Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
facebook terms of usage are quite clear for their api's. They make a lot of data available, pretty much everything in fact including email addresses but you are pretty much only allowed to store indefinitely (more than 24 hours) the uniqueid fields of any records. They state the 24 hour time frame as reasonable to allow caching. 2008/5/2 Vladimir Harman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: cool :) --- On Wed, 4/30/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [backstage] The future of the internet To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 4:19 PM 'd like to draw yo attention to a book published recently... 'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan Zittrain http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1209563113sr=1-1 I'd like to draw your attention to these sites ;) : http://www.linkpot.net http://www.tinyurl.com http://www.tiny.cc/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Alan Parry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
cool :) --- On Wed, 4/30/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [backstage] The future of the internet To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 4:19 PM 'd like to draw yo attention to a book published recently... 'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan Zittrain http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1209563113sr=1-1 I'd like to draw your attention to these sites ;) : http://www.linkpot.net http://www.tinyurl.com http://www.tiny.cc/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever. I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
On 01/05/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever. I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... I *think* as long as you're logged in as you, and they are your contacts, I don't see why not - because you could essentially go through and write each one down on paper, or copy/paste the data. So getting your own bot to do it doesn't seem that bad? One thing however, the email addresses are rendered in graphical form on profile pages, so a bit of OCR would be required. But do share your results if you try it. Also take a look at Facedown, little app to download your facebook albums: http://www.vincentcheung.ca/facedown/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
Brian Butterworth wrote: On 01/05/2008, *Martin Belam* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever. I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6135226994topic=3088 http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~mrowe/foafgenerator.html I think you can get a lot of data out, but not emails of your buddys (without screenscraping, per plaxo/scoble fuss earlier this year). Dan -- http://danbri.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
Matt Barber wrote: It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... I *think* as long as you're logged in as you, and they are your contacts, I don't see why not - because you could essentially go through and write each one down on paper, or copy/paste the data. So getting your own bot to do it doesn't seem that bad? One thing however, the email addresses are rendered in graphical form on profile pages, so a bit of OCR would be required. But do share your results if you try it. Yup, esp if anyone gets that OCR thing working with free tools. But I imagine the Facebook team must feel 'damned if we do, damned if we don't'... I just found http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7376738.stm The BBC's technology programme Click has exposed a security flaw in the social networking site Facebook which could compromise privacy. Oh no! we can't get data out of Facebook! Oh no! we can get data out of Facebook! Having been on the 'give us our data back' side of the fence for years, I'm starting to think that argument's been won, and the real issue is how we deal with having gotten our data back. Especially when 'our' is a bit vague; how much information about you do I have a right to extract if we're Facebook buddies? http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/fear-of-a-foaf-planet http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/whatever-i-can-get Figuring out how to help real users make sane choices here, without trying to explain OpenID/Oauth or worse to non-geeks, ... that's the hard problem. I don't think this is just about Facebook hoarding data. Dan -- http://danbri.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] The future of the internet
'd like to draw yo attention to a book published recently... 'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan Zittrain http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1209563113sr=1-1 This extraordinary book explains the engine that has catapulted the Internet from backwater to ubiquity—and reveals that it is sputtering precisely because of its runaway success. With the unwitting help of its users, the generative Internet is on a path to a lockdown, ending its cycle of innovation—and facilitating unsettling new kinds of control. IPods, iPhones, Xboxes, and TiVos represent the first wave of Internet-centered products that can’t be easily modified by anyone except their vendors or selected partners. These “tethered appliances” have already been used in remarkable but little-known ways: car GPS systems have been reconfigured at the demand of law enforcement to eavesdrop on the occupants at all times, and digital video recorders have been ordered to self-destruct thanks to a lawsuit against the manufacturer thousands of miles away. New Web 2.0 platforms like Google mash-ups and Facebook are rightly touted—but their applications can be similarly monitored and eliminated from a central source. As tethered appliances and applications eclipse the PC, the very nature of the Internet—its “generativity,” or innovative character—is at risk. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
'd like to draw yo attention to a book published recently... 'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan Zittrain http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1209563113sr=1-1 I'd like to draw your attention to these sites ;) : http://www.linkpot.net http://www.tinyurl.com http://www.tiny.cc/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
