Re: [backstage] Competition Commission bounces Project Kangeroo
Wasn't the point of Kangaroo that it would offer programmes for sale, after the time-window for iPlayer-style catch-up services had expired? I'm not sure. I thought it was supposed to be some standard for IPTV set top boxes, but all the reports make it out to be an extended version of iPlayer. Maybe you're thinking of http://www.google.com/search?q=project+canvas Matt -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Competition Commission bounces Project Kangeroo
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7869181.stm A victory or a loss for consumer choice? -jeremy P.S. Also; opportunities for a marsupial pun thread. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Competition Commission bounces Project Kangeroo
by opening up some data about their services and allowing 3rd party aggregators (assuming rights holders don't spit tacks over the idea). I agree with the idea of opening up more meta data. video assets are trickier when ads come into play though. who would sell the advertising, where would it be displayed, how would it be monitored, how would the rights owners ensure that everyone on the CDN was the right kind of target platform for the ads etc. tough issues. at the moment those kinds of concerns prohibit many kinds of open syndication possibilities. rights holders for some content have already started putting some of their content onto 3rd parties. ie this Peep Show (traditionally a channel4 show) on Joost. http://www.joost.com/129byl2/t/Peep-Show-103#id=129byl2 more of this is bound to happen. unfortunately the richness of meta data that exists on channel4.com for peep show http://www.channel4.com/programmes/peep-show isn't available on other sites, so the user's experience of discovering and consuming these programmes is going to be quite varied, which is a shame. i look forward to seeing how all the moving parts in this end up re-linking over the next months though. In the end the biggest loser is going to be the Competition Commission as I bet history will view them as not getting the online marketplace. sadly true From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 04 February 2009 16:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Competition Commission bounces Project Kangeroo On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:53, Jeremy James j...@forbidden.co.uk wrote: See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7869181.stm A victory or a loss for consumer choice? -jeremy Neither. Having 3 URLs instead of 1 isn't going make much of a difference from the consumers point of view (which is why I fail to see how Kangaroo would have been more damaging to competition than 3 separate services). The Big 3 could probably simulate Kangaroo by opening up some data about their services and allowing 3rd party aggregators (assuming rights holders don't spit tacks over the idea). In the end the biggest loser is going to be the Competition Commission as I bet history will view them as not getting the online marketplace. Scot # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
[backstage] competition...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/mar/26/digitalmedia.radio?gusrc=rssfeed=media GNM hires Yahoo developer Guardian News Media is set to expand its technology department with the appointment of Matt McAlister, currently the director of Yahoo's developer network in San Francisco. McAlister will be taking up the new role as head of the Guardian's development network from the end of April, leading a new project to offer data and tools for external developers. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Competition: Flickr Hacks book to give away
At 16:25 + 17/3/06, Ben Metcalfe wrote: Hey all, I've been given a brand new copy of O'Reilly's newly-published book Flickr Hacks, which I would like to give away to a member of the Backstage community mailing list. :) Congratulations to Steve Drew, who has won the competition. Thanks to everyone who entered, I think it's something we will try and run regularly (if we can find some more prizes!). If you would like to see a video of the draw (whooo!) then check out the backstage.bbc.co.uk blog post: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2006/03/flickr_hacks_bo.html cheers Ben Backstage.bbc.co.uk - Don't give up the day job, Ben and Jemmy! Now. Back to Rocket Boom:-) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Competition: Flickr Hacks book to give away
Hey all, I've been given a brand new copy of O'Reilly's newly-published book Flickr Hacks, which I would like to give away to a member of the Backstage community mailing list. :) According to http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/flickrhks/: Flickr Hacks (by Paul Bausch and Jim Bumgardner) expands the fun and the utility of Flickr, Yahoo!'s popular digital photo-sharing service, by customizing this cutting-edge technology to store, sort, and share photos. The book adopts the game-like appeal of the Flickr site, in individual projects ranging from easy to advanced. If you would like to enter, please send an empty email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Flickr Hacks in the title. We'll put all of the emails into a virtual hat and pull out a winner on Friday 14th - so get your entries in before then! (Just one per person, please!) Ben Metcalfe Backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Competition: Flickr Hacks book to give away
We'll put all of the emails into a virtual hat and pull out a winner on Friday 14th - so get your entries in before then! (Just one per person, please!) Well done to the many of you who spotted the deliberate mistake. I meant Friday 17th of March, of course! Sorry, there's no prize for spotting that! Cheers Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Metcalfe Sent: 14 March 2006 13:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Competition: Flickr Hacks book to give away Hey all, I've been given a brand new copy of O'Reilly's newly-published book Flickr Hacks, which I would like to give away to a member of the Backstage community mailing list. :) According to http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/flickrhks/: Flickr Hacks (by Paul Bausch and Jim Bumgardner) expands the fun and the utility of Flickr, Yahoo!'s popular digital photo-sharing service, by customizing this cutting-edge technology to store, sort, and share photos. The book adopts the game-like appeal of the Flickr site, in individual projects ranging from easy to advanced. If you would like to enter, please send an empty email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Flickr Hacks in the title. We'll put all of the emails into a virtual hat and pull out a winner on Friday 14th - so get your entries in before then! (Just one per person, please!) Ben Metcalfe Backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Competition: Flickr Hacks book to give away
On Tue, March 14, 2006 6:41 pm, Ben Metcalfe said: We'll put all of the emails into a virtual hat and pull out a winner on Friday 14th - so get your entries in before then! (Just one per person, please!) Well done to the many of you who spotted the deliberate mistake. I meant Friday 17th of March, of course! Heh. I just figured you meant Friday the 14th of April, although I did think it was a bit long. :D - Ciaran. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Competition: Flickr Hacks book to give away
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RE: [backstage] Competition
Title: Message I think a Web Service for the schedule data is an excellent idea. I believe the reason it wasn't offered from the outset was because the TV listings data was just a trial. However I think it will remain a permanent part of backstage and so we should definitely look into adding a REST/SOAP interface on top of it. Will let you know what happens... Ben -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graeme MulvaneySent: 25 October 2005 22:18To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: Re: [backstage] Competition Maybe when you get back we could compare notes - I wrote some web services to query the tvanytime data - I'm a Microsofteeand would be interesting to see how you tackled the problem. Ben, et al. any chance we could look at implementing a web service to tack onto the existing BBC schedules site - it would cut out the hassles involved with managing copies of the tv anytime data ? We got roped into the billion minutes thing at work - BBC provides a public service - I'd rather spend my 2500 minutes working on something like this, rather than out in the rain. On 10/25/05, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,Is there any news on the results of the competition?It has been a few weeks and unless I have missed something, it hasn't been mentioned for a while.Unfortunately the VoIP and SMS parts of my project are currently unavailable asI'm on holiday and didn't want to leave it running unattended and my computerhas a habit of over heating :-( On a different subject would anyone have any use for a TV Listings SOAP Service?I'm currently working on one to help integrate the different parts of myproject, but could make it available to other people. Have fun, I'm off for some Moroccan mint tea :-)Adam-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Competition
Maybe when you get back we could compare notes - I wrote some web services to query the tvanytime data - I'm a Microsofteeand would be interesting to see how you tackled the problem. Ben, et al. any chance we could look at implementing a web service to tack onto the existing BBC schedules site - it would cut out the hassles involved with managing copies of the tv anytime data ? We got roped into the billion minutes thing at work - BBC provides a public service - I'd rather spend my 2500 minutes working on something like this, rather than out in the rain. On 10/25/05, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,Is there any news on the results of the competition?It has been a few weeks and unless I have missed something, it hasn't been mentioned for a while.Unfortunately the VoIP and SMS parts of my project are currently unavailable asI'm on holiday and didn't want to leave it running unattended and my computerhas a habit of over heating :-( On a different subject would anyone have any use for a TV Listings SOAP Service?I'm currently working on one to help integrate the different parts of myproject, but could make it available to other people. Have fun, I'm off for some Moroccan mint tea :-)Adam-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time
I'm pretty sure I goes for the majority of people here to say that we are always interested to hear ideas. Why not throw them into the discussion and see what happens? -- Chris Gilbert 07966 077 486 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5 Sep 2005, at 12:14, Luke Dicken wrote: I have some ideas for projects but no time to fulfill them, is there anyone out there who has time but no ideas? Luke -- Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho Marx - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time
In the interests of making the competition more inclusive for those that don't have either the knowledge or time to make a working prototype, perhaps for future competitions you might just ask for a single sided written proposal for a concept. Perhaps the prize could include having a prototype built? That way, once freed from the restriction of having to build the thing in their spare time, hopefully more people can enter and can come up with ideas a bit wilder and more imaginative than if they actually had to programme the bloomin' things! More inspiration, less perspiration. -Original Message- From: Chris Gilbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 September 2005 1:23 pm To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time I'm pretty sure I goes for the majority of people here to say that we are always interested to hear ideas. Why not throw them into the discussion and see what happens? -- Chris Gilbert 07966 077 486 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5 Sep 2005, at 12:14, Luke Dicken wrote: I have some ideas for projects but no time to fulfill them, is there anyone out there who has time but no ideas? Luke -- Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho Marx - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time
My background is fairly heavily AI-slanted so that's the sort of area I've been coming up with ideas. I think the best one I've had so far is to take the data and couple it with a Bayesian classification system. By using a reasonable set of training data (a previous week's listings for example) and a decent heuristic you should be able to create an AI system that can predictively suggest forthcoming programmes. You would also need some ancillary odds and sods like user tracking to cater on a per-person basis. With the basic system implemented the heuristic function could be tweaked to make it more accurate if necessary, the same base system could also be used with multiple functions - perhaps one could have a larger emphasis on timing than content etc. The coding for this most likely wouldn't be all that intense since its primarily mathematical, although storing the results of profiling would give it a reasonable amount of overhead (or would require a bit of ninja-ing) since you would be having to do a certain amount of natural language analysis on the data. I don't know about you guys, but something that highlighted programs I might be interested in would certainly be of benefit to me, saving me trawling through the listings. -- Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho Marx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbert Sent: 05 September 2005 13:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time I'm pretty sure I goes for the majority of people here to say that we are always interested to hear ideas. Why not throw them into the discussion and see what happens? -- Chris Gilbert 07966 077 486 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5 Sep 2005, at 12:14, Luke Dicken wrote: I have some ideas for projects but no time to fulfill them, is there anyone out there who has time but no ideas? Luke -- Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho Marx - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time
Luke, Wow, I was thinking of something along the lines of Bayesian filtering too! I was thinking that - if Bayesian filters can be trained to pick out spam, how about television programmes? Of course spam contains a lot more information - headers, formatting etc whereas you'd just have a title and a few sentences of description for each programme. The lines I was thinking along were marking certain programmes as favourites and the app will tell you if favourite programmes are coming up in the next week, and suggest different ones you might like. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luke Dicken Sent: 05 September 2005 2:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time My background is fairly heavily AI-slanted so that's the sort of area I've been coming up with ideas. I think the best one I've had so far is to take the data and couple it with a Bayesian classification system. By using a reasonable set of training data (a previous week's listings for example) and a decent heuristic you should be able to create an AI system that can predictively suggest forthcoming programmes. You would also need some ancillary odds and sods like user tracking to cater on a per-person basis. With the basic system implemented the heuristic function could be tweaked to make it more accurate if necessary, the same base system could also be used with multiple functions - perhaps one could have a larger emphasis on timing than content etc. The coding for this most likely wouldn't be all that intense since its primarily mathematical, although storing the results of profiling would give it a reasonable amount of overhead (or would require a bit of ninja-ing) since you would be having to do a certain amount of natural language analysis on the data. I don't know about you guys, but something that highlighted programs I might be interested in would certainly be of benefit to me, saving me trawling through the listings. -- Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho Marx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Gilbert Sent: 05 September 2005 13:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time I'm pretty sure I goes for the majority of people here to say that we are always interested to hear ideas. Why not throw them into the discussion and see what happens? -- Chris Gilbert 07966 077 486 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5 Sep 2005, at 12:14, Luke Dicken wrote: I have some ideas for projects but no time to fulfill them, is there anyone out there who has time but no ideas? Luke -- Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho Marx - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/05 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Competition - Google Maps and public sector data
All given the interesting things you've already demonstrated with Google Maps mash-ups, there may be some interest in the competition just announced over at Ideal Government (http://www.idealgovernment.com/index.php/weblog/mapping_foi_ideal_government_prize_competition_submit_entries_by_end_august/). I'm not sure whether BBC content would be considered within scope or not... Paul -- Dr Paul Miller Director, Common Information Environment e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +44 (7779) 669542 w: www.common-info.org.uk/ aim/ iChat/ Yahoo!: ciedirector Participate in the CIE Thoughts Blog at www.common-info.org.uk/thoughts/ Keep current with the CIE News Blog at www.common-info.org.uk/news/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
Re: [backstage] Competition - Google Maps and public sector data
Thanks Paul. Yes, BBC content definitely within scope. Any public-sector data in fact. Any queries to me. Also happy to carry any discussion about OS mapping data policy and what online maps means for e-enabled public services. Anyone can comment, and if anyone wants ot be an author in Ideal Government just email me and I'll kit you out with an author login. William Heath ___ William Heath, Kable, +44 7973 115024 www.idealgovernment.com www.kablenet.com Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk cc: Sent by:Subject: [backstage] Competition - Google Maps and public sector data [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.bbc.co.uk 17/07/05 21:53 Please respond to backstage All given the interesting things you've already demonstrated with Google Maps mash-ups, there may be some interest in the competition just announced over at Ideal Government (http://www.idealgovernment.com/index.php/weblog/mapping_foi_ideal_government_prize_competition_submit_entries_by_end_august/). I'm not sure whether BBC content would be considered within scope or not... Paul -- Dr Paul Miller Director, Common Information Environment e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +44 (7779) 669542 w: www.common-info.org.uk/ aim/ iChat/ Yahoo!: ciedirector Participate in the CIE Thoughts Blog at www.common-info.org.uk/thoughts/ Keep current with the CIE News Blog at www.common-info.org.uk/news/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
