Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Mo, Dave got the beebPlayer app working OK on Android. Until the BBC reversed the stated position and got it banned. Shouldn't be too hard... On 26 May 2010 23:35, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On 26-May-2010, at 23:11, Brian Butterworth wrote: Let's hope the same priority has been afforded to Android users. It was pointed out to me earlier today that Android has been “going to support Flash really soon” for quite a while now. While it should be a very simple change to serve up the iPhone version to Android phones alongside iPhones and iPod touches (it’s all WebKit, baseline H.264+AAC-LC, after all — though might be in a QuickTime container, can’t recall), I can’t help but wonder if it would complicate the BBC’s “strategic relationship” with Adobe if they were to do it. Not that I’m endorsing such a thing were it to be true, mind. Bloody stupid situation… M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
It isn't the doublespeak that bothers me, I can cope with that, I am used it it. It is the reversal in position without any public notification that I find distasteful. Web pages get deleted and the policy changes, but no public notification is made. On 27 May 2010 08:54, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On 27-May-2010, at 08:46, Brian Butterworth wrote: Mo, Dave got the beebPlayer app working OK on Android. Until the BBC reversed the stated position and got it banned. Shouldn't be too hard... Yeah, in BBC Doublespeak, as we all know, “not supported” actually means “prohibited, and we’ll take legal action if we have to”. For example: “stealing office stationery is not supported” “the BBC currently offers no support for talent wishing to swear like a navvy on-air” “punching presenters in the face is not a supported use-case for production staff” …this is the same world in which “content management” means “DRM”, and “TLD” stands for “top-level directory”, after all. I blame John Birt. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Was BeebPlayer actually banned by the BBC then? I was trying to get the story on why it suddenly vanished. What could the issue possibly be with it? On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Mo, Dave got the beebPlayer app working OK on Android. Until the BBC reversed the stated position and got it banned. Shouldn't be too hard... On 26 May 2010 23:35, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On 26-May-2010, at 23:11, Brian Butterworth wrote: Let's hope the same priority has been afforded to Android users. It was pointed out to me earlier today that Android has been “going to support Flash really soon” for quite a while now. While it should be a very simple change to serve up the iPhone version to Android phones alongside iPhones and iPod touches (it’s all WebKit, baseline H.264+AAC-LC, after all — though might be in a QuickTime container, can’t recall), I can’t help but wonder if it would complicate the BBC’s “strategic relationship” with Adobe if they were to do it. Not that I’m endorsing such a thing were it to be true, mind. Bloody stupid situation… M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Dave posted Awesome - looks like the Beeb have changed iPlayer enough to break beebPlayer once again.8:43 AM May 13thhttp://twitter.com/johnsto/status/13901166595 via Twitter for Android http://mobile.twitter.com/ from here http://maps.google.com/maps?q=51.4029042,0.0167886 and a very short note at http://davejohnston.posterous.com/?tag=beebplayer http://davejohnston.posterous.com/?tag=beebplayerMakes you wonder why the BBC bothered with backstage at all, doesn't it? On 27 May 2010 12:44, Iain Wallace ikwall...@gmail.com wrote: Was BeebPlayer actually banned by the BBC then? I was trying to get the story on why it suddenly vanished. What could the issue possibly be with it? On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Mo, Dave got the beebPlayer app working OK on Android. Until the BBC reversed the stated position and got it banned. Shouldn't be too hard... On 26 May 2010 23:35, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On 26-May-2010, at 23:11, Brian Butterworth wrote: Let's hope the same priority has been afforded to Android users. It was pointed out to me earlier today that Android has been “going to support Flash really soon” for quite a while now. While it should be a very simple change to serve up the iPhone version to Android phones alongside iPhones and iPod touches (it’s all WebKit, baseline H.264+AAC-LC, after all — though might be in a QuickTime container, can’t recall), I can’t help but wonder if it would complicate the BBC’s “strategic relationship” with Adobe if they were to do it. Not that I’m endorsing such a thing were it to be true, mind. Bloody stupid situation… M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
BBC have now enabled auto detection of iPad ... now presents the bigscreen version - but not on the beta iPlayer site. Paul On Thu, 27 May 2010 13:06:18 +0100, you wrote: Dave posted Awesome - looks like the Beeb have changed iPlayer enough to break beebPlayer once again.8:43 AM May 13thhttp://twitter.com/johnsto/status/13901166595 via Twitter for Android http://mobile.twitter.com/ from here http://maps.google.com/maps?q=51.4029042,0.0167886 and a very short note at http://davejohnston.posterous.com/?tag=beebplayer http://davejohnston.posterous.com/?tag=beebplayerMakes you wonder why the BBC bothered with backstage at all, doesn't it? On 27 May 2010 12:44, Iain Wallace ikwall...@gmail.com wrote: Was BeebPlayer actually banned by the BBC then? I was trying to get the story on why it suddenly vanished. What could the issue possibly be with it? On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Mo, Dave got the beebPlayer app working OK on Android. Until the BBC reversed the stated position and got it banned. Shouldn't be too hard... On 26 May 2010 23:35, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On 26-May-2010, at 23:11, Brian Butterworth wrote: Let's hope the same priority has been afforded to Android users. It was pointed out to me earlier today that Android has been going to support Flash really soon for quite a while now. While it should be a very simple change to serve up the iPhone version to Android phones alongside iPhones and iPod touches (its all WebKit, baseline H.264+AAC-LC, after all though might be in a QuickTime container, cant recall), I cant help but wonder if it would complicate the BBCs strategic relationship with Adobe if they were to do it. Not that Im endorsing such a thing were it to be true, mind. Bloody stupid situation M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Erik Huggers has been briefing today - and has said that iPlayer will be iPad friendly in time for UK iPad launch this Friday. Telegraph article interprets it wrongly I think (saying that it is a downloadable app) - but anyway - principle is clear. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7768352/BBC-iPlayer-coming-to-Apple-iPad.html Paul On Thu, 20 May 2010 13:05:08 +0100, you wrote: Already described below is a way to have it work on iPad. I am not requesting that iPad gets access to any more content (or any better views) than iPhone. Maybe, in the meantime, BBC could add that workaround to a FAQ that people could be directed to. If the volume of sales justifies further investigation by BBC then fine - but right now the default experience is rubbish if anyone is trying to get any audio or video. Paul On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:26:33 +0100, you wrote: It's actually incredibly easy to get the iPlayer working on the iPad via safari. Additionally the video source is fully compatible with HTML5 video containers. So long as you ensure that requests come from iphone marked devices you can get Safari to work with it perfectly and indeed present HTML5 video containers with iPlayer video streams. The problem for a legit version is that they will a) have to buy some iPads then b) write a larger screen mobile version c) test it, make change and release I wouldn't bank on anything coming soon, corporate oil tanker :) Additionally, AFAIK not all videos are available for the iPhone so it's not a question of making a small shift to the main iPlayer website. http://img31.imageshack.us/i/ipadkg.jpg/ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Webster Sent: 20 May 2010 10:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer Can someone from BBC persuade someone else in BBC with the right powers to make a statement on this? FYI Apple have now enabled access to UK AppStore for iPad users Paul On Tue, 11 May 2010 08:33:03 +0100, you wrote: While the method below is still working fine - it remains a bit of a pain to use. Any chance that someone in BBC could make the change that I suggested nearly a month ago - namely to add the iPad as an alias for the iPhone (user-agent strings below). If BBC makes special format for iPad in the future then fine ... simply remove the alias at that point. Paul Webster On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:34:42 +0100, you wrote: Ah - good idea. I guess that means that the Apple webkit is statically linked - so it picks up the iPhone version. Just tried it by using the iPhone Facebook app - and became a fan of one of the BBC iPlayer pages ... which has a link in the info section. Worked well. Paul On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:11:26 +0100, you wrote: If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Let's hope the same priority has been afforded to Android users. On 26 May 2010 22:21, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: Erik Huggers has been briefing today - and has said that iPlayer will be iPad friendly in time for UK iPad launch this Friday. Telegraph article interprets it wrongly I think (saying that it is a downloadable app) - but anyway - principle is clear. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7768352/BBC-iPlayer-coming-to-Apple-iPad.html Paul On Thu, 20 May 2010 13:05:08 +0100, you wrote: Already described below is a way to have it work on iPad. I am not requesting that iPad gets access to any more content (or any better views) than iPhone. Maybe, in the meantime, BBC could add that workaround to a FAQ that people could be directed to. If the volume of sales justifies further investigation by BBC then fine - but right now the default experience is rubbish if anyone is trying to get any audio or video. Paul On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:26:33 +0100, you wrote: It's actually incredibly easy to get the iPlayer working on the iPad via safari. Additionally the video source is fully compatible with HTML5 video containers. So long as you ensure that requests come from iphone marked devices you can get Safari to work with it perfectly and indeed present HTML5 video containers with iPlayer video streams. The problem for a legit version is that they will a) have to buy some iPads then b) write a larger screen mobile version c) test it, make change and release I wouldn't bank on anything coming soon, corporate oil tanker :) Additionally, AFAIK not all videos are available for the iPhone so it's not a question of making a small shift to the main iPlayer website. http://img31.imageshack.us/i/ipadkg.jpg/ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Webster Sent: 20 May 2010 10:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer Can someone from BBC persuade someone else in BBC with the right powers to make a statement on this? FYI Apple have now enabled access to UK AppStore for iPad users Paul On Tue, 11 May 2010 08:33:03 +0100, you wrote: While the method below is still working fine - it remains a bit of a pain to use. Any chance that someone in BBC could make the change that I suggested nearly a month ago - namely to add the iPad as an alias for the iPhone (user-agent strings below). If BBC makes special format for iPad in the future then fine ... simply remove the alias at that point. Paul Webster On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:34:42 +0100, you wrote: Ah - good idea. I guess that means that the Apple webkit is statically linked - so it picks up the iPhone version. Just tried it by using the iPhone Facebook app - and became a fan of one of the BBC iPlayer pages ... which has a link in the info section. Worked well. Paul On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:11:26 +0100, you wrote: If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Can someone from BBC persuade someone else in BBC with the right powers to make a statement on this? FYI Apple have now enabled access to UK AppStore for iPad users Paul On Tue, 11 May 2010 08:33:03 +0100, you wrote: While the method below is still working fine - it remains a bit of a pain to use. Any chance that someone in BBC could make the change that I suggested nearly a month ago - namely to add the iPad as an alias for the iPhone (user-agent strings below). If BBC makes special format for iPad in the future then fine ... simply remove the alias at that point. Paul Webster On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:34:42 +0100, you wrote: Ah - good idea. I guess that means that the Apple webkit is statically linked - so it picks up the iPhone version. Just tried it by using the iPhone Facebook app - and became a fan of one of the BBC iPlayer pages ... which has a link in the info section. Worked well. Paul On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:11:26 +0100, you wrote: If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
It's actually incredibly easy to get the iPlayer working on the iPad via safari. Additionally the video source is fully compatible with HTML5 video containers. So long as you ensure that requests come from iphone marked devices you can get Safari to work with it perfectly and indeed present HTML5 video containers with iPlayer video streams. The problem for a legit version is that they will a) have to buy some iPads then b) write a larger screen mobile version c) test it, make change and release I wouldn't bank on anything coming soon, corporate oil tanker :) Additionally, AFAIK not all videos are available for the iPhone so it's not a question of making a small shift to the main iPlayer website. http://img31.imageshack.us/i/ipadkg.jpg/ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Webster Sent: 20 May 2010 10:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer Can someone from BBC persuade someone else in BBC with the right powers to make a statement on this? FYI Apple have now enabled access to UK AppStore for iPad users Paul On Tue, 11 May 2010 08:33:03 +0100, you wrote: While the method below is still working fine - it remains a bit of a pain to use. Any chance that someone in BBC could make the change that I suggested nearly a month ago - namely to add the iPad as an alias for the iPhone (user-agent strings below). If BBC makes special format for iPad in the future then fine ... simply remove the alias at that point. Paul Webster On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:34:42 +0100, you wrote: Ah - good idea. I guess that means that the Apple webkit is statically linked - so it picks up the iPhone version. Just tried it by using the iPhone Facebook app - and became a fan of one of the BBC iPlayer pages ... which has a link in the info section. Worked well. Paul On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:11:26 +0100, you wrote: If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Already described below is a way to have it work on iPad. I am not requesting that iPad gets access to any more content (or any better views) than iPhone. Maybe, in the meantime, BBC could add that workaround to a FAQ that people could be directed to. If the volume of sales justifies further investigation by BBC then fine - but right now the default experience is rubbish if anyone is trying to get any audio or video. Paul On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:26:33 +0100, you wrote: It's actually incredibly easy to get the iPlayer working on the iPad via safari. Additionally the video source is fully compatible with HTML5 video containers. So long as you ensure that requests come from iphone marked devices you can get Safari to work with it perfectly and indeed present HTML5 video containers with iPlayer video streams. The problem for a legit version is that they will a) have to buy some iPads then b) write a larger screen mobile version c) test it, make change and release I wouldn't bank on anything coming soon, corporate oil tanker :) Additionally, AFAIK not all videos are available for the iPhone so it's not a question of making a small shift to the main iPlayer website. http://img31.imageshack.us/i/ipadkg.jpg/ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Webster Sent: 20 May 2010 10:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer Can someone from BBC persuade someone else in BBC with the right powers to make a statement on this? FYI Apple have now enabled access to UK AppStore for iPad users Paul On Tue, 11 May 2010 08:33:03 +0100, you wrote: While the method below is still working fine - it remains a bit of a pain to use. Any chance that someone in BBC could make the change that I suggested nearly a month ago - namely to add the iPad as an alias for the iPhone (user-agent strings below). If BBC makes special format for iPad in the future then fine ... simply remove the alias at that point. Paul Webster On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:34:42 +0100, you wrote: Ah - good idea. I guess that means that the Apple webkit is statically linked - so it picks up the iPhone version. Just tried it by using the iPhone Facebook app - and became a fan of one of the BBC iPlayer pages ... which has a link in the info section. Worked well. Paul On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:11:26 +0100, you wrote: If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
While the method below is still working fine - it remains a bit of a pain to use. Any chance that someone in BBC could make the change that I suggested nearly a month ago - namely to add the iPad as an alias for the iPhone (user-agent strings below). If BBC makes special format for iPad in the future then fine ... simply remove the alias at that point. Paul Webster On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:34:42 +0100, you wrote: Ah - good idea. I guess that means that the Apple webkit is statically linked - so it picks up the iPhone version. Just tried it by using the iPhone Facebook app - and became a fan of one of the BBC iPlayer pages ... which has a link in the info section. Worked well. Paul On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:11:26 +0100, you wrote: If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
I thought a device had to have a reasonable UK market share before the BBC supported it? On 15 April 2010 12:33, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
You must mean column inches On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: I thought a device had to have a reasonable UK market share before the BBC supported it? On 15 April 2010 12:33, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Paul Webster wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Personally, I would argue strongly against this on competition grounds. The BBC should not be in the business of promoting any one vendor who choses not to install flash on their platform for their own internal reasons. Iplayer 'works' on my platform. Well - to the extent of 3 frames a second with a following wind, and the video not keeping up with the audio. In a sane player - not flash - the content plays smoothly, and can output flawless video to a TV even. get_iplayer - and friends were very useful in the past. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 15-Apr-2010, at 12:54, Brian Butterworth wrote: I thought a device had to have a reasonable UK market share before the BBC supported it? I’m not convinced that “rule” is applied remotely consistently, in either direction. M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Personally, I would argue strongly against this on competition grounds. The BBC should not be in the business of promoting any one vendor who choses not to install flash on their platform for their own internal reasons. Iplayer 'works' on my platform. Well - to the extent of 3 frames a second with a following wind, and the video not keeping up with the audio. In a sane player - not flash - the content plays smoothly, and can output flawless video to a TV even. get_iplayer - and friends were very useful in the past. I think you're confused. When Linux people say they don't want Flash then that's crazy hippy talk and can safely be ignored. When Apple says they don't want Flash then that's a bold design statement about the quality of content delivery on their platform and should be applauded. I hope that clears it up for you. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 15-Apr-2010, at 13:00, Ian Stirling wrote: Personally, I would argue strongly against this on competition grounds. That makes no sense. How is *extending* the user-agent whitelist bad for competition? The BBC should not be in the business of promoting any one vendor who choses not to install flash on their platform for their own internal reasons. So it should drop the Wii, PS3, Freesat and Nokia implementations? More to the point, how is it *promoting* anything? I dislike the fact that iPlayer is reliant upon a blessed Flash implementation unless you’re using one of the very narrow set of supported alternative devices, but this is no means of going about getting that changed… - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 15 April 2010 14:10, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: this is no means of going about getting that changed… What do you suggest? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Ah - good idea. I guess that means that the Apple webkit is statically linked - so it picks up the iPhone version. Just tried it by using the iPhone Facebook app - and became a fan of one of the BBC iPlayer pages ... which has a link in the info section. Worked well. Paul On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:11:26 +0100, you wrote: If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
