands who don't have the advantage of prior exposure. Oh well, the hashtags will be busy for a while yet tonight methinks... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:00 +0100, Fearghas McKay wrote: Nope - just voted to send it to the committee stage tomorrow. Umm - does that mean we've lost? That all we can look forward to is paying through the nose for absolutely everything? And the only route I have as a Linux user is to humbly ask any media supplier to make material available in a form I can do stuff with? -- Alex Cockell a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6-Apr-2010, at 22:10, Christopher Woods wrote: I'm hoping they'll do the right thing and kill the bill. Nope - just voted to send it to the committee stage tomorrow. The eyes have it, the eyes have it. RT @rhodri: And that was that, folks. The ayes have it. Chuckling in the chamber. That's democracy, folks. #debill And now they all head (back?) off to Strangers for the subsidised pints ;) The irony I found with Wishart's apparent stance on this is that he's in a band, and has been in a few prior to this. Up until now I was under the impression that he was broadly in favour of doing *something* but that he took issue with the way certain amendments were almost overreaching their mandate (if such a thing is possible). I'm now worried he might not be considering how damaging sections of the Bill could potentially be to artists and bands who don't have the advantage of prior exposure. I’m not willing to share my opinion to Wishart in polite company right now. There’s lies, damned lies, statistics, and statistics quoted in parliament. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6-Apr-2010, at 22:13, Alex Cockell wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:00 +0100, Fearghas McKay wrote: Nope - just voted to send it to the committee stage tomorrow. Umm - does that mean we've lost? I *think* so. not really sure. That all we can look forward to is paying through the nose for absolutely everything? And the only route I have as a Linux user is to humbly ask any media supplier to make material available in a form I can do stuff with? that has pretty much ’owt to do with any of the provisions of the bill. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:20 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 6-Apr-2010, at 22:13, Alex Cockell wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:00 +0100, Fearghas McKay wrote: Nope - just voted to send it to the committee stage tomorrow. Umm - does that mean we've lost? I *think* so. not really sure. According to this (below) it would appear that we haven't lost yet. But then again, maybe I'm misunderstanding the due process in parliament. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8605648.stm Controversial elements of the Digital Economy Bill will face further scrutiny even if the bill is passed later, Commons Leader Harriet Harman has said. - Phil Lewis - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 6-Apr-2010, at 22:32, Phil Lewis wrote: According to this (below) it would appear that we haven't lost yet. But then again, maybe I'm misunderstanding the due process in parliament. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8605648.stm Controversial elements of the Digital Economy Bill will face further scrutiny even if the bill is passed later, Commons Leader Harriet Harman has said. It’s just an attempt to ram it through. There’s no guarantee that the current Government will be the one in power by the time it comes into force, and “scrutiny” doesn’t necessarily mean “proper parliamentary debate”. It’s not sunk yet, but it’s pretty unlikely given that the two front-benches have agreed and the whips are keeping everyone in line. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
Whilst the practicalities of the Digital Economy Bill, may seem like a complete joke, sadly this email is no April Fools Prank. As you may be aware, the Digital Economy Bill is a piece of legislation which, if put through, would have quite serious implications for Digital Industries. What is the Digital Economy Bill? - Whilst billed a law about preventing copyright infringement, the bill has far reaching powers, allowing the government to block websites, (social networks, wikileaks, wikipedia), at will and changing one of the basis's of UK common law in assuming you guilty until proven innocent. THe bit I find particularly unhelpful the segment that holds the subscriber of the internet service liable for all activies on that line. This is essentially the death of open wifi in cafes and bars - its just unworkable if you are liable for the actions of your patrons. Why are we protesting? -- The DEB has been written at the behest of the media industry (some clauses were actually written by the BPI) with absolutely no regard for anybody else. Furthermore, not only is this bill flawed, it is being rushed through parliament without debate using a process known as wash up, which was intended for use on uncontroversial bills. If you're coming to the flashmob then sign up to get a ticket on EventBrite so we can let you know the exact location of the flashmob shortly before it begins! http://debflashmobmanchester.eventbrite.com/ We'll have plenty of flyers so just bring yourself and something to censor yourself with but we'll be providing black tape in case you can't. I'm sorry it has got to this stage, however I hope you'll join me there, Thanks, Tim Dobson -- PPUK PPC for Manchester Gorton 0161 8500 185 @tdobson http://tdobson.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
